Jimmy Butler has blocked multiple trades that would’ve landed him on contending teams

[Wigginstime]

The opposite - Butler feels he deserves a contract extension very similar to what Paul George just got (+$200M / 4 years). He is also aware of the current cap situation and realizes no contender will be able to give him that type of contract situation without his bird rights.

Effectively Butler wants to be traded to a team who is fully prepared to give him $200M which would take him until he is 39 years old... Butler and his agent were granted permission to speak with other teams. The only team who has agreed to that size and length of contract is the Suns. Butler has determined his only viable option is PHX.

If butler doesn't get traded, he basically admitted he would opt in next year and continue to demand a trade to a team who will give him an extension.

[sp6r=underrated]

Butler understands this is his last shot at a big contract. The only team open to giving him that contract is Phoenix so he is very aggressively trying to force his way there.

I don't think it will work but his behavior is intelligible. He's been as aggressive in pursuing his interest as the Sixers were during the peak Hinkie years. Hinkie and the Sixers didn't care at all how the other league stakeholders felt they were gunning for top picks. That's Butler and this contract.

[Pattycakes]

send the **** to the Wizards

ROFL, that’s dark bro.

[Froob]

Can't imagine they can buy him out, they'd be locked into his contract for next year and it'd be a massive dead cap hit.

[ShadyMoney]

Take riley for everything

[Meeksology]

Well if hes saying he’ll only resign with the suns a team where a trade isn’t possible atm that makes no sense. He’s gotta give some options for teams he would re sign to especially since HE asked for the trade lol

He is perfectly within his right to tell teams he plans to enter free agency.

I know you're a Suns fan and all, but you can't be this obtuse. The reason teams are backing off is because of what he's doing in Miami right now. He's literally scaring teams away.

Let's not twist things, teams are backing off because he is telling them he wont re-sign with them. That's it.

[BBallFreak]

He is perfectly within his right to tell teams he plans to enter free agency.

I know you're a Suns fan and all, but you can't be this obtuse. The reason teams are backing off is because of what he's doing in Miami right now. He's literally scaring teams away.

Let's not twist things, teams are backing off because he is telling them he wont re-sign with them. That's it.

Like they backed off with Kawhi? Jimmy is a malcontent. No one wants that on their team. A happy Jimmy? Sure! A pissed off Jimmy? No way. If you don't think this plays a part, you're out of your mind.

[babyjax13]

Is all this drama really worth the Heat holding onto him at this point? They should just trade him to the Suns or release him and be done with it.

They don't want Beal or other bad contract of the suns

At least Beal is drama free.

Beal is also not waiving his NTC. If Phoenix wants Butler and Miami doesn't like their options the deal will have to wait until the summer when Beal might be more open to moving so he doesn't have to move his family in the middle of the school year or be separated from them.

[ryguy613]

the risk here is off the charts. i get that hes obsessed with getting to Phoenix, but thats not up to him, the Heat, or the Suns. If Beal doesnt wanna go to the Heat, his NTC makes that a non-starter. If you cant swap Beal for Butler, there is literally no trade that is possible between these two teams. hes basically making it more likely that he just ends up staying with Miami past the deadline, and sits for the rest of the season. Does he think thats going to positively impact his next contract negotiations?

Jimmy can be great... but i think hes gotten too high off of his own supply. That doesnt usually work out

[AFM]

send the **** to the Wizards

ROFL, that’s dark bro.

Sure we'll take him if they take Kuzma.

[ryguy613]

They don't want Beal or other bad contract of the suns

At least Beal is drama free.

Beal is also not waiving his NTC. If Phoenix wants Butler and Miami doesn't like their options the deal will have to wait until the summer when Beal might be more open to moving so he doesn't have to move his family in the middle of the school year or be separated from them.

Its not even about whether or not Miami likes their options other than Beal... they literally cant match salaries unless its Beal, KD, or Booker. If Phoenix traded practically every other player on the roster besides those 3 guys, they might be able to get there... but then of course youd have Miami with WAY more players than they could fit into their current roster, and Phoenix would have WAY fewer players than are allowed to be on a roster by NBA rules... so again its not feasible to do that even if both sides wanted to, which of course they wouldnt. Its literally Beal or nothing for this trade to work, so if Beal says hes not leaving, there isnt a trade to be made.

[Big J]

At least Beal is drama free.

Beal is also not waiving his NTC. If Phoenix wants Butler and Miami doesn't like their options the deal will have to wait until the summer when Beal might be more open to moving so he doesn't have to move his family in the middle of the school year or be separated from them.

Its not even about whether or not Miami likes their options other than Beal... they literally cant match salaries unless its Beal, KD, or Booker. If Phoenix traded practically every other player on the roster besides those 3 guys, they might be able to get there... but then of course youd have Miami with WAY more players than they could fit into their current roster, and Phoenix would have WAY fewer players than are allowed to be on a roster by NBA rules... so again its not feasible to do that even if both sides wanted to, which of course they wouldnt. Its literally Beal or nothing for this trade to work, so if Beal says hes not leaving, there isnt a trade to be made.

Maybe Miami could extend Beal in order to get him to waive the NTC

[babyjax13]

At least Beal is drama free.

Beal is also not waiving his NTC. If Phoenix wants Butler and Miami doesn't like their options the deal will have to wait until the summer when Beal might be more open to moving so he doesn't have to move his family in the middle of the school year or be separated from them.

Its not even about whether or not Miami likes their options other than Beal... they literally cant match salaries unless its Beal, KD, or Booker. If Phoenix traded practically every other player on the roster besides those 3 guys, they might be able to get there... but then of course youd have Miami with WAY more players than they could fit into their current roster, and Phoenix would have WAY fewer players than are allowed to be on a roster by NBA rules... so again its not feasible to do that even if both sides wanted to, which of course they wouldnt. Its literally Beal or nothing for this trade to work, so if Beal says hes not leaving, there isnt a trade to be made.

Phoenix can't aggregate b/c of apron rules, too. The holdup is that they obviously won't trade Booker or Durant for Butler and Beal won't waive his NTC. It sounds like he'd be open to doing so in the summer.

[Meeksology]

I know you're a Suns fan and all, but you can't be this obtuse. The reason teams are backing off is because of what he's doing in Miami right now. He's literally scaring teams away.

Let's not twist things, teams are backing off because he is telling them he wont re-sign with them. That's it.

Like they backed off with Kawhi? Jimmy is a malcontent. No one wants that on their team. A happy Jimmy? Sure! A pissed off Jimmy? No way. If you don't think this plays a part, you're out of your mind.

I get ur a heat fan so there's bias and some vitriol in what u post. Jimmy IS a malcontent, ya..yet it's been reported that a few teams are still calling to make offers for him. Contending teams at that. The ONLY reason they are backing off is because he is telling them he will NOT re-sign. Thats it. Nothing else.

[Effigy]

Honestly, given how Miami encouraged Dame to do exactly this last year, this feels like well-earned Karma.

[SA37]

The opposite - Butler feels he deserves a contract extension very similar to what Paul George just got (+$200M / 4 years). He is also aware of the current cap situation and realizes no contender will be able to give him that type of contract situation without his bird rights.

Effectively Butler wants to be traded to a team who is fully prepared to give him $200M which would take him until he is 39 years old... Butler and his agent were granted permission to speak with other teams. The only team who has agreed to that size and length of contract is the Suns. Butler has determined his only viable option is PHX.

If butler doesn't get traded, he basically admitted he would opt in next year and continue to demand a trade to a team who will give him an extension.

The over-38 rule essentially limits the contract Butler can sign to 2 years. I believe the max is ~$112M.

[Laimbeer]

Completely mismanaged by Riley and the Heat. I don't blame Butler after the way he's been treated.

[KuruptedCav]

Which teams?

Grizzlies and Warriors


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[Flash4thewin]

The opposite - Butler feels he deserves a contract extension very similar to what Paul George just got (+$200M / 4 years). He is also aware of the current cap situation and realizes no contender will be able to give him that type of contract situation without his bird rights.

Effectively Butler wants to be traded to a team who is fully prepared to give him $200M which would take him until he is 39 years old... Butler and his agent were granted permission to speak with other teams. The only team who has agreed to that size and length of contract is the Suns. Butler has determined his only viable option is PHX.

If butler doesn't get traded, he basically admitted he would opt in next year and continue to demand a trade to a team who will give him an extension.

Wait when did this turn into a 200/4 thing? Jimmy just wanted to get a one year 50 extension from Pat. Thats how this whole mess started.

[Exp0sed]

Butler understands this is his last shot at a big contract. The only team open to giving him that contract is Phoenix so he is very aggressively trying to force his way there.

I don't think it will work but his behavior is intelligible. He's been as aggressive in pursuing his interest as the Sixers were during the peak Hinkie years. Hinkie and the Sixers didn't care at all how the other league stakeholders felt they were gunning for top picks. That's Butler and this contract.

it's intelligible but it's stupid. this isn't Butler's first rodeo and this time around he has really hurt his rep.his action make it so no other team (but a desperate team with a crazy desperate owner) would offer him that type of extention and to be fair, he doesn't deserve that extention. he's a part time player on his last legs, paying him 200m till he's 39 with how the cap is and 2nd apron issue is just wild

so he'll end up costing himself money. he should have gone to a contending team that wanted him, play-out the season there, hopefully play well in the postseason and then opt out and get a good offer on the open market