The Knicks have won 9 in a row!

[Capn'O]

lol so we moved goal posts from 2019 raptors and 2021 bucks to some other random years at some other points. not every 26 year old non all star player is going to end up a lowry or holiday, good wish though.

i guess beasley family will be proud when malik makes it to hall of fame.

Well he's having a better season than 2019 Lowry too

In any event, no. We're not arguing if the Knicks have a championship roster right now. The assertion you made is that the Knicks don't have any players who could be core players on a championship team. We've identified one player who at the same relative point in his career is ahead of players who were core players on their championship teams. He's putting up all star numbers and having an all star impact on his team right now. At a younger age than Lowry did.

And the conversation could continue even further. Quentin Grimes is substantially ahead of where Danny Green was at the same points in their careers, for example

when lowry was a core player for a championship team he was much more accomplished than brunson is. lowry being a late bloomer plays no part in brunson's projection, in fact lowry is one of the few outliers out of thousands of nba players that had such a late career trajectory. putting your hopes on brunson becoming a lowry one day is, well, like putting your hopes on james dolan owned franchise to win a nba title lol.

Nah, he just played next to Kawhi.

Brunson's on that same curve. Productive bench player to starter to all star impact. Just ahead of schedule

[El Turco]

Or he is just mike james, we'll see..

[cgf]

Or he is just mike james, we'll see..

[NY2k1]

middling teams gonna middle


they dont have any players that would be a core player for a contender, it is just collection of role players. they need to get lucky in the draft or find a way to package their picks for couple of disgruntled stars.

Not even the guy who was the 2nd best player on a contender just last year? Damn.

not even. being the 2nd best player on mavs is like being the smartest sorority sister at arizona state.

and even they obviously didnt see him as a capable core player in a contending team long term.

Except Brunson wanted to come to the Knicks. The Mavs tried to get him back lol. If you're gonna spew nonsense, at least make sure it's somewhat correct

The Mavs still wish they had him, btw. Same with him and KP.

[Kittles02]

I like how you guys care about the Nets. Because the city of New York really doesn't. I never hear anyone talk about the Nets. Time for that team to relocate to Las Vegas or something. I heard they want a team.

Oh you the spokesperson for the city now? Lol

Yes. But how have the Nets played in New York for over 10 years now and are dead last in ticket sales? All while you have the superstars.

Do you need a spokesperson to explain that for you?

Correction dead last in season ticket sales because season ticket holder didn't know if KD was coming back or not. Nets are 15th in attendance this season. Being top 10 in attendance aint netting yal any superstars.

[RHODEY]

Oh you the spokesperson for the city now? Lol

Yes. But how have the Nets played in New York for over 10 years now and are dead last in ticket sales? All while you have the superstars.

Do you need a spokesperson to explain that for you?

Correction dead last in season ticket sales because season ticket holder didn't know if KD was coming back or not. Nets are 15th in attendance this season. Being top 10 in attendance aint netting yal any superstars.

Keep your old impotent superstars.

[Kittles02]

Yes. But how have the Nets played in New York for over 10 years now and are dead last in ticket sales? All while you have the superstars.

Do you need a spokesperson to explain that for you?

Correction dead last in season ticket sales because season ticket holder didn't know if KD was coming back or not. Nets are 15th in attendance this season. Being top 10 in attendance aint netting yal any superstars.

Keep your old impotent superstars.

Lol the ones yal were drooling over a few yrs ago?

[knicksNOTslick]

Oh you the spokesperson for the city now? Lol

Yes. But how have the Nets played in New York for over 10 years now and are dead last in ticket sales? All while you have the superstars.

Do you need a spokesperson to explain that for you?

Correction dead last in season ticket sales because season ticket holder didn't know if KD was coming back or not. Nets are 15th in attendance this season. Being top 10 in attendance aint netting yal any superstars.

So I'm still right that nobody talks about the Nets in New York? Or do you need a spokesperson for that?

[ibraheim718]

Or he is just mike james, we'll see..

Oh I get it.. you're a comedian.

[ibraheim718]

Who would argue such a thing? Strange.. like it's almost personal.

[Scalabrine]

their value is being role players, and role players dont contend without a first or in most cases a second option. in a conference where 10 out of 15 teams make the playoffs and handful of teams tank, congrats you might beat out magic's barely drinking age or pistons' bonefide g-league group.

and point keeps flying over your head, no team in the league, even a bad otherwise talentless team like mavs were desperate enough to offer him a large enough contract and keep him as a 2nd option. not that being a bad front office precludes them from making a single good decision.

Woah woah woah. We're not gotta call the play-in the playoffs. We're just not.

and I'm having trouble understanding the exact point youre trying to make here. Are you saying that no other team would have given Jalen Brunson the contract that the Knicks gave him? Cause if that's what youre saying then I'm pretty positive youre wrong. The Mavs are one team that definitely would have, they just never got a chance.

mavs offered him 4/94? contenders pay their core players 30mil+ see murray, ingram, wiggins etc. obviously mavs didnt value him as a 2nd or 3rd option in a contending team otherwise he would have gotten a better contract from the mavs than the one he got from knicks. he wasnt going to refuse 120+ million contract from mavs to go to knicks for 100 mil. neither any other contending team would pay him 30mil.

yeah i am lying brunson is a star, he ll show me when he is a finals mvp lol

The Mavs offered him the maximum that they could offer him. Once he hit free agency he didn't owe them anything and clearly he wanted to go to the Knicks. I haven't seen a single person here arguing that Brunson is superstar, dude. He's a borderline All-Star level player. A good 2nd option and a very good 3rd option. Is anyone saying that Brunson is more than that?!

[Moose]

Correction dead last in season ticket sales because season ticket holder didn't know if KD was coming back or not. Nets are 15th in attendance this season. Being top 10 in attendance aint netting yal any superstars.

Keep your old impotent superstars.

Lol the ones yal were drooling over a few yrs ago?

I'm not defending the other guy, but next time you might want to focus on the words "old" and "few yrs ago" before hitting submit.

[NYKnickerbocker]

So many wasted keystrokes in this thread

[Scalabrine]

As a chicago based Knicks fan whose best friend is a huge bulls fan and adopted the TimberBulls as her second team while Thibs was there, I know Thibs has his limitations and at some point, I hope we'll be able to do better...but I've also watched Thibs coach for long enough to notice that he has changed and seems to have learned some things from his failure in Minnesota.


On top of being much more amenable to modern offensive concepts, using a softer touch with more-mercurial kids, and showing a willingness to experiment with unusual lineups in a way that the old thibs never had...like using Randle as a smallball 5 or Toppin as a Jumbo 3, to get them on the court together...Thibs has also been playing our kids consistently since he arrived in NY.

RJ & Robinson were immediate starters; Quickley and Grimes both earned significant roles as rookies, with Grimes even becoming a starter before he got hurt last year; Sims was allowed to push Thibs' bff Taj Gibson out of the NBA over the course of his rookie year despite being a raw 2nd round pick; he stuck with Toppin even when Obi looked full-deer-in-the-headlights as well as the Obi-Julius lineups he's played around with...Thibs even gave Knox & Reddish fair chances to learn on the job & show growth, trying to work with both of those airheads.

He doesn't rush kids into roles that they're not ready to succeed in and only started regularly playing Deuce McBride after the recent rotation shake-up, but if we're going to crucify Thibs for not rushing to give a 2nd-year SRP minutes ahead of Rose, Reddish, & Fournier; then we're holding Thibs to some pretty unrealistic standards.


The offense is still not very cutting-edge, despite his increased focus on 3pters & transition buckets, the defensive gives up too many 3s, and he still plays Randle & Barrett too much...but that doesn't mean that he hasn't changed or learned from his previous stops and that all of the old criticisms of him are still applicable.

Thank you. This guy acts like we have had such better experiences over the past 20 years. He's easily the best coach we've had and the results speak for themselves at this point.

Do y'all rank him higher than Mike Dantoni?

If we're comparing just their Knicks tenures then I don't think it's even close. D'Antoni got the most out of his role players but never found a way to use Melo. His record was 120-168 as a Knicks coach. .416 winning percentage. Thibs has gone 95-89 in his 2+ seasons and in my opinion has had much less talent over that time.

[Kittles02]

Yes. But how have the Nets played in New York for over 10 years now and are dead last in ticket sales? All while you have the superstars.

Do you need a spokesperson to explain that for you?

Correction dead last in season ticket sales because season ticket holder didn't know if KD was coming back or not. Nets are 15th in attendance this season. Being top 10 in attendance aint netting yal any superstars.

So I'm still right that nobody talks about the Nets in New York? Or do you need a spokesperson for that?

You're not that's just your opinion. But hey carry on.

[OrangeBlueSkies]

Yes. But how have the Nets played in New York for over 10 years now and are dead last in ticket sales? All while you have the superstars.

Do you need a spokesperson to explain that for you?

Correction dead last in season ticket sales because season ticket holder didn't know if KD was coming back or not. Nets are 15th in attendance this season. Being top 10 in attendance aint netting yal any superstars.

So I'm still right that nobody talks about the Nets in New York? Or do you need a spokesperson for that?

You my friend, stand corrected

[MaxZaslofskyJr]

Nets played in New York for over 10 years now and are dead last in ticket sales?

You know what the real deal is though? The Nets will continue to sell more tickets....

Spoiler:

... than the Knicks in the playoffs. That's because Brooklyn will continue to go further than that team from Madison Square Garden. We both know that. It's what really, really hurts Knick fans

[RHODEY]

Correction dead last in season ticket sales because season ticket holder didn't know if KD was coming back or not. Nets are 15th in attendance this season. Being top 10 in attendance aint netting yal any superstars.

Keep your old impotent superstars.

Lol the ones yal were drooling over a few yrs ago?

Like the ones that asked to be traded before they threw your coach under the bus...when they weren't quite as old.

[omerome]

Nets played in New York for over 10 years now and are dead last in ticket sales?

You know what the real deal is though? The Nets will continue to sell more tickets....

Spoiler:

... than the Knicks in the playoffs. That's because Brooklyn will continue to go further than that team from Madison Square Garden. We both know that. It's what really, really hurts Knick fans

Well, they won the same amount of games as the Knicks did last year in the playoffs. And that's with the star power the Knicks lack.

[RHODEY]

Nets played in New York for over 10 years now and are dead last in ticket sales?

You know what the real deal is though? The Nets will continue to sell more tickets....

Spoiler:

... than the Knicks in the playoffs. That's because Brooklyn will continue to go further than that team from Madison Square Garden. We both know that. It's what really, really hurts Knick fans

Spoiler: