Adam Silver talks load management, calls out Spurs executive

[Yuri Vaultin]

Pathetic.
Wanna fix the game and the fan experience?
Get competent, unbiased refs then we can talk.
Space out the games better, then we can talk.
Penalize Presti like you did Hinkie, then we can talk.
The NBA is okay with rest as long as you lie about "injuries" instead of being honest. They really think their fanbase are unfathomably stupid.

[Ballerhogger]

Tanking & load management = RS does not mean a thing.

so when they put in mid season tournament will players care more or less?

[RamonSessions7]

NBA ownership PR man realizes the downside of the meaninglessness of single games of an 82 game season but doesn’t want it to impact the amount of money crowds will pay to watch the meaningless regular season game

[Papi_swav]

wow this is a low blow. Honestly there is literally nothing anybody can say wrong about the Spurs organization, they did everything the right way. Maybe they did start it but Duncan needed that rest, he was old and can't expect him to play 38 mins every game. They also drafted well and used the most out of their depth. Tony Parker and Ginobili was also getting old and they figured out a way to keep them fresh.

And even if they did do this, I think they're probably the only team that deserves this. These guys had DEEP playoff runs for many many years, decades even. They played alot more than most other teams. I don't like this one at all, this don't sit right.

[maradro]

At least the Spurs were always honest about it and said they needed the rest so 'fine us'.

None of these fake injuries that most other teams have stated.

Well, the injuries aren't always fake persay, they just don't actually require having to sit, they are playable injuries.

They are a response to the fines for rest. There's no need to be defensive about it as Spurs fans, Spurs were trend setters, that's something to be proud of.

If one of the best most successful organization decides to rest player maybe instead of blaming them you take heed. The season is too long for the amount of specialization and off season training it now takes to be a top level NBA player. And quite frankly the vast majority of the fan base can't realistically consume the entire 82 +games a year of their on favorite team.

They were successful because they had Tim Duncan and all the way through year 14 year of his career he was playing 75+ games a season.

They were managing his minutes just like all old stars get managed. It was Kawhi who really took load management to the next level and started wanting random "sick days". This load management is like remote work, it doesn't work in all cases......

They did start management of his minutes well before he was "old". By 04-05 at 28 years old, he was playing 33 mpg when the league had 25+ guys playing ~38+ mpg. For example, KG his contemporary PF played 38 mpg that season and 39 mpg the next two seasons.

04-05/06-07, Duncan played 9811 minutes to KG's 9073.

When kg went to boston and got a team around him and started making playoff runs, he immediately went down to 32.8 per game



Would have loved for silver to be this worried about the spurs load management when kawhi was playing hide and seek for an entire season.. through that whole ordeal we heard about how the mean spurs were forcing kawhi to play, rather odd since a) he didn't play and b) we are the inventors of load management, and yes it started well before 2010s and is directly tied to the deep runs the team made from the early 2000s and protecting the health of our stars

[og15]

At least the Spurs were always honest about it and said they needed the rest so 'fine us'.

None of these fake injuries that most other teams have stated.

Well, the injuries aren't always fake persay, they just don't actually require having to sit, they are playable injuries.

They are a response to the fines for rest. There's no need to be defensive about it as Spurs fans, Spurs were trend setters, that's something to be proud of.

They were successful because they had Tim Duncan and all the way through year 14 year of his career he was playing 75+ games a season.

They were managing his minutes just like all old stars get managed. It was Kawhi who really took load management to the next level and started wanting random "sick days". This load management is like remote work, it doesn't work in all cases......

They did start management of his minutes well before he was "old". By 04-05 at 28 years old, he was playing 33 mpg when the league had 25+ guys playing ~38+ mpg. For example, KG his contemporary PF played 38 mpg that season and 39 mpg the next two seasons.

04-05/06-07, Duncan played 9811 minutes to KG's 9073.

When kg went to boston and got a team around him and started making playoff runs, he immediately went down to 32.8 per game



Would have loved for silver to be this worried about the spurs load management when kawhi was playing hide and seek for an entire season.. through that whole ordeal we heard about how the mean spurs were forcing kawhi to play, rather odd since a) he didn't play and b) we are the inventors of load management, and yes it started well before 2010s and is directly tied to the deep runs the team made from the early 2000s and protecting the health of our stars

The poster I responded to said they were managing him the same way all old stars get managed, I responded saying they were already managing his minutes in his late 20's, well before he was old. Duncan was in year 8 in 04-05 and played 11 more seasons, he was not an old star.

Nothing you said contradicts what I said. Yea, the Spurs played a lot into the post-season and they were smart to limit their guys minutes as much as they were capable of doing so. Not everyone had the thought to do the same thing.

KG's minutes were also decreased because of knee issues IIRC. In 07-08 and 08-09, Pierce was still playing 36-37 mpg and Allen at 36 mpg, but certainly being on a better team also allows you to play less.

[Bornstellar]

wow this is a low blow. Honestly there is literally nothing anybody can say wrong about the Spurs organization, they did everything the right way. Maybe they did start it but Duncan needed that rest, he was old and can't expect him to play 38 mins every game. They also drafted well and used the most out of their depth. Tony Parker and Ginobili was also getting old and they figured out a way to keep them fresh.

And even if they did do this, I think they're probably the only team that deserves this. These guys had DEEP playoff runs for many many years, decades even. They played alot more than most other teams. I don't like this one at all, this don't sit right.

Exactly...Silver acts like SA was doing this in 2005 when Tim/Manu/TP were all under 30. They didn't start routinely resting older guys until the 2010s when they were older

[stillgotgame]

Easy fix for this and every other problem in the NBA: every game has a payout.
If you win the team banks a $1M, if you lose the game you lose $1M. Have it go into a pot and at the end of the year divide it up. A 61-21 team banks an additional $40M and has to share a percentage with the players. A 26-56 team loses $30M.

Problem solved. No tanking, no rest days. Never anything but trying to win every game, like it’s supposed to be.

[maradro]

Well, the injuries aren't always fake persay, they just don't actually require having to sit, they are playable injuries.

They are a response to the fines for rest. There's no need to be defensive about it as Spurs fans, Spurs were trend setters, that's something to be proud of.



They did start management of his minutes well before he was "old". By 04-05 at 28 years old, he was playing 33 mpg when the league had 25+ guys playing ~38+ mpg. For example, KG his contemporary PF played 38 mpg that season and 39 mpg the next two seasons.

04-05/06-07, Duncan played 9811 minutes to KG's 9073.

When kg went to boston and got a team around him and started making playoff runs, he immediately went down to 32.8 per game



Would have loved for silver to be this worried about the spurs load management when kawhi was playing hide and seek for an entire season.. through that whole ordeal we heard about how the mean spurs were forcing kawhi to play, rather odd since a) he didn't play and b) we are the inventors of load management, and yes it started well before 2010s and is directly tied to the deep runs the team made from the early 2000s and protecting the health of our stars

The poster I responded to said they were managing him the same way all old stars get managed, I responded saying they were already managing his minutes in his late 20's, well before he was old. Duncan was in year 8 in 04-05 and played 11 more seasons, he was not an old star.

Nothing you said contradicts what I said. Yea, the Spurs played a lot into the post-season and they were smart to limit their guys minutes as much as they were capable of doing so. Not everyone had the thought to do the same thing.

KG's minutes were also decreased because of knee issues IIRC. In 07-08 and 08-09, Pierce was still playing 36-37 mpg and Allen at 36 mpg, but certainly being on a better team also allows you to play less.

Not trying to contradict you, just showing that spurs still played more minutes due to the playoff runs. Duncan has more career minutes than kg despite coming in two years older.. clearly the way the spurs handled his minutes helped him, and there's a pretty clear correlation with his 2001 knee surgery/ mid 2000s plantar fasciitis and ankle issues.

[Frank Dux]

He’s absolutely right. All these guys making $50m a year have an obligation to show up for the fans if they’re healthy.