The Miami Heat are suspending Jimmy Butler indefinitely

[JujitsuFlip]

I keep seeing this make the rounds, but outside of Minnesota it's just not true.

- The Bulls chose to start their rebuild after losing in the first round again w/ the Wade & Rondo core. If Rajon never gets hurt vs Boston, they probably pull the upset afters stealing two games in Boston. he never demanded out. Sure he had a ton of criticism for Thibs' replacement in Fred Hoiberg, but he was underwhelming as a pro and had to go back college after lasting only one more year after the trade.
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- With Philly, they opted not to give him the max contract he got from Miami. I believe the rumblings that Ben wasn't happy that the ball was taken out of his hands and the team prioritized keeping Simmons happy over Jimmy. He had a great relationship with Joel and both sides were pretty angry that he wasn't resigned.

The amount of posts saying just trade him is comical. If there was a decent deal on the table that didn't involve them taking on 2 more years of Beal after this season with his NTC, he would be gone by now. Do guys not realize that they've been shopping him since December? The team doesn't want to take on any long term contracts and they aren't just going to give him away when they can easily force him into opting out this summer and be a player in free agency.

Bulls brought him and Wade off the bench because they wouldn't stop publicly dumping on the young guys.

He hated Ben and Brett Brown lol there are tons of stories about how he undermined Brown in his short time there. Yes he loved Joel and still does but Brand not giving him the full max is why he said cya.

Like i said, guy has went out on trash terms on every team. To varying degrees to be sure but he never left anywhere happy and on good terms.

He came off the bench for exactly one game in Chicago. Just because he criticized his younger teammates and coaches, it doesn't necessarily mean he left on bad terms. Chicago didnt think he was good enough to be their #1 and opted for a rebuilding package from Minnesota to appease both sides. Jimmy's on record saying he never wanted to leave Chicago and got his wish being reunited with Thibs.

He never left Philly on bad terms, he left because they straight up didn't want him. They gave his contract Tobias Harris and we all know how that turned out. Not sure where you got the notion he hated Simmons, Brett Brown is a different story but considering how his HC experience turned out, how can you blame him when he played under Thibs and then Spo in Miami when he made those comments.

I'm pretty sure both Chicago and Philly have no ill will towards him. He helped jumpstart the rebuild with the assets in the Minnesota trade + subsequent tanking and Philly has major regrats not giving him that 5 year max he wanted.

The Philly take is such a fallacy lol

Brand offered Jimmy a contract, it just did not include the guaranteed 5th year. They did not pick Harris over James Butler, no one in their right mind would. Not even a GM as incompetent as Brand.

Once it was clear Himmy Buckets was leaving, Brand panicked and pivoted to Harris. Because he did not want to lose both of his mid season acquisitions.

If you're starting to see a trend here...

Bulls didn't want to pay Jimmy like a #1, he throws a fit. They trade him to the Wolves.

Wolves didn't want to pay Jimmy a year early, he throws a fit. They trade him to the 76ers.

76ers didn't want to pay Jimmy a full 5 year max, he throws a fit. They sign & trade him to the Heat.

Heat didn't want to pay Jimmy beyond age 36, he throws a fit. They trade him where?

[jbsays]

For those of you saying just trade him... it's been leaked he only wants to go to Phoenix.

If you were the Heat would you trade him for Beal? I wouldn't. And if any other team wanted Beal and Beal waived his NTC the deal would be done already.

Blazers refused to cave in to Dame's demand to get traded to Miami. They took the best offer they could get for him. Why wouldn't the Heat do the same?

[TheGeneral99]

Bulls brought him and Wade off the bench because they wouldn't stop publicly dumping on the young guys.

He hated Ben and Brett Brown lol there are tons of stories about how he undermined Brown in his short time there. Yes he loved Joel and still does but Brand not giving him the full max is why he said cya.

Like i said, guy has went out on trash terms on every team. To varying degrees to be sure but he never left anywhere happy and on good terms.

He came off the bench for exactly one game in Chicago. Just because he criticized his younger teammates and coaches, it doesn't necessarily mean he left on bad terms. Chicago didnt think he was good enough to be their #1 and opted for a rebuilding package from Minnesota to appease both sides. Jimmy's on record saying he never wanted to leave Chicago and got his wish being reunited with Thibs.

He never left Philly on bad terms, he left because they straight up didn't want him. They gave his contract Tobias Harris and we all know how that turned out. Not sure where you got the notion he hated Simmons, Brett Brown is a different story but considering how his HC experience turned out, how can you blame him when he played under Thibs and then Spo in Miami when he made those comments.

I'm pretty sure both Chicago and Philly have no ill will towards him. He helped jumpstart the rebuild with the assets in the Minnesota trade + subsequent tanking and Philly has major regrats not giving him that 5 year max he wanted.

The Philly take is such a fallacy lol

Brand offered Jimmy a contract, it just did not include the guaranteed 5th year. They did not pick Harris over James Butler, no one in their right mind would. Not even a GM as incompetent as Brand.

Once it was clear Himmy Buckets was leaving, Brand panicked and pivoted to Harris. Because he did not want to lose both of his mid season acquisitions.

If you're starting to see a trend here...

Bulls didn't want to pay Jimmy like a #1, he throws a fit. They trade him to the Wolves.

Wolves didn't want to pay Jimmy a year early, he throws a fit. They trade him to the 76ers.

76ers didn't want to pay Jimmy a full 5 year max, he throws a fit. They sign & trade him to the Heat.

Heat didn't want to pay Jimmy beyond age 36, he throws a fit. They trade him where?

To be fair though and not excuse his behaviour - the Wolves and Sixers should have not hesitated and given him the full 5 year max.

[Nate505]

Great job Riley. Finally, an NBA team standing up to this crybaby garbage.

[hauntedcomputer]

I want him to opt in so we can do this for another 18 months...

[Nate505]

The whole "trade him already" stance is odd. Why? Butler is the one who signed a contract. All he needs to do is fulfill his end of the contract, but he's not doing so. Why should he be rewarded with a trade?

[Bloodbather]

“Heat Culture” can officially be considered dead and buried. This is a gigantic embarrassment

It amuses me to no end how much some people are annoyed by the Heat culture thing and want to "dispel" it.

That Riles is not bending over to Jimmy's whims is very much in line with what Heat culture is supposed to be. Not our fault that y'all don't understand what it is.

[phanman]

Bulls brought him and Wade off the bench because they wouldn't stop publicly dumping on the young guys.

He hated Ben and Brett Brown lol there are tons of stories about how he undermined Brown in his short time there. Yes he loved Joel and still does but Brand not giving him the full max is why he said cya.

Like i said, guy has went out on trash terms on every team. To varying degrees to be sure but he never left anywhere happy and on good terms.

He came off the bench for exactly one game in Chicago. Just because he criticized his younger teammates and coaches, it doesn't necessarily mean he left on bad terms. Chicago didnt think he was good enough to be their #1 and opted for a rebuilding package from Minnesota to appease both sides. Jimmy's on record saying he never wanted to leave Chicago and got his wish being reunited with Thibs.

He never left Philly on bad terms, he left because they straight up didn't want him. They gave his contract Tobias Harris and we all know how that turned out. Not sure where you got the notion he hated Simmons, Brett Brown is a different story but considering how his HC experience turned out, how can you blame him when he played under Thibs and then Spo in Miami when he made those comments.

I'm pretty sure both Chicago and Philly have no ill will towards him. He helped jumpstart the rebuild with the assets in the Minnesota trade + subsequent tanking and Philly has major regrats not giving him that 5 year max he wanted.

The Philly take is such a fallacy lol

Brand offered Jimmy a contract, it just did not include the guaranteed 5th year. They did not pick Harris over James Butler, no one in their right mind would. Not even a GM as incompetent as Brand.

Once it was clear Himmy Buckets was leaving, Brand panicked and pivoted to Harris. Because he did not want to lose both of his mid season acquisitions.

If you're starting to see a trend here...

Bulls didn't want to pay Jimmy like a #1, he throws a fit. They trade him to the Wolves.

Wolves didn't want to pay Jimmy a year early, he throws a fit. They trade him to the 76ers.

76ers didn't want to pay Jimmy a full 5 year max, he throws a fit. They sign & trade him to the Heat.

Heat didn't want to pay Jimmy beyond age 36, he throws a fit. They trade him where?

Woj is on record stating that Jimmy was seeking a 5 year 190m max contract and they refused to give him even a 4 year max. Them pivoting and then paying Tobias 180m over 5 years after he left is the definition of choosing Harris over him.

Your making assumptions, Jimmy did not throw a fit in Chicago, he got traded on draft day. With Philly he left in the offseason as a free agent after the 76ers didn't offer him a max contract and Miami cleared the cap space to give that initial 4 year deal.

[jbsays]

Heat had best record in Eastern Conference in 2021-2022 season. This was with Butler missing 1/3 of the games. In a five year period they made it to the Finals two years and had the best record in the East another season. Was this really an average roster? Average rosters don't have that much success.

JImmy was clearly the best player and had some great playoff runs. But, great players are supposed to be great in the playoffs.

[JujitsuFlip]

He came off the bench for exactly one game in Chicago. Just because he criticized his younger teammates and coaches, it doesn't necessarily mean he left on bad terms. Chicago didnt think he was good enough to be their #1 and opted for a rebuilding package from Minnesota to appease both sides. Jimmy's on record saying he never wanted to leave Chicago and got his wish being reunited with Thibs.

He never left Philly on bad terms, he left because they straight up didn't want him. They gave his contract Tobias Harris and we all know how that turned out. Not sure where you got the notion he hated Simmons, Brett Brown is a different story but considering how his HC experience turned out, how can you blame him when he played under Thibs and then Spo in Miami when he made those comments.

I'm pretty sure both Chicago and Philly have no ill will towards him. He helped jumpstart the rebuild with the assets in the Minnesota trade + subsequent tanking and Philly has major regrats not giving him that 5 year max he wanted.

The Philly take is such a fallacy lol

Brand offered Jimmy a contract, it just did not include the guaranteed 5th year. They did not pick Harris over James Butler, no one in their right mind would. Not even a GM as incompetent as Brand.

Once it was clear Himmy Buckets was leaving, Brand panicked and pivoted to Harris. Because he did not want to lose both of his mid season acquisitions.

If you're starting to see a trend here...

Bulls didn't want to pay Jimmy like a #1, he throws a fit. They trade him to the Wolves.

Wolves didn't want to pay Jimmy a year early, he throws a fit. They trade him to the 76ers.

76ers didn't want to pay Jimmy a full 5 year max, he throws a fit. They sign & trade him to the Heat.

Heat didn't want to pay Jimmy beyond age 36, he throws a fit. They trade him where?

To be fair though and not excuse his behaviour - the Wolves and Sixers should have not hesitated and given him the full 5 year max.

Maybe so. He was more pissed that KAT and Wiggins had already been paid and he looked at them as soft. Since Jimmy drug them to the playoffs for the first time in 14 years.

Brand bungled that whole summer but Jimmy just hated how soft Ben and Brett Brown were so he used it as an excuse.

[JujitsuFlip]

He came off the bench for exactly one game in Chicago. Just because he criticized his younger teammates and coaches, it doesn't necessarily mean he left on bad terms. Chicago didnt think he was good enough to be their #1 and opted for a rebuilding package from Minnesota to appease both sides. Jimmy's on record saying he never wanted to leave Chicago and got his wish being reunited with Thibs.

He never left Philly on bad terms, he left because they straight up didn't want him. They gave his contract Tobias Harris and we all know how that turned out. Not sure where you got the notion he hated Simmons, Brett Brown is a different story but considering how his HC experience turned out, how can you blame him when he played under Thibs and then Spo in Miami when he made those comments.

I'm pretty sure both Chicago and Philly have no ill will towards him. He helped jumpstart the rebuild with the assets in the Minnesota trade + subsequent tanking and Philly has major regrats not giving him that 5 year max he wanted.

The Philly take is such a fallacy lol

Brand offered Jimmy a contract, it just did not include the guaranteed 5th year. They did not pick Harris over James Butler, no one in their right mind would. Not even a GM as incompetent as Brand.

Once it was clear Himmy Buckets was leaving, Brand panicked and pivoted to Harris. Because he did not want to lose both of his mid season acquisitions.

If you're starting to see a trend here...

Bulls didn't want to pay Jimmy like a #1, he throws a fit. They trade him to the Wolves.

Wolves didn't want to pay Jimmy a year early, he throws a fit. They trade him to the 76ers.

76ers didn't want to pay Jimmy a full 5 year max, he throws a fit. They sign & trade him to the Heat.

Heat didn't want to pay Jimmy beyond age 36, he throws a fit. They trade him where?

Woj is on record stating that Jimmy was seeking a 5 year 190m max contract and they refused to give him even a 4 year max. Them pivoting and then paying Tobias 180m over 5 years after he left is the definition of choosing Harris over him.

Your making assumptions, Jimmy did not throw a fit in Chicago, he got traded on draft day. With Philly he left in the offseason as a free agent after the 76ers didn't offer him a max contract and Miami cleared the cap space to give that initial 4 year deal.

No its not lol you said it right in your own phrasing AFTER Jimbo left they said dang we better keep this other guy, so we don't lose both of em.

Jimmy was being a diva in Chicago is the only point that matters. He's been a nuisance every team he's been on.

[Drakeem]

How is this embarrassing for Riley? Have we not gotten enough evidence that with the new CBA, getting back bad salary is worse than letting him leave for nothing?

Easy for player empowerment to go overboard when you have too many people willing to defend it, no matter what extreme it hits.

[andalusian]

I can't believe the Heat are not answering Portland calls to send Ayton and Thybulle for him... </sarcasm>

[phanman]

The Philly take is such a fallacy lol

Brand offered Jimmy a contract, it just did not include the guaranteed 5th year. They did not pick Harris over James Butler, no one in their right mind would. Not even a GM as incompetent as Brand.

Once it was clear Himmy Buckets was leaving, Brand panicked and pivoted to Harris. Because he did not want to lose both of his mid season acquisitions.

If you're starting to see a trend here...

Bulls didn't want to pay Jimmy like a #1, he throws a fit. They trade him to the Wolves.

Wolves didn't want to pay Jimmy a year early, he throws a fit. They trade him to the 76ers.

76ers didn't want to pay Jimmy a full 5 year max, he throws a fit. They sign & trade him to the Heat.

Heat didn't want to pay Jimmy beyond age 36, he throws a fit. They trade him where?

Woj is on record stating that Jimmy was seeking a 5 year 190m max contract and they refused to give him even a 4 year max. Them pivoting and then paying Tobias 180m over 5 years after he left is the definition of choosing Harris over him.

Your making assumptions, Jimmy did not throw a fit in Chicago, he got traded on draft day. With Philly he left in the offseason as a free agent after the 76ers didn't offer him a max contract and Miami cleared the cap space to give that initial 4 year deal.

No its not lol you said it right in your own phrasing AFTER Jimbo left they said dang we better keep this other guy, so we don't lose both of em.

Jimmy was being a diva in Chicago is the only point that matters. He's been a nuisance every team he's been on.

Them giving Tobias the full max is all the proof you need that they chose him over Jimmy. If they weren't that high on Tobias, they wouldn't have given him the 5 years. On paper, with his 3pt shot Tobias just fit better next to Joel/Ben so you can at least see the POV from the organization. Especially with Ben still developing and needing the ball to be effective.

At the end of the day why he left Philly doesn't even matter because the whole discussion was based of you assuming that he left on bad terms and "threw a hissy fit". He was a free agent and found a team willing to give him a 4 year max contract which Philly helped facilitate in the S&T.

[chrismikayla]

I was a Riley fan, but this reeks of "plantation owner" mentality where these players are seen as personal property.

[Enzo954]

I was a Riley fan, but this reeks of "plantation owner" mentality where these players are seen as personal property.

Here we go....the guy who wants to make everything about race enters the conversation! Get outta here with this garbage post. People are sick of this crap.

[Tottery]

Circus. He should have been moved in the offseason. If not traded, he could opt out and walk. I imagine a lot of players are seeing this and talking to Butler, which could hurt them signing a big name without a trade.

[JujitsuFlip]

Woj is on record stating that Jimmy was seeking a 5 year 190m max contract and they refused to give him even a 4 year max. Them pivoting and then paying Tobias 180m over 5 years after he left is the definition of choosing Harris over him.

Your making assumptions, Jimmy did not throw a fit in Chicago, he got traded on draft day. With Philly he left in the offseason as a free agent after the 76ers didn't offer him a max contract and Miami cleared the cap space to give that initial 4 year deal.

No its not lol you said it right in your own phrasing AFTER Jimbo left they said dang we better keep this other guy, so we don't lose both of em.

Jimmy was being a diva in Chicago is the only point that matters. He's been a nuisance every team he's been on.

Them giving Tobias the full max is all the proof you need that they chose him over Jimmy. If they weren't that high on Tobias, they wouldn't have given him the 5 years. On paper, with his 3pt shot Tobias just fit better next to Joel/Ben so you can at least see the POV from the organization. Especially with Ben still developing and needing the ball to be effective.

At the end of the day why he left Philly doesn't even matter because the whole discussion was based of you assuming that he left on bad terms and "threw a hissy fit". He was a free agent and found a team willing to give him a 4 year max contract which Philly helped facilitate in the S&T.

Tobias Harris didn't receive a max contract though. There are specific designations. It was a heck of an overpay but he was not maxed.

https://clutchpoints.com/tobias-harris-enters-undervalued-free-agency-rocky-76ers-stint

"He then decided to sign a five-year, $180 million near-max contract in 2019..."

He did throw a fit, tf you mean? Lol he hated the head coach and their rookie max player. Its a story as old as time for him. If he thinks the young guys are soft and get paid more than him and/or sooner than him, he leaves the team.

[TheShow2021]

Compared to other sports, NBA players can be the biggest coddled, entitled, petulant crybaby divas, and the owners deserve the blame for being gutless and weak and caving in to it. Imagine Jimmy doing this in any other sport. Why should NBA players be handled with kid gloves?

[MrBigShot]

Nobody wins in this situation

And jimmy is going to get his money eventually when the NBPA files a grievance anyway, Ben simmons straight up refused to play or practice and he got his money.