Ant vs Kobe

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Who would you build around in today's league?

Ant
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28%
Kobe
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72%
 
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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#121 » by One_and_Done » Tue May 7, 2024 5:15 am

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Black Jack wrote:Kobe didn't play in the advanced stats era. If he was same as as Ant he'd be better period. Kobe would have developed his jumper more in the post-Steph era where everybody has a jumper. Also he'd have been targeting advanced stats instead of ball hogging like he did in his era when everyone was copying Jordan's playing style.

I like Ant but Kobe had more raw talent.


If Ant keeps this up I might have to eat my words :o :o :o

The idea Kobe would play differently today now is silly anyway, as people explained. He tried plenty to develop a better 3 ball for eg, he just couldn't.
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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#122 » by Kobeshow » Sat May 25, 2024 8:27 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#123 » by One_and_Done » Sat May 25, 2024 9:11 am

Ant's overall playoff stats still compares favourably to Kobe.
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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#124 » by LaLover11 » Sat May 25, 2024 9:18 am

One_and_Done wrote:Lebron was definitely in his prime by 09.


08
Bronny will become Murray 2.0
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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#125 » by One_and_Done » Sat May 25, 2024 9:19 am

LaLover11 wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:Lebron was definitely in his prime by 09.


08

His prime might have started as early as 07, but he hit another level in 09.
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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#126 » by p0peye » Sat May 25, 2024 9:35 am

Can we build around Ant-Man's first 8 games in playoffs this season only?
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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#127 » by LAvision » Sat May 25, 2024 9:43 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#128 » by Wallace_Wallace » Sat May 25, 2024 10:06 am

One_and_Done wrote:Ant's overall playoff stats still compares favourably to Kobe.


Wallace_Wallace wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:
Wallace_Wallace wrote:I hear people said, “His playoff stats compare very favorably against Kobe Bryant.” If people want to compare him to legends after 7 good games, then don’t duck the smoke when you have stinkers (2 stinkers against Denver and 2 so far against Dallas)

Maybe look at the whole playoffs?


And? Where’s the Devin Booker/Kobe comparison when he average 33.7 on 68.6% TS? That is in the midst of his point guard being injured (again) and his center throwing a bitch fit every other game.

Point is, a couple nice rounds don’t get in the legendary status.


Forgot to reply to me about the other thread? :lol:
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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#129 » by blessofcurse » Sat May 25, 2024 10:23 am

Everyone is better than Kobe at least in realgm.
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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#130 » by One_and_Done » Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:07 am

Wallace_Wallace wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:Ant's overall playoff stats still compares favourably to Kobe.


Wallace_Wallace wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:Maybe look at the whole playoffs?


And? Where’s the Devin Booker/Kobe comparison when he average 33.7 on 68.6% TS? That is in the midst of his point guard being injured (again) and his center throwing a bitch fit every other game.

Point is, a couple nice rounds don’t get in the legendary status.


Forgot to reply to me about the other thread? :lol:

I'd still take Ant over Kobe.
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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#131 » by The4thHorseman » Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:58 am

LakerLegend wrote:
D.Brasco wrote:
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There are many far lesser players than Kobe dominating this league, Ant included.


22 year old Ant compared to 22 yo Kobe, I don't see him being any less than Kobe was at that age and arguably quite ahead tbh. I'm not comparing legacy or accolades but just viewing how both of them looked at the same age.


Kobe at 22 at a lot of analysts/former players saying Kobe was better than Jordan at the same age. No one's saying that about Ant.

Kobe wasn't even the first option at age 22. Can't compare the 2 players until the 2005 season forward cause that was the first year Kobe was considered first option, plus LA didn't make the playoffs that year.
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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#132 » by Sealab2024 » Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:01 am

Pretty sure Ant already answered this question last year when he looked around the Team USA locker room and grimly remarked "there ain't no Kobe on this team".
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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#133 » by The Explorer » Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:16 am

One_and_Done wrote:
Wallace_Wallace wrote:
One_and_Done wrote:Ant's overall playoff stats still compares favourably to Kobe.


Wallace_Wallace wrote:
And? Where’s the Devin Booker/Kobe comparison when he average 33.7 on 68.6% TS? That is in the midst of his point guard being injured (again) and his center throwing a bitch fit every other game.

Point is, a couple nice rounds don’t get in the legendary status.


Forgot to reply to me about the other thread? :lol:

I'd still take Ant over Kobe.


Edwards has Kobe and MJ in his top 5, and doesn't have Lebron in his top 5. Even Edwards himself disagrees with you on how good he is.
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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#134 » by One_and_Done » Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:37 pm

Players have no idea how to rate other players, and in this case Ant is probably just being complimentary by praising a guy he grew up admiring.
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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#135 » by KembaWalker » Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:46 pm

Kobe had to show up to save prime Bron from another Olympic embarrassment. Geezer LeBron is still better than Ant. They are not in the same conversation
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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#136 » by The4thHorseman » Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:37 pm

KembaWalker wrote:Kobe had to show up to save prime Bron from another Olympic embarrassment. Geezer LeBron is still better than Ant. They are not in the same conversation

Saved LeBron by playing worse than him?

:lol:
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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#137 » by thebigbird » Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:49 pm

The4thHorseman wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:Kobe had to show up to save prime Bron from another Olympic embarrassment. Geezer LeBron is still better than Ant. They are not in the same conversation

Saved LeBron by playing worse than him?

:lol:

LeBron’s “Olympic embarrassment” aka playing 11 mpg as a 19 year old lmao.
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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#138 » by The4thHorseman » Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:58 pm

thebigbird wrote:
The4thHorseman wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:Kobe had to show up to save prime Bron from another Olympic embarrassment. Geezer LeBron is still better than Ant. They are not in the same conversation

Saved LeBron by playing worse than him?

:lol:

LeBron’s “Olympic embarrassment” aka playing 11 mpg as a 19 year old lmao.

Dude must have George Costanza syndrome.

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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#139 » by KembaWalker » Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:58 pm

thebigbird wrote:
The4thHorseman wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:Kobe had to show up to save prime Bron from another Olympic embarrassment. Geezer LeBron is still better than Ant. They are not in the same conversation

Saved LeBron by playing worse than him?

:lol:

LeBron’s “Olympic embarrassment” aka playing 11 mpg as a 19 year old lmao.


LeBron fans gonna start using his team USA bronze medal as a legacy builder now :lol:
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Re: Ant vs Kobe 

Post#140 » by thebigbird » Wed Jul 10, 2024 2:29 pm

KembaWalker wrote:
thebigbird wrote:
The4thHorseman wrote:Saved LeBron by playing worse than him?

:lol:

LeBron’s “Olympic embarrassment” aka playing 11 mpg as a 19 year old lmao.


LeBron fans gonna start using his team USA bronze medal as a legacy builder now :lol:

It’s simply entirely irrelevant to his legacy. A 19 year old played spot minutes in the Olympics and played well when he did play. Scandalous.

You know what is a legacy builder? Playing in the Olympics again 20 years later and still being so good that your peers vote you best player in camp.

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