Woj: Hawks Trading John Collins to the Utah Jazz for Rudy Gay, 2RP

[SeattleJazzFan]

So how much better does this make Utah? Because they couldn't even make the play-in last year and only won 37 games.

How do they get a big star or two on their team again being a treadmill team?

I don't dislike the trade, but I am just wondering what exactly is the end goal here.

When they started tearing the team down trading Mitchell and Gobert, I thought they were going for a full rebuild.

utah was a 6/7/8 seed the entire year before they pretty much traded everybody (everybody they didn't trade earlier) at the deadline, then sat all their veterans for the last 10 games of the season. iow, they didn't make the play in because they were tanking. tanking hard.

[They_Them_Hatin]

So how much better does this make Utah? Because they couldn't even make the play-in last year and only won 37 games.

They actually won 37 games despite the best efforts of the front office to tank..... If they had kept the team they started the season with they would've been in the playoffs.

We owe our 1st round pick to OKC this year (unless we're bottom 10) so no reason to not make a push for the playoffs and we have to spend money somewhere.

I love this move, bought super low stock hoping for a turnaround and maybe the change in team and scenery (also being from UT) maybe reignites his career. If it doesn't, oh well, we won't be true contenders in a best case scenario until his contract is up. If we get the player that's less than he was 2-3 years ago, but better than last year I'd still call that a win and I like that we can have Hendricks starting on the bench for now. If the guy is awesome the team won't hesitate to bump up his role / playing time immediately (ala Donovan)

I just looked it up. He was born there and lived in Utah for a year since both parents were in the military lol. Still this is a great trade for the Jazz and he’s needed a change of scenery for awhile.

[dirkdiggler4177]

I don't get it for Utah. They are not making the playoffs this season and Collins is scoring 13 point per game for 25 mill*3

[Phish Tank]

I don't know if this is what the Players Union anticipated when they agreed to the CBA.

[Triple M]

I thought Collins was solid in the playoffs this year but yea i get it is a small sample

he averaged 11 and 4 on 43% FGs and 34% 3pt. so yeah, not very good in that small sample.

Yea i think i was remembering his last 2 games and didn't realixe he was bad the first 4

[pace31]

I don't get it for Utah. They are not making the playoffs this season and Collins is scoring 13 point per game for 25 mill*3

Why can't they? They only bonafide locks to make the West playoffs next year are Denver and Phoenix. Then a bunch of highly likely teams (SAC, GS, MEM, LAL, etc.), but a group of teams that if any of them fell out wouldn't shock me. Based on what Utah did last year, and the moves so far this offseason, them making the playoffs shouldn't shock anyone.

[ITYSL]

https://www.spotrac.com/news/hawks-trade-john-collins-to-jazz-in-salary-dump-1936/

THE MECHANICS
This trade is another one that will have to take place after the league year changes over. There’s two parts to that and both are equally fascinating.

Let’s start with the Hawks side. Atlanta is sending out John Collins and his $25,340,000 salary, so they could have easily absorbed Rudy Gay’s $6,479,000 salary in the deal. But to maximize the amount of the Traded Player Exception (TPE) they can create, the Hawks will take Gay into their existing TPE for Justin Holiday.

Here’s where it gets fun! That Holiday TPE is $6,292,400. Under the current CBA (which expires when the calendar flips to July 1), the Holiday TPE wouldn’t have been big enough to absorb Gay’s salary. But in the new CBA, the little bit of extra matching in a trade increases from $100,000 to $200,000. That increase will allow Atlanta to bring Gay in via the Holiday TPE. The Hawks will then create the league’s currently largest TPE of $25,340,000 for the full value of Collins’ outgoing salary.

On the Jazz side of the trade, they are bringing Collins in via cap space, so they need to delay until the year flips to have that cap space. Utah will have enough cap space to do this deal, whether Jordan Clarkson and/or Talen Horton-Tucker opt out of their contracts or not. We currently project Clarkson to opt out (with the idea of adding more years onto his deal) and Horton-Tucker to opt in. But even if both opt in, the Jazz will have enough cap room to complete this deal.

If Clarkson opts out as projected, Utah will use a large chunk of their available cap space. Pre-trade for Collins, we projected the Jazz to have $47.2 million in cap space. After trading for Collins, we now project Utah to have $28.4 million in cap space.

[JujitsuFlip]

Sheesh, gave him away for nothing.

They have been trying to get rid if that guy for years.

[Pointgod]

Great trade for Utah. They gave up nothing for a starting quality player player fits pretty well with their front court. I see no downside here.

And for Atlanta oof! This is a hard result to settle for after all the years trying to Collins.

[They_Them_Hatin]

I don't know if this is what the Players Union anticipated when they agreed to the CBA.

The Players Union are idiots. They’re the reason the league became what is.

[ocelot17]

What’s the point of this trade? I thought Utah was trying to tank.

They’re just a worse treadmill version of Mitchell/Gobert jazz team.

[SK21209]

The next couple of drafts aren't supposed to be awesome and we just saw Portland try to compete for like 70% of the year, tank and get up to #3. You don't need to sell off all of your good players to tank, you just sit them the last month and a half. The Jazz got a pretty decent talent in Collins for nothing, I don't see the problem with it.

[dautjazz]

What’s the point of this trade? I thought Utah was trying to tank.

They’re just a worse treadmill version of Mitchell/Gobert jazz team.

I mean they acquired him essentially for a 2nd round pick, and we can still make an effort to tank at the end of the year like we did this year. Collins sucked last year, but perhaps in a new environment he can bounce back, given that we aren't contending for anything anytime soon, I think it's worth the gamble on his contract.

[durden_tyler]

Finally atlanta accepts what Collin's value actually is

First reply gold, all our thoughts, except Hawks fans. LOL

[ConSarnit]

Good thing Atlanta held onto that Asset by giving him that big contract. They'd never have managed to get Rudy Gay and 2nd round pick years later without it!

Isn’t this an argument in favor of keeping the asset?
ATL overpaid him, he forgot how to shoot and they still got off his salary for nothing (actually got a small asset in a 2nd). If that’s the downside to retaining an asset more teams should probably try to retain guys. Especially if it costs absolutely nothing to get off of that guy if it turns sour.

[Exp0sed]

What’s the point of this trade? I thought Utah was trying to tank.

They’re just a worse treadmill version of Mitchell/Gobert jazz team.

They tanked for Wemby, that was too good of an option to pass on
despite tanking they won alot of games

they have guys like Markaennen whose made a huge jump and other productive player, including some younger ones who will def be better next year

with the play-in format anything is possible, adding a legit starter in Collins is awesome

Utah has a long history of being competitive yet not a real chanmpionship caliber team, I think their fans prefer it this way and wouldn't be interested in a prolonged tank

moreover, thy have so many picks in the coming years from their trades, they still will have plenty of chances to swing for the fences to get better top end talent

they could also use their remaining cap space to sign a vet guard for around 20m per season, even if it's just for a two year deal that won't hurt their flexilibilty long term

Markannen had a legit case for top 20 player last season, if he can show that wasn't a fluke and he can generate elite offense in good volume like he did last season - they will be in a very good spot

Lauri \ Kessler (looking like a stud already and will only get better) \ Clarkson \ Collins \ Olynik \ their rookies and some interesting depth with Ochai \ THT (if he stays) \ Fontecchio

that's not great but it's a start

if they get a good vet Guard with their remaining cap they would be a really competitive and annoying team
and start buiilding some chemistry, culture and continuity

I like it alot, Collins has untapped potential, Hawk were a mess for his entire tenure on and off the court

sure he's overpaid but he can be better than he has shown and i'm sure if they made this trade it's because they believe in him and intend to feature him more and play thru him more - he was always phased out in those Hawks teams

[Jadoogar]

Rough return for Atlanta

true but they could have gotten nothing for him and let him leave in FA. so all in all, they got a 2nd rounder

But they wasted 2 seasons with him. Was a 2nd rounder worth it?

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[whatisacenter]

Collin Sexton / Jordan Clarkson
Talen Horton-Tucker / Keyontae George
Lauri Markkanen / Ochai Agbaji / Bryce Sensabaugh
John Collins / Taylor Hendricks / Simone Fontecchio
Walker Kessler / Damian Jones

Upgrade Sexton/THT and that team is serious trouble.

[whatisacenter]

What’s the point of this trade? I thought Utah was trying to tank.

They’re just a worse treadmill version of Mitchell/Gobert jazz team.

The tank was for this past draft, the next two are meh, and they got off Rudy and Spiders contracts.

[Hugi Mancura]

For Atlanta this seems like a salary dump. They need to get rid of salaries before they can offer Murray his next contract. Atlanta doesn't want to go over the second apron next year. This trade made possible to offer good contracts to both Murray and Okongwu without going over second apron. I really doubt they will try to get Siakam, but stranger things have happened.

For Utah. They are not playing for championship in next two seasons, so trying to turn overpaid Collins back to what he was in offense is worth it. Kessler and Collins together doesn't sound best possible fit on offense, so we might see Collins spending lot of time with Olynyk and Hendricks, unless they trade Olynyk. Also Collins is not the greatest defender so having Kessler and Hendricks behind him is a bonus (if Hendricks turns to good defensive big, you never know with rookies). Most likely Utah will try different rotations with their bigs, but right now it seems Lauri will spend more time as a SF.

Now Utah just needs a veteran guard.