2024 Olympic BASKETBALL Thread (pt.4.2: Quarterfinals are set!)

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Who wins the quarterfinal games on Tuesday?

Poll ended at Tue Aug 6, 2024 3:42 pm

Germany
58
21%
vs Greece
13
5%
Serbia
50
18%
vs Australia
17
6%
France
8
3%
vs Canada
62
22%
Brazil
6
2%
vs United States
63
23%
 
Total votes: 277

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Re: 2024 Olympic BASKETBALL Thread (pt.4.2: Quarterfinals are set!) 

Post#121 » by UcanUwill » Tue Aug 6, 2024 11:38 am

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durden_tyler wrote:Almost feels like what Luka went through with Slovenia. They really want to represent their flag (despite recent injuries) and that’s impressive. But at some point, they are going to feel like it’s useless playing for the NT when it’s always the same scrubs as teammates and you have to do everything yourself. LOL


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I mean, this is far from the best Greek teams, but the biggest problem is fit. Some of these players are good, they are much better at their clubs, but they all are terrible fit together, because most of these guys are non scorers who collaborate with shooters, scorers. Walkup is pretty good when he has to play with Cannan and Peters and Vazenkov. But him and Calathes, then add Giannis too, the fit is ridiculously hilarious. SPanoulis probably should have experimented more, he went a bit too safe, too predictable, bringing the most notable names and playing them together in most important times. He probably needed more Toliopolous and more guys like that, guys who not from Euroleague, but who can at least shoot.

IDK, overall, Greece did not underachieve, they were third most talented team in that group and they finished third I believe. They got to top 8 which was their ceiling IMO, so not like this team was terrible, but yeah, they weren't very inspiring, very safe and unchallenging play, just get best EL players and put them together despite the fit.

Overall, these Greek players, individually are much stronger than most SLovenian players, but full strength Slovenia is a bit more inspiring, because fit is better around Luka. Lukas teammates aren't even Euroleague level, but they are all spot up shooters and thats most of what you need. Greek guys are more advanced, but you can not play 3 non shooters in 2024, thats what it was almost.

My point is that they have a superstar then just a bunch or role players— at any level.


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Walkup is a weird guy to naturalize. I get that Greece didn't want to naturalize complete random guy, Lorenzo style, but Walkup is still naturalized guy, he still is that. If they naturalized someone like Nunn, team would look better. True, all they have are role players, but sometimes that is enough, they just have to make sense.
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Post#122 » by RookieStar » Tue Aug 6, 2024 11:50 am

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Pachinko_ wrote:Iisalo going to the NBA to be a video coordinator or whatever is a huge disappointment, he built this awesome team in Paris, and now they made it to the Euroleague and he leaves? To do what? In the NBA there's never been a single Heach Coach born and raised in Europe, it's a closed club, he just burried his career for however long he stays there.


Uh... the only NBA team my country has is currently employing a Euro coach. Well im not surr if he was born across the Atlantic but im confident he doesnt belong to that "closed club" you are talking about.


DArko is closed club NBA guy, but Nurse wasnt... Nurse coached in England, he is not exactly NBA product that much I believe, SPO started as video coordinator. Some guys do not care for the NBA at all, but some care about it the most, and it is his chance, he cares, he took it. If hes smart, he might make it.


Is he? Closed Club means you grew up and either had NCAA coaching experience and transitioned to the NBA or you started your experience in any position in one of the 30 NBA teams and rose through the ranks.

I never knew he belonged.
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Post#123 » by UcanUwill » Tue Aug 6, 2024 12:01 pm

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Uh... the only NBA team my country has is currently employing a Euro coach. Well im not surr if he was born across the Atlantic but im confident he doesnt belong to that "closed club" you are talking about.


DArko is closed club NBA guy, but Nurse wasnt... Nurse coached in England, he is not exactly NBA product that much I believe, SPO started as video coordinator. Some guys do not care for the NBA at all, but some care about it the most, and it is his chance, he cares, he took it. If hes smart, he might make it.


Is he? Closed Club means you grew up and either had NCAA coaching experience and transitioned to the NBA or you started your experience in any position in one of the 30 NBA teams and rose through the ranks.

I never knew he belonged.


I guess you are right, he started his coaching career in Europe, but hes been NBA assistant for more than 10 years before getting Raptors job. Kokoskov was also NBA product, NBA assistent for like 18 years before getting Suns job. The only trully outsource guy who was ever hired was David Blatt, right? But as I said, Nurse, Darko as you mentioned, these guys started in Europe and it did take them two decades grinding NBA before they got NBA head coaching jobs. So, now the door is open, We already had two Serbian head coaches in the NBA.
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Post#124 » by Sofia » Tue Aug 6, 2024 12:18 pm

Serbia 7.5 point favourites.
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Post#125 » by Sofia » Tue Aug 6, 2024 12:20 pm

I reached out to Jugs, an Australian of Croatian heritage and long time OTB poster, for his thoughts on Serbia:

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Post#126 » by lambchop » Tue Aug 6, 2024 12:21 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
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DArko is closed club NBA guy, but Nurse wasnt... Nurse coached in England, he is not exactly NBA product that much I believe, SPO started as video coordinator. Some guys do not care for the NBA at all, but some care about it the most, and it is his chance, he cares, he took it. If hes smart, he might make it.


Is he? Closed Club means you grew up and either had NCAA coaching experience and transitioned to the NBA or you started your experience in any position in one of the 30 NBA teams and rose through the ranks.

I never knew he belonged.


I guess you are right, he started his coaching career in Europe, but hes been NBA assistant for more than 10 years before getting Raptors job. Kokoskov was also NBA product, NBA assistent for like 18 years before getting Suns job. The only trully outsource guy who was ever hired was David Blatt, right? But as I said, Nurse, Darko as you mentioned, these guys started in Europe and it did take them two decades grinding NBA before they got NBA head coaching jobs. So, now the door is open, We already had two Serbian head coaches in the NBA.


That isn't a smart move imo. Simply going to the NBA with no idea about how to handle all of the media, 82 game fixed regular season schedule, the flights through different time zones, back2backs etc. It makes a ton of sense to just be an assistant for a year before doing that.

It's more understandable that former players skip that, given that they know the ins and outs of the league from their playing days. Blatt actually handled the situation pretty well, despite ultimately being on the most scrutinized team, due to lebron's return.
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Re: 2024 Olympic BASKETBALL Thread (pt.4.2: Quarterfinals are set!) 

Post#127 » by UcanUwill » Tue Aug 6, 2024 12:25 pm

lambchop wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
Is he? Closed Club means you grew up and either had NCAA coaching experience and transitioned to the NBA or you started your experience in any position in one of the 30 NBA teams and rose through the ranks.

I never knew he belonged.


I guess you are right, he started his coaching career in Europe, but hes been NBA assistant for more than 10 years before getting Raptors job. Kokoskov was also NBA product, NBA assistent for like 18 years before getting Suns job. The only trully outsource guy who was ever hired was David Blatt, right? But as I said, Nurse, Darko as you mentioned, these guys started in Europe and it did take them two decades grinding NBA before they got NBA head coaching jobs. So, now the door is open, We already had two Serbian head coaches in the NBA.


That isn't a smart move imo. Simply going to the NBA with no idea about how to handle all of the media, 82 game fixed regular season schedule, the flights through different time zones, back2backs etc. It makes a ton of sense to just be an assistant for a year before doing that.

It's more understandable that former players skip that, given that they know the ins and outs of the league from their playing days. Blatt actually handled the situation pretty well, despite ultimately being on the most scrutinized team, due to lebron's return.


Worth to note that when Blatt was signed, CAVS didn't even know Bron will be back, Blatt signed with a team that was going with growth rebuild, having two back to back number 1 picks. But then right after Blatt signing, Bron announced he is back and they instantly became a contenders. It was pretty interesting situation, Blatt never really got a fair chance.
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Post#128 » by Mamba81p » Tue Aug 6, 2024 12:34 pm

I think this is the only QF with a chance of an upset, but even this has very slim chances of happening.

I think the top 4 are pretty clear, and they were from day 1. Very predictable tournament so far
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Post#129 » by Sofia » Tue Aug 6, 2024 12:40 pm

These commentators are the worst basketball commentators I’ve ever heard.

I would rather Reggie Miller in a blindfold calling play by play than these clowns
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Post#130 » by Mirotic12 » Tue Aug 6, 2024 12:40 pm

UcanUwill wrote:I mean, this is far from the best Greek teams, but the biggest problem is fit. Some of these players are good, they are much better at their clubs, but they all are terrible fit together, because most of these guys are non scorers who collaborate with shooters, scorers. Walkup is pretty good when he has to play with Cannan and Peters and Vazenkov. But him and Calathes, then add Giannis too, the fit is ridiculously hilarious. SPanoulis probably should have experimented more, he went a bit too safe, too predictable, bringing the most notable names and playing them together in most important times. He probably needed more Toliopolous and more guys like that, guys who not from Euroleague, but who can at least shoot.

IDK, overall, Greece did not underachieve, they were third most talented team in that group and they finished third I believe. They got to top 8 which was their ceiling IMO, so not like this team was terrible, but yeah, they weren't very inspiring, very safe and unchallenging play, just get best EL players and put them together despite the fit.

Overall, these Greek players, individually are much stronger than most SLovenian players, but full strength Slovenia is a bit more inspiring, because fit is better around Luka. Lukas teammates aren't even Euroleague level, but they are all spot up shooters and thats most of what you need. Greek guys are more advanced, but you can not play 3 non shooters in 2024, thats what it was almost.


Greek federation isn't setup where the coach just picks anyone. It's completely dominated by the Olympiacos and Panathinaikos nonsense. And over the years, especially so in the case of Panathinaikos.

The national team manager picks 18 players, and they have to pick a certain amount of players from Panathinaikos and Olympiacos, or the fans, social media, and media related to those teams will go nuts, especially a certain of the two. If Americans think Nike has too much influence over players getting selected for Team USA, multiply that by 1,000. And then of course the team has to have Giannis' brothers on it, unless they are injured, to appease Giannis.

The coach gets the 18 players, with built in places for the two EuroLeague clubs and Giannis' brothers, and then has a training camp to pick from. The coach can't just bring in any player he wants, because certain club teams have so much pull. Slovenia's coaches can take any player they want, including with hiring naturalized players.
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Post#131 » by Doranku » Tue Aug 6, 2024 12:41 pm

Jokic gotta stop forcing the passes. You've got Jock Landale guarding you in single coverage. Go to work.
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Post#132 » by Sofia » Tue Aug 6, 2024 12:42 pm

Giddey came out hot
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Post#133 » by QPR » Tue Aug 6, 2024 12:44 pm

I love aggressive Giddey. Just too big for most point guards.
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Post#134 » by Doranku » Tue Aug 6, 2024 12:46 pm

Bulls acquiring 21 year old Giddey for a 30 year old 3&D roleplayer will end up being the trade of the summer.
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Post#135 » by QPR » Tue Aug 6, 2024 12:48 pm

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Post#136 » by r0drig0lac » Tue Aug 6, 2024 12:48 pm

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Post#137 » by Diop » Tue Aug 6, 2024 12:48 pm

Fiba patty is somehow a combo of Steph curry and d wade
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Post#138 » by Sofia » Tue Aug 6, 2024 12:49 pm

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Post#139 » by Decipher » Tue Aug 6, 2024 12:50 pm

Doranku wrote:Bulls acquiring 21 year old Giddey for a 30 year old 3&D roleplayer will end up being the trade of the summer.


Nah, it was a fair trade.

Giddey is a much better player but Caruso fills a need for OKC
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Post#140 » by Sofia » Tue Aug 6, 2024 12:52 pm

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