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Re: First EVER 30/20/20 game in the history of the NBA 

Post#121 » by JM00n69 » Sat Mar 8, 2025 2:59 pm

FarBeyondDriven wrote:it's pretty remarkable. However, this is the weakest era for centers in NBA history and the weakest era for basketball in general tbh so offensive numbers need to be taken with a grain of salt. It's like how 5k yards in a season by QBs used to be rare. Marino was the first to do it in 1984. Then it didn't happen again until the late 90s after rules changes and since, it's been done like 14 times. Just completely different sports.


That's not his fault though. But I do wonder how he'd he do against the greats. Imo he'd best Ewing/DRob/Zo/ just by his offence. Against Shaq/Yao you'd have him at PF and play a strong 5 to defend and take fouls. Hakeem/Timmy and KG would be only ones who'd match up individually imo.
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Re: First EVER 30/20/20 game in the history of the NBA 

Post#122 » by JM00n69 » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:01 pm

UglyBugBall wrote:Jokic is a stat chaser. Only reason he got this stat line is because he blew the lead against the tanking Suns and went to OT. A lot of his assists were also just passes to red hot shooters. Dominated the ball so he benefited from just dumping it to a flaming red roster. People used to rag about Westbrook stat padding, but Jokic puts him to shame. Great player, just like peak Russ was, but massively overrated by analytics.


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Re: First EVER 30/20/20 game in the history of the NBA 

Post#123 » by QPR » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:06 pm

JayMKE wrote:Think you forgot something, when you make a thread don’t just refer to X player simply as “he”


It could only be one player though
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Re: First EVER 30/20/20 game in the history of the NBA 

Post#124 » by KokoKaizer » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:12 pm

UglyBugBall wrote:Jokic is a stat chaser. Only reason he got this stat line is because he blew the lead against the tanking Suns and went to OT. A lot of his assists were also just passes to red hot shooters. Dominated the ball so he benefited from just dumping it to a flaming red roster. People used to rag about Westbrook stat padding, but Jokic puts him to shame. Great player, just like peak Russ was, but massively overrated by analytics.


:lol:

Jokic doesn't care bout stats, MVP or whatever, You're so wrong it's comical
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Re: First EVER 30/20/20 game in the history of the NBA 

Post#125 » by JM00n69 » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:18 pm

JM00n69 wrote:
UglyBugBall wrote:Jokic is a stat chaser. Only reason he got this stat line is because he blew the lead against the tanking Suns and went to OT. A lot of his assists were also just passes to red hot shooters. Dominated the ball so he benefited from just dumping it to a flaming red roster. People used to rag about Westbrook stat padding, but Jokic puts him to shame. Great player, just like peak Russ was, but massively overrated by analytics.




Definition: Jokic had the first ever 30/20/20 game. He played a key part throughout the game and sealed it from the first posession in OT. He set up his team mates thoughout the game and created them open shots. At the same time was the main ballhandler and playmaker.
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Post#126 » by AleksandarN » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:28 pm

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Big J wrote:Funny how when Westbrook did stuff like this we poo pooed it, but now that it’s Jokic we’re jizzing on him.

Must suck to be this bitter.


Nope, like pointing out double standards.

It’s sad that you have so much hate. You can’t recognize and congratulate a guy who made history. It’s sad bro. I can’t imagine having this much hate that you can’t appreciate the history and greatness that is right in front of you. It is sad.
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Post#127 » by Twizlers » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:29 pm

Jokic was also doubled on like every possession, of course he’s going to pass the ball. And of course he’s going to rack up assists from that, especially when it’s Jokic finding the perfect pass at the perfect time. You can’t call that stat padding- he is literally doing whatever the defense gives him.
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Post#128 » by JM00n69 » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:38 pm

It was good to see AG being healty and confident shooting the 3 this game. Need more of that tbh he can get himself in a hole offensively if he misses one or two but Jokic was feeding everyone today.

And to point out AG is by far the best PF Jokic has ever had but at 6'8 he's not exactly a rim protector. He is a lot better than the 35y/o Paul Millsap/Jeramy Grant before him and Kenneth Faried before him, that Jokic has had as his PF's. When people bring up his defence it always gets overlooked. Post defence is a two man job and all he's ever had is undersized fours that can't contest at the rim. Give him AD/Dennis/Draymond/Pau or Bosh even and it's gg everyone.
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Re: First EVER 30/20/20 game in the history of the NBA 

Post#129 » by JujitsuFlip » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:43 pm

JayMKE wrote:Think you forgot something, when you make a thread don’t just refer to X player simply as “he”
He is HIM.
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Post#130 » by JM00n69 » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:49 pm

Big J wrote:Funny how when Westbrook did stuff like this we poo pooed it, but now that it’s Jokic we’re jizzing on him.


Who bood it? The talking heads you listen to? Russ has averaged a triple double season four times in his career. Bet you though it was that one season only after KD left. He's one of the best rebounders at PG all time and he's always starting the break when he gets is. 7RPG avg over 17 years.
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Re: First EVER 30/20/20 game in the history of the NBA 

Post#131 » by tsherkin » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:50 pm

UglyBugBall wrote:Jokic is a stat chaser. Only reason he got this stat line is because he blew the lead against the tanking Suns and went to OT. A lot of his assists were also just passes to red hot shooters. Dominated the ball so he benefited from just dumping it to a flaming red roster. People used to rag about Westbrook stat padding, but Jokic puts him to shame. Great player, just like peak Russ was, but massively overrated by analytics.


This is a remarkably bad take. Yeah, the Suns were quite bad. That's fairly normal for a big game like this. Assists require guys to make shots. That's also... inescapably true. Basically, you're making a bunch of excuses for him having an incredible and basically unprecedented game.
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Re: First EVER 30/20/20 game in the history of the NBA 

Post#132 » by JM00n69 » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:52 pm

tsherkin wrote:
UglyBugBall wrote:Jokic is a stat chaser. Only reason he got this stat line is because he blew the lead against the tanking Suns and went to OT. A lot of his assists were also just passes to red hot shooters. Dominated the ball so he benefited from just dumping it to a flaming red roster. People used to rag about Westbrook stat padding, but Jokic puts him to shame. Great player, just like peak Russ was, but massively overrated by analytics.


This is a remarkably bad take. Yeah, the Suns were quite bad. That's fairly normal for a big game like this. Assists require guys to make shots. That's also... inescapably true. Basically, you're making a bunch of excuses for him having an incredible and basically unprecedented game.


LA fanboy, they get a pass. Always clueless and been destroyed by DEN so we get it's pure hate.
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Post#133 » by slick_watts » Sat Mar 8, 2025 3:53 pm

westbrook would stat pad to get triple doubles by stealing defensive rebounds off free throws, things like that with questionable in-game value. jokic being a 7' hub and his teammates paying off his passing for easy looks? come on.
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Post#134 » by JM00n69 » Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:05 pm

slick_watts wrote:westbrook would stat pad to get triple doubles by stealing defensive rebounds off free throws, things like that with questionable in-game value. jokic being a 7' hub and his teammates paying off his passing for easy looks? come on.


So for all those 4 years he averaged a triple dub he was just stealing rebounds off missed FTs? The three years when he averaged it at OKC they played Steven Adams at 5 and didn't have a decent PF. The team plan after a shot went up was for Adams to block out and Russ to crash the boards and start the break, which he was very good at.

That last year he averaged a triple dub at WAS idk, never watched them but were a bottom team so stats are infated 100%. It's still impressive though and throwing shade at someone for averaging a triple dub for four years is mad. Especially a PG.
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Post#135 » by slick_watts » Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:07 pm

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slick_watts wrote:westbrook would stat pad to get triple doubles by stealing defensive rebounds off free throws, things like that with questionable in-game value. jokic being a 7' hub and his teammates paying off his passing for easy looks? come on.


So for all those 4 years he averaged a triple dub he was just stealing rebounds off missed FTs? The three years when he averaged it at OKC they played Steven Adams at 5 and didn't have a decent PF. The team plan after a shot went up was for Adams to block out and Russ to crash the boards and start the break, which he was very good at.

That last year he averaged a triple dub at WAS idk, never watched them but were a bottom team so stats are infated 100%. It's still impressive though and throwing shade at someone for averaging a triple dub for four years is mad. Especially a PG.


i'm not throwing shade. i'm making a distinction. whether you believe westbrook was stat padding or not, the notion of stat padding by hogging defensive rebounds is much different than the notion of stat padding by producing quantifiable offense for your team.
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Post#136 » by tsherkin » Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:14 pm

JM00n69 wrote:That last year he averaged a triple dub at WAS idk, never watched them but were a bottom team so stats are infated 100%. It's still impressive though and throwing shade at someone for averaging a triple dub for four years is mad. Especially a PG.


So, speaking to that.

His last year with the Wizards was 2021, a triple-double year. 22.2 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 11.7 apg (league-high).

43.9% FG on 19.0 FGA/g, 31.5% on 4.2 3PA/g, 65.6% on 6.4 FTA/g, 50.9% TS (-6.3% rTS).

+2.6 OBPM, +1.2 O-EPM (60th in the league).

But you can already see why, I think, and it wasn't his playmaking which was the problem.

TB site is being a dick right now, but the short version is that his Box Creation and Passer Rating and all that tended to be quite good. He was indeed creating lots of shots for others. He was +3.1 over the second-place James Harden in potential assists.

The problem was that he was so profoundly incompetent as a 20+ ppg scorer that he was dragging the team down. And that Washington sucked. That was him, 60 games of Bradley Beal (that was a 72-game, shortened season), 57 games of Rui Hachimura and absolutely no one else of consequence. And they were still 17th in the league on offense.

Westbrook had fallen apart so badly as a scorer that his broader impact was limited, but his playmaking was not the issue, nor was he stat-padding that.
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Post#137 » by KGtabake » Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:16 pm

Now that Westbrook is on the same team, i hope he understands what a meaningful and impactful double triple double (or whatever double) means.
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Post#138 » by web123888 » Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:17 pm

hauntedcomputer wrote:
web123888 wrote:Nikola Jokic is the best center in NBA history.

May not end up with the most MVPs. Won’t end up with the most titles.

But nobody at his or any other position can do what he does at every phase of the offensive side of the ball.


I'd argue that Bill Russell is the equivalent or greater defensive savant comparable to Jokic's offense. Since Russell's output resulted in actual megabuttload of rings, I give the nod to Russell. And I'd still put Kareem ahead of Jokic. Results do matter, asterisks aside. The object of the game is to win, and to win championships, not log triple doubles.

Pretty nice accomplishment, though. Let's give it twenty years and see how it all ages. I'm perfectly willing to change my mind.

I agree it is but im not all that impressed with Jokic’s teammates. Murray and Porter Jr. aren’t real stars and are inconsistent.

If Jokic played in the superteam era and forced his way to certain teams / or forced his team to acquire certain stars/superstars I think he’d have 4-5 titles.
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Post#139 » by Ainosterhaspie » Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:19 pm

cpower wrote:the triple double double

Its a tripple score.
Score: a group or set of 20.
Only 7 Players in NBA history have 21,000 points, 5,750 assists and 5,750 rebounds. LeBron has double those numbers.
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Post#140 » by Mac1958 » Sat Mar 8, 2025 4:22 pm

web123888 wrote:Nikola Jokic is the best center in NBA history.

May not end up with the most MVPs. Won’t end up with the most titles.

But nobody at his or any other position can do what he does at every phase of the offensive side of the ball.


Yeah, I think I'm there now.

He's in the starting five.

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