LeBron having this kind of season at his age is pretty damn special

[Gusto1903]

Do points in the post season count towards the 38k?

[levon]

Do points in the post season count towards the 38k?

No, which is odd. LeBron's already scored the most total points, counting for the postseason.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-points-in-nba-history-regular-season-and-playoffs

[dcstanley]

Right It's just amusing how a lot posters hate LeBron for what he's doing now instead of appreciate this kind of greatness after playing almost 65,000 minutes in NBA, Played 50 Playoffs Series and won 39 of them while still having the time and represent USA for 3 Olympics and won gold medals. Some will call him stat-padder without realizing that he actually had a shot to add another scoring title last year if he played 4 more games or so to qualify but decided not play those meaningless games. Maybe that's understandable, after all he destroyed 39 title aspirations in Playoffs so you will get a lot of hate from the fans of those teams.

Well if you pay attention you get lebron stans who say Jordan quit twice but they are cool with james forming superteams lol. Fact is Jordan quit/retired twice and James formed superteams. They both happened. Cant ignore one.

One 3 peated for the franchise that drafted them while the other joined other teams and still couldn't 3 peat and had a guy in his own era who beat him 3 times with as many titles as him in less seasons.

Jordan is 1-5 against Isaiah and Bird. He had to wait for them to fall off so his super team could feast on weak competition.

[RRR3]

Since AD went down, the Lakers are 9-7 when LeBron plays. This is despite his best teammate in those games generally being Austin Reaves, the corpse of Russell Westbrook or Thomas Bryant. If you can't appreciate how great this guy is at 38, you honestly suck.

[Dr Aki]

It's official

Lebron's has been grabbing so many rebounds this season, Lebron's career averages now round to 27/8/7

[Vox Populi]

Since AD went down, the Lakers are 9-7 when LeBron plays. This is despite his best teammate in those games generally being Austin Reaves, the corpse of Russell Westbrook or Thomas Bryant. If you can't appreciate how great this guy is at 38, you honestly suck.

The aforementioned Thomas Bryant just dropped 31 points on the Trailblazers.

Watch on YouTube

;t

[RRR3]

Since AD went down, the Lakers are 9-7 when LeBron plays. This is despite his best teammate in those games generally being Austin Reaves, the corpse of Russell Westbrook or Thomas Bryant. If you can't appreciate how great this guy is at 38, you honestly suck.

The aforementioned Thomas Bryant just dropped 31 points on the Trailblazers.

Watch on YouTube

;t

Enes Kanter could put up games like this too, what's your point? He's a good scorer no doubt but it's cancelled out by his worst in the league defense.

[Vox Populi]

Since AD went down, the Lakers are 9-7 when LeBron plays. This is despite his best teammate in those games generally being Austin Reaves, the corpse of Russell Westbrook or Thomas Bryant. If you can't appreciate how great this guy is at 38, you honestly suck.

The aforementioned Thomas Bryant just dropped 31 points on the Trailblazers.

Watch on YouTube

;t

Enes Kanter could put up games like this too, what's your point? He's a good scorer no doubt but it's cancelled out by his worst in the league defense.

The point is, I think we may need to end up discounting a quarter to a third (1/4th to 1/3rd) of the counting stats for players from today. To account for the context of it being easier to score today and make fairer comparisons between them and players from years gone by. Like if someone was averaging 30 PPG today, would it be fair to ask if they might only be averaging 20-22.5 PPG in the 1990s?

[RRR3]

Bryant's offensive stats are legitimate, he's quite skilled on that end. If he could play good defense he'd be a very valuable player.

[lambchop]

The aforementioned Thomas Bryant just dropped 31 points on the Trailblazers.

Watch on YouTube

;t

Enes Kanter could put up games like this too, what's your point? He's a good scorer no doubt but it's cancelled out by his worst in the league defense.

The point is, I think we may need to end up discounting a quarter to a third (1/4th to 1/3rd) of the counting stats for players from today. To account for the context of it being easier to score today and make fairer comparisons between them and players from years gone by. Like if someone was averaging 30 PPG today, would it be fair to ask if they might only be averaging 20-22.5 PPG in the 1990s?

Role players have been scoring 30 points for years. Give any pro player enough shots and minutes and he will drop 30 points sooner or later. Even Mozgov had 28 points in a finals game in 2015. Daniel Gibson dropped 31 points in the 2007 playoffs. Does that mean that we should discount points for players from 2007 to now just because some role players had impressive games at some point in their careers?

[Vox Populi]

Enes Kanter could put up games like this too, what's your point? He's a good scorer no doubt but it's cancelled out by his worst in the league defense.

The point is, I think we may need to end up discounting a quarter to a third (1/4th to 1/3rd) of the counting stats for players from today. To account for the context of it being easier to score today and make fairer comparisons between them and players from years gone by. Like if someone was averaging 30 PPG today, would it be fair to ask if they might only be averaging 20-22.5 PPG in the 1990s?

Role players have been scoring 30 points for years. Give any pro player enough shots and minutes and he will drop 30 points sooner or later. Even Mozgov had 28 points in a finals game in 2015. Daniel Gibson dropped 31 points in the 2007 playoffs. Does that mean that we should discount points for players from 2007 to now just because some role players had impressive games at some point in their careers?

I guess it would be a fair question to ask about 2007, if more role players like Daniel Gibson dropped 31 points then instead of it being an anomaly. Do you think Saddiq Bey could have dropped 50 points in 2007?

[lambchop]

The point is, I think we may need to end up discounting a quarter to a third (1/4th to 1/3rd) of the counting stats for players from today. To account for the context of it being easier to score today and make fairer comparisons between them and players from years gone by. Like if someone was averaging 30 PPG today, would it be fair to ask if they might only be averaging 20-22.5 PPG in the 1990s?

Role players have been scoring 30 points for years. Give any pro player enough shots and minutes and he will drop 30 points sooner or later. Even Mozgov had 28 points in a finals game in 2015. Daniel Gibson dropped 31 points in the 2007 playoffs. Does that mean that we should discount points for players from 2007 to now just because some role players had impressive games at some point in their careers?

I guess it would be a fair question to ask about 2007, if more role players like Daniel Gibson dropped 31 points then instead of it being an anomaly. Do you think Saddiq Bey could have dropped 50 points in 2007?

Bey scored 10 threes, many of which were early in the shot clock, transition threes. He also had falling out of bounds and a couple of jab step threes, along with a jab step mid range shot and some layups. He could pull that off in any era that involves the three point line. And if he were able to do it consistently, he would be a bonafide star in this league.

However, the bucket that he scores at the 2:20 mark in the video wouldn't be possible in 2007 cause that was purely a result of spacing cause the defenders had to respect those shooters which left the lane wide open. Just imagine Shaq feasting on that lol.

Watch on YouTube

[AussieRules]

Not a fan of the guy at all, but, LeBron has a line of 29.6/8.4/7.0 this year. If you don't think that's special for a player in his age 38 season, I don't know what else to say.

Others, at 38:

Kareem: 23.4/6.1/3.5
Jordan: 22.9/5.7/5.2
Malone: 22.4/8.6/4.3

Those are the only players in history to average at least 15 PPG in their age 38 season. LeBron is averaging 29.6 ppg!!

It’s easier to score in today’s nba. Also he is allowed to carry, travel, bully his way to the basket with impunity. His team is still bottom 3rd in the west. now averaging those gaudy numbers and still be losing is impressive, I’ll give you that

His team is 5 games away from the 3rd seed while not having Davis for a huge chunk of the season and despite starting 2-10.
And they lost a ton of games by one possession, even at the buzzer.

Pull your head out of your ass a little bit, it's not that hard. I'm not a Lebron fan at all, not even close. But this notion that the Lakers are a bottom dweller level team needs to cease. They are and will be fine even without additional trades, all they need is health.

I didn’t know my head was in my ass for stating facts Happy to know I hurt your feelings for being factual.

[Ritzo]

I really thought he's washed because he had an awful start this season, I'm glad he's proving me wrong.

[ty 4191]

Ok, so, it's easier to score and produce offense the last couple years. Let's take that into account:

All time, age 38, inflation adjusted stats (Backpicks):

--LeBron: PTS: 29.1 (96th percentile), tTS%: +0.9: (57th%), Passer Rating: (97th%), BPM: (96th%)

--Jordan: PTS: 28.1 (98th%), rTS%: -5.2 (7th%), Passer Rating: (90th%), BPM: (62nd%)

--Kareem: PTS: 25.6 (95th%, rTS%: +6.2 (92nd%), Passer Rating: (62nd%), BPM: (96th%)

--Karl Malone: PTS: 24.7 (94th%), rTS%: +1.2 (58th%), Passer Rating: +6.8 (89th%), BPM: (95th%)

--Stockton: PTS: 16.9 (50th%), rTS: +9.2 (98th%), Passer Rating: (98th%), BPM: (96th%)

--Duncan: PTS: 19.2 (68th%), rTS: +2.6 (72nd%), Passer Rating: (85th%), BPM: (95th%)

--Reggie Miller: 15.6 (39th%), rTS: +8.4 (97th%), Passer Rating: (86th%), BPM: (83rd%)

Best slash lines (10+/5+/5+), 20 game span, ages 37-38:

LeBron (last 20 games): 33.2/8.0/7.4
Jordan: 28.3/6.5/5.3
Karl Malone: 24.6/9.9/5.0
Havlicek: 16.6/5.5/5.1
Pippen: 14.2/5.1/5.1
Kidd: 10.6/6.3/8.5

[hardenASG13]

Thought this was a new topic, so read the first page, in disgust. The original post was to acknowledge how LeBron doing this at his age is amazing, which it truly is. He's playing at an unprecedented level for his age. I'm 39 and can barely play 1 pickup game per week without getting nicked up. Yet a bunch of hate comes in immediately about them not being title contenders. They are led by a 38 year old.

Look at the rest of the guys from his draft class. How are they playing? How have they played the last few years. Insane what LeBron is doing, he's owned the last 20 years basically (I realize he is no longer the best player in the league, relax). But darn, appreciate the guy, he's been amazing from day 1 and has barely fallen off at age 38.

[hardenASG13]

It’s easier to score in today’s nba. Also he is allowed to carry, travel, bully his way to the basket with impunity. His team is still bottom 3rd in the west. now averaging those gaudy numbers and still be losing is impressive, I’ll give you that

His team is 5 games away from the 3rd seed while not having Davis for a huge chunk of the season and despite starting 2-10.
And they lost a ton of games by one possession, even at the buzzer.

Pull your head out of your ass a little bit, it's not that hard. I'm not a Lebron fan at all, not even close. But this notion that the Lakers are a bottom dweller level team needs to cease. They are and will be fine even without additional trades, all they need is health.

I didn’t know my head was in my ass for stating facts Happy to know I hurt your feelings for being factual.

Yet a guy like SGA, who is also a solo act for the most part, is being considered a superstar here now and is averaging similar numbers over all, this season, entering his prime. LeBron is 38. Their teams are separated by 1 game. You could easily argue SGAs supporting cast is better than what LeBrons played with this year, too. This isn't to knock SGA, but to put it in perspective. Lebrons been amazing this season for his age.

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[SeattleJazzFan]

The aforementioned Thomas Bryant just dropped 31 points on the Trailblazers.

Watch on YouTube

;t

Enes Kanter could put up games like this too, what's your point? He's a good scorer no doubt but it's cancelled out by his worst in the league defense.

The point is, I think we may need to end up discounting a quarter to a third (1/4th to 1/3rd) of the counting stats for players from today. To account for the context of it being easier to score today and make fairer comparisons between them and players from years gone by. Like if someone was averaging 30 PPG today, would it be fair to ask if they might only be averaging 20-22.5 PPG in the 1990s?

lebron played in 13 of the 20 slowest paced years since 1974 yet is still going to break Kareem's record. i'll allow him a few quicker paced years in his late 30s to catch up a bit.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Ok, so, it's easier to score and produce offense the last couple years. Let's take that into account:

All time, age 38, inflation adjusted stats (Backpicks):

--LeBron: PTS: 29.1 (96th percentile), tTS%: +0.9: (57th%), Passer Rating: (97th%), BPM: (96th%)

--Jordan: PTS: 28.1 (98th%), rTS%: -5.2 (7th%), Passer Rating: (90th%), BPM: (62nd%)

--Kareem: PTS: 25.6 (95th%, rTS%: +6.2 (92nd%), Passer Rating: (62nd%), BPM: (96th%)

--Karl Malone: PTS: 24.7 (94th%), rTS%: +1.2 (58th%), Passer Rating: +6.8 (89th%), BPM: (95th%)

--Stockton: PTS: 16.9 (50th%), rTS: +9.2 (98th%), Passer Rating: (98th%), BPM: (96th%)

--Duncan: PTS: 19.2 (68th%), rTS: +2.6 (72nd%), Passer Rating: (85th%), BPM: (95th%)

--Reggie Miller: 15.6 (39th%), rTS: +8.4 (97th%), Passer Rating: (86th%), BPM: (83rd%)

Best slash lines (10+/5+/5+), 20 game span, ages 37-38:

LeBron (last 20 games): 33.2/8.0/7.4
Jordan: 28.3/6.5/5.3
Karl Malone: 24.6/9.9/5.0
Havlicek: 16.6/5.5/5.1
Pippen: 14.2/5.1/5.1
Kidd: 10.6/6.3/8.5

and keep in mind, the bolded had taken two different two year breaks in career - very well rested when he was playing his age 38 season. lebron had played 20 seasons straight including all those long post season runs. can't really compare mj at 38 and lebron at 38 simply due to mileage and mj's long breaks.