Houston are LEGIT!!!

[jasonxxx102]

I got flamed for saying exactly this.

Image from statcenter on twitter

I don't think you understand what you are looking at.

What DOES this image show?

[jasonxxx102]

Looks to me like the Rockets are much better without Jalen Green on the floor but hey maybe I don't understand how numbers work lol

[Effigy]

Amen Thompson is special franchise changing talent. Supreme athleticism, strength, versatility, vision, toughness…i can go on. Rockets fans will be celebrating the chip real soon within the next 3 years for sure.

No chance unless they can get a top 5ish player.

[LarsV8]

Looks to me like the Rockets are much better without Jalen Green on the floor but hey maybe I don't understand how numbers work lol

Amen, Jabari and Green play different positions....a random smattering of on/off data with these three players is not useful. Again you don't seem to understand what on/off is telling you.

[cgf]

Looks to me like the Rockets are much better without Jalen Green on the floor but hey maybe I don't understand how numbers work lol

Looks to me like the Rockets have a lot of different ways to play those three together and have positive results, with only one iteration leading to negative results...

[jasonxxx102]

Looks to me like the Rockets are much better without Jalen Green on the floor but hey maybe I don't understand how numbers work lol

Amen, Jabari and Green play different positions....a random smattering of on/off data with these three players is not useful. Again you don't seem to understand what on/off is telling you.

oh ok so on/off combos don't matter because they play different positions. So I guess Jalen Greens individual on/off of -10.1 doesn't matter either, right?

So let's just throw out on/off all together as long as it's bad for your guy, I get it.

Jalen truthers are some of the most delusional people on this board. Dude puts up 20ppg and literally nothing else matters. Forget that he's one of the worst defensive players in the league, forget that he has 0 playmaking ability, forget his below average efficiency.

Just forget anything that actually matters to winning basketball games as long as he dunk ball good and shoot 3 good

Jalen Green is the only guy who can just never improve his game and rockets fans will never criticize him, it's wild

[Frankie]

Looks to me like the Rockets are much better without Jalen Green on the floor but hey maybe I don't understand how numbers work lol

Amen, Jabari and Green play different positions....a random smattering of on/off data with these three players is not useful. Again you don't seem to understand what on/off is telling you.

oh ok so on/off combos don't matter because they play different positions. So I guess Jalen Greens individual on/off of -10.1 doesn't matter either, right?

So let's just throw out on/off all together as long as it's bad for your guy, I get it.

Jalen truthers are some of the most delusional people on this board. Dude puts up 20ppg and literally nothing else matters. Forget that he's one of the worst defensive players in the league, forget that he has 0 playmaking ability, forget his below average efficiency.

Just forget anything that actually matters to winning basketball games as long as he dunk ball good and shoot 3 good

Jalen Green is the only guy who can just never improve his game and rockets fans will never criticize him, it's wild

Jalen is the most divisive players on the roster. I don't think you can say Rockets fans will never criticise him when half the online fanbase have wanted to trade him on and off for a long time now and he is the most criticised player on the whole team.

Personally, I like him but accept that he's a flawed player with lots of room to improve. SG is definitely the position need improved efficiency from, whether that's from Jalen himself or not, is a bridge will cross in the future.

[LarsV8]

oh ok so on/off combos don't matter because they play different positions. So I guess Jalen Greens individual on/off of -10.1 doesn't matter either, right?

So let's just throw out on/off all together as long as it's bad for your guy, I get it.

Jalen truthers are some of the most delusional people on this board. Dude puts up 20ppg and literally nothing else matters. Forget that he's one of the worst defensive players in the league, forget that he has 0 playmaking ability, forget his below average efficiency.

Just forget anything that actually matters to winning basketball games as long as he dunk ball good and shoot 3 good

Jalen Green is the only guy who can just never improve his game and rockets fans will never criticize him, it's wild

lord have mercy lol

[bmurph128]

can't think of a bigger surprise in recent memory...and that recent string of games is one of the more impressive I've seen in a long time too

[jasonxxx102]

Amen, Jabari and Green play different positions....a random smattering of on/off data with these three players is not useful. Again you don't seem to understand what on/off is telling you.

oh ok so on/off combos don't matter because they play different positions. So I guess Jalen Greens individual on/off of -10.1 doesn't matter either, right?

So let's just throw out on/off all together as long as it's bad for your guy, I get it.

Jalen truthers are some of the most delusional people on this board. Dude puts up 20ppg and literally nothing else matters. Forget that he's one of the worst defensive players in the league, forget that he has 0 playmaking ability, forget his below average efficiency.

Just forget anything that actually matters to winning basketball games as long as he dunk ball good and shoot 3 good

Jalen Green is the only guy who can just never improve his game and rockets fans will never criticize him, it's wild

Jalen is the most divisive players on the roster. I don't think you can say Rockets fans will never criticise him when half the online fanbase have wanted to trade him on and off for a long time now and he is the most criticised player on the whole team.

Personally, I like him but accept that he's a flawed player with lots of room to improve. SG is definitely the position need improved efficiency from, whether that's from Jalen himself or not, is a bridge will cross in the future.

maybe it's different on the Rockets board? I have never seen a rockets fan on here criticize him and any time I say anything remotely negative about the guy the same 5 people get all upset about it

[jasonxxx102]

oh ok so on/off combos don't matter because they play different positions. So I guess Jalen Greens individual on/off of -10.1 doesn't matter either, right?

So let's just throw out on/off all together as long as it's bad for your guy, I get it.

Jalen truthers are some of the most delusional people on this board. Dude puts up 20ppg and literally nothing else matters. Forget that he's one of the worst defensive players in the league, forget that he has 0 playmaking ability, forget his below average efficiency.

Just forget anything that actually matters to winning basketball games as long as he dunk ball good and shoot 3 good

Jalen Green is the only guy who can just never improve his game and rockets fans will never criticize him, it's wild

lord have mercy lol

Classic response. AKA nothing to say to the facts

[MoreyWins]

The 2022 Celtics that Ime Udoka took to the Finals won 51 regular season games. This Rockets team is on pace to finish the year with 57 wins. He's one hell of a coach. I'd go to bat that he's the best in the association.

[reamily]

Whats the off rtg of houston with alpo, jabari amen and jalen lineup? We have small sample of jabari amen and jalen during last seasons houston march streak( makes the data dubious if they dont add sengun on that equation)..
Whats the availability of bogdan bogdanovic from hawks in a trade perspective? Its like a preview of devin booker in rockets if they will make the swing in the offseason..

[LarsV8]

oh ok so on/off combos don't matter because they play different positions. So I guess Jalen Greens individual on/off of -10.1 doesn't matter either, right?

So let's just throw out on/off all together as long as it's bad for your guy, I get it.

Jalen truthers are some of the most delusional people on this board. Dude puts up 20ppg and literally nothing else matters. Forget that he's one of the worst defensive players in the league, forget that he has 0 playmaking ability, forget his below average efficiency.

Just forget anything that actually matters to winning basketball games as long as he dunk ball good and shoot 3 good

Jalen Green is the only guy who can just never improve his game and rockets fans will never criticize him, it's wild

lord have mercy lol

Classic response. AKA nothing to say to the facts

I can tell by your statements you are just trying to troll, so good luck with that.

[ThatBoyNick]

I'm aware of FVV from his days as a Raptor. He is mostly pretty crap as a scorer, but he has a few qualities which make him not total crap to a team, for sure. Best used as a 6th man, though, leastwise from the POV of developing quality offense. He's definitely holding them back a little by sucking that badly as a scorer.

He leads the team in minutes, by a lot.

The whole “He’s crap but not total crap, best used as a 6th man” take isn’t anywhere close to reality for Houston.

Fred has been absolutely vital to our success, we win because of him not in spite of him. He’s IMO been our 3rd best player after Sengun and Amen, on the team with the 3rd best record in the league.

His defense has been absolutely elite, his floor management, passing, low turnover rate and spacing make this team what it is. It’s why he plays the most.

Raps fans had a whole internal debate on Fred during his exit, I get it, but you guys should stop trying to project that on him in Houston. It’s just not accurate.

[tsherkin]

Fred has been absolutely vital to our success, we win because of him not in spite of him. He’s IMO been our 3rd best player after Sengun and Amen, on the team with the 3rd best record in the league.

Not on offense he isn't, which is what I was discussing mostly.

Raps fans had a whole internal debate on Fred during his exit, I get it, but you guys should stop trying to project that on him in Houston. It’s just not accurate.

He isn't different in Houston. He has the same strengths and the same weaknesses as he did here.

[ThatBoyNick]

Fred has been absolutely vital to our success, we win because of him not in spite of him. He’s IMO been our 3rd best player after Sengun and Amen, on the team with the 3rd best record in the league.

Not on offense he isn't, which is what I was discussing mostly.

Raps fans had a whole internal debate on Fred during his exit, I get it, but you guys should stop trying to project that on him in Houston. It’s just not accurate.

He isn't different in Houston. He has the same strengths and the same weaknesses as he did here.

Offense isn’t raw shooting numbers. Our team crumbles on offense in the games he’s out. We are a low turnover team because we play through him. If we weren’t a low turnover team our game plan and success would be flipped on its head.

Fred is simply one of the best players on one of the best teams in the league right now.

Your take is he’s 6th man material, the coaches take is he needs to play more minutes then any other player on the roster. Think about it

[tsherkin]

Offense isn’t raw shooting numbers. Our team crumbles on offense in the games he’s out. We are a low turnover team because we play through him. If we weren’t a low turnover team our game plan and success would be flipped on its head.

Sure. And you aren't a remarkable offense in part because you feature him the way you do. It doesn't mean he doesn't have methods of contributing. What you're identifying isn't that Fred is in a great role, you're identifying a short fall in your roster which means for Houston specifically, they need him because they don't have a starter-level talent to replace him.

Not quite the same thing.

Your take is he’s 6th man material, the coaches take is he needs to play more minutes then any other player on the roster. Think about it

My take is that you need a replacement for him so he can fill his ideal role, actually. I don't see anyone on Houston who should be taking his minutes at the moment, I agree, but like I said, that's more about a roster shortcoming than anything else.

[ThatBoyNick]

Offense isn’t raw shooting numbers. Our team crumbles on offense in the games he’s out. We are a low turnover team because we play through him. If we weren’t a low turnover team our game plan and success would be flipped on its head.

Sure. And you aren't a remarkable offense in part because you feature him the way you do. It doesn't mean he doesn't have methods of contributing. What you're identifying isn't that Fred is in a great role, you're identifying a short fall in your roster which means for Houston specifically, they need him because they don't have a starter-level talent to replace him.

Someone who brings what Fred does on defense and offense management while also being an above average scoring guard is basically prime Chris Paul, which is far cry from just a “starter level talent”

Fred is a starting level talent, all added together. You are iso-ing his scoring efficiency and labeling his entire level of play on it.

[tsherkin]

Someone who brings what Fred does on defense and offense management while also being an above average scoring guard is basically prime Chris Paul, which is far cry from just a “starter level talent”

Not really, no. Paul was an elite offensive weapon in a variety of ways.

Fred is a starting level talent, all added together. You are iso-ing his scoring efficiency and labeling his entire level of play on it.

No, I'm just well accustomed to his limitations.