Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun?

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Who Would You Rather Have?

Jalen Duren
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Alperen Sengun
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun? 

Post#121 » by WillyJakkz » Thu Nov 2, 2023 9:53 pm

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Bornstellar wrote:Not even remotely close to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is Sengun has played 4 games so comparing his stats to a full season of Jokic makes zero sense at this point.

I get you like Sengun, and that's fine. But it's just asinine trying to put him in the conversation with Jokic right now. Would be like someone saying Al Jefferson was on a Tim Duncan trajectory because they both averaged ~21/11 in their fourth seasons. A comparison based solely on raw stats, especially now, fails the mark


I'm strictly (as I'm thinking) most are observing by saying Sengun is a big who can dribble, score, throw nifty passes, and actually has the offense going thru him at alot of pts in the game even w/ a vet PG like FVV there when comparing to Jokic.

It's his style and then you see the numbers along w/ his play style and it is strangely similar. And he's only 21.

At no point did Al Jeff resemble Tim Duncan in any of those aspects, maybe Kevin McHale but not Timmy.


I was responding to the poster that I initially quoted who was using averages to represent their point, hence my reply, and then you chimed in. Again, I'm not disputing the aesthetic similarities in their games, but this goes back to our initial discussion when I said a no-defense C whose game is predicated on post play is a dinosaur in today's NBA to which you responded with the comparison to Jokic. My point there was Jokic is an elite level player with all-time level vision/passing and his offensive game is not predicated on post play like Sengun's is (Sengun is a career 28% shooter from distance, btw. He's shooting above 40% this season...in 4 games on 1.8 attempts per game). Then another poster responded to someone else pointing out their raw stats to which I pointed out that a 4 game sample size versus Jokic's 2017 season was silly.

Like I said, I get you like Sengun, he's a fine player, but why make this thread and ask who we'd prefer if you weren't going to accept Duren as an answer? Clearly the majority appears to agree with me. Any comparisons to Jokic at this point are premature. That's all I'm saying


Understood but when did I ever say I didn't accept Duren as an answer. I'm a Sengun guy and I like Duren alot. I'm disputing we can't say Duren looks like Dwight thus far this season (whom posters are seeing Prime Dwight #'s) while not making the same statement about Sengun who looks like early Jokic.

So any comparisons of Duren to Dwight should be premature as well if Alperen isn't getting the same privilege.
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun? 

Post#122 » by BoogieTime » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:01 am

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FarBeyondDriven wrote:Sengun is shaping up to be like Sabonis or a Jokic lite. He has post moves, can pass and tries on defense though he's far from a good defender. Duren is essentially an old-school PF playing small ball center putting up numbers due to usage on a bad team. Any of their centers, if they were getting his minutes, would produce similarly. I like him but just prefer Sengun in today's NBA more.


Jokic-lite is nothing more than Sabonis and there’s a massive gap there. That’s like saying Tyler Herro is Jordan-lite. It’s an insult to Jordan and Jokic to make those weak and pointless connections.


Do it without insulting Domas

Domas was the hub of the best offense in the league last year https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/12/13/23507222/domantas-sabonis-sacramento-kings

Just from seeing Duren he doesn't move well or have much skill level beyond cleaning up (hence why you would take the skilled Sengun over him)

I'd be shocked if Duren ever came close to Sabonis impact (transforming a lottery team to a decent playoff team)

Sengun is his own player though and not stylistically like Domas.
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun? 

Post#123 » by sca » Thu Nov 9, 2023 8:16 am

This thread will frequently get visited in the next few years, but I think the guys who fit the athletic center with defensive potential prototype tend to get overrated, and those who don't fit tend to get underrated.

Şengün is on the path to become an offensive hub for his team in the mold of Jokic / Embiid / Sabonis etc. Players like him are very rare, and while he's obviously not as talented as Jokic or Embiid, IMO it's still much more valuable to have a guy like this on the team than an athletic C with defensive potential.
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun? 

Post#124 » by peZt » Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:02 pm

One_and_Done wrote:Sengun is likely a bench player, while Duren is potentially a starter so Duren probably.


Sengun is anchoring a top 10 defense while faciliating a top 10 offense while averaging close to 20-10-6 at top 10 efficiancy in the league. Things that Duren can only dream of
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun? 

Post#125 » by MoreyWins » Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:13 pm

No way people looked at Sengun as a bench player. Even the most limited of defensive bigs that can carry an offense are starters. Sengun is rocking it on defense. He's 21 and a top 10 center in the game. Arguably in the second tier of centers below Embiid and Jokic.
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun? 

Post#126 » by Sane » Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:00 am

Sengun at 21 in these 7 games has been as good as Sabonis' best season ever yet we have to compare him to Sabonis? Lol That ceiling will be broken in a few weeks.

Sorry but guys trajectory is looking more like a smaller but faster Jokic. With 7 games games his defense has improved drastically and his commitment to defense is excellent.

When you make comparisons, you do it by age or experience. When we're comparing them, it's to a 21 year old Jokic so don't come saying Sengun can't run a championship offense because neither could Jokic at this age.
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun? 

Post#127 » by freestyler34 » Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:29 am

Whats so special about Duren ? Undersized athletic defensive center with zero offense ? Isnt %90 of the American bigs that coming from college got same profile ? Dude cant even score other than dunks .
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun? 

Post#128 » by Collymore » Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:40 am

Sane wrote:Sengun at 21 in these 7 games has been as good as Sabonis' best season ever yet we have to compare him to Sabonis? Lol That ceiling will be broken in a few weeks.

Sorry but guys trajectory is looking more like a smaller but faster Jokic. With 7 games games his defense has improved drastically and his commitment to defense is excellent.

When you make comparisons, you do it by age or experience. When we're comparing them, it's to a 21 year old Jokic so don't come saying Sengun can't run a championship offense because neither could Jokic at this age.

breathe dude, breathe. sengun will very likely be a bench guy in a few years if he is still in the league. sure, if everything plays out perfectly he might be a fringe starter on a non-tanking team but pretty unlikely
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun? 

Post#129 » by Wolfgang630 » Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:42 am

So Duren can do what now? Just dunk?…ok like every American big now because none of them can carry an offense anymore.
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun? 

Post#130 » by WillyJakkz » Sun Nov 12, 2023 11:36 pm

Welp, we're about to see Sengun matchup with the real Jokic tonite!

Will be an excellent assessment for where he is and how far he needs to improve and also a good visual comparison.
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun? 

Post#131 » by mateos » Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:18 am

Funny voting results
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Post#132 » by freestyler34 » Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:33 pm

mateos wrote:Funny voting results


What do you expect ? Most of the realgmers know nothing about basketball and only watches 1-2 teams in the NBA
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun? 

Post#133 » by firedavidkahn » Mon Nov 13, 2023 1:04 pm

Rather have the one who is vastly more skilled.

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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun? 

Post#134 » by Gusto1903 » Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:02 pm

How the hell is Duren even in front? I woulda thought, this is a one way competition anyways, but Duren is leading the poll?
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun? 

Post#135 » by JHFVF07 » Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:19 pm

That one was fast! It usually take some months until I have to eat my crow!
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun? 

Post#136 » by scrabbarista » Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:28 pm

Gusto1903 wrote:How the hell is Duren even in front? I woulda thought, this is a one way competition anyways, but Duren is leading the poll?


Because:

1. The OP swayed the vote by saying Duren is "still only 19" or whatever.
2. The OP swayed the vote by posting pictures of Duren's muscles and Sengun's weak, girlish limbs.
3. I'm sure over half of voters had never watched these guys play a full game - and I couldn't blame them, when you consider how DET and HOU have performed the last couple of seasons.
4. Some people, for some reason, apparently love to hate the Houston Rockets.

I would add, the results have changed dramatically recently. Seems like 90% of voters in the last week are going with Sengun.
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun? 

Post#137 » by Dmcg88 » Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:46 pm

Duran started season on a tear then messed up his ankle and hasn’t been the same. Im still taking the 19-20 year old physical freak with great defensive upside, good passing feel, and good looking jumps that needs work. He could easily be a Bam Adebayo caliber center in a couple years
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun? 

Post#138 » by jasonxxx102 » Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:48 pm

freestyler34 wrote:Whats so special about Duren ? Undersized athletic defensive center with zero offense ? Isnt %90 of the American bigs that coming from college got same profile ? Dude cant even score other than dunks .


He unexpectedly put up a couple big games and everyone went wild for no reason
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun? 

Post#139 » by WillyJakkz » Mon Nov 13, 2023 4:29 pm

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Gusto1903 wrote:How the hell is Duren even in front? I woulda thought, this is a one way competition anyways, but Duren is leading the poll?


Because:

1. The OP swayed the vote by saying Duren is "still only 19" or whatever.
2. The OP swayed the vote by posting pictures of Duren's muscles and Sengun's weak, girlish limbs.
3. I'm sure over half of voters had never watched these guys play a full game - and I couldn't blame them, when you consider how DET and HOU have performed the last couple of seasons.
4. Some people, for some reason, apparently love to hate the Houston Rockets.

I would add, the results have changed dramatically recently. Seems like 90% of voters in the last week are going with Sengun.


I'll take 1 & 2 as hyperbole :lol:

I figured posters were knowledgeable enough in both guys if not at least the thread potentially creates interest in fans watching them.
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Re: Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun? 

Post#140 » by jasonxxx102 » Mon Nov 13, 2023 4:48 pm

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Gusto1903 wrote:How the hell is Duren even in front? I woulda thought, this is a one way competition anyways, but Duren is leading the poll?


Because:

1. The OP swayed the vote by saying Duren is "still only 19" or whatever.
2. The OP swayed the vote by posting pictures of Duren's muscles and Sengun's weak, girlish limbs.
3. I'm sure over half of voters had never watched these guys play a full game - and I couldn't blame them, when you consider how DET and HOU have performed the last couple of seasons.
4. Some people, for some reason, apparently love to hate the Houston Rockets.

I would add, the results have changed dramatically recently. Seems like 90% of voters in the last week are going with Sengun.


I'll take 1 & 2 as hyperbole :lol:

I figured posters were knowledgeable enough in both guys if not at least the thread potentially creates interest in fans watching them.


Most fans are casual and only watch their favorite team and glance at box scores. Do any poll like this after 1 player has a couple big box games and you’ll get weird results like this.
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