Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team

[chrisab123]

The earliest Giannis can opt out is in two years. Bucks have the cards. Giannis can ask out but he can’t dictate where he wants to go. What is he going to do? Sit out the next two year?

How many times do we need to see these scenarios to know the team almost never holds the cards. The problem is Giannis is so popular and has done right by the team if the team doesn’t accommodate him it looks bad on the team. Unless he starts having his agent openly torching the team for not trading him to Miami but I’m guessing his agent learned from Dame’s agents mistake.

If he wants a trade the team will eventually have to accommodate him. Unfortunately for the Bucks, San Antonio is the perfect spot for him but I assure you he wants to go to NYC LA/GSW or Miami because that’s where everyone wants to go.

[Pointgod]

I think there was definitely a path to do this before Lillard got injured. The problem with everyone’s rush to trade Giannis is that the Bucks literally can’t rebuild because the Pelicans control their picks the next 2 years and the Blazers the next 3 years after that. So it’s not just simple as trading Giannis for picks and young players.

They're swaps, and those teams suck. Might not even convey.

They're not all swaps.

New Orleans owns a 2026 swap and then has the 2027 pick.

Portland has a 2028 swap, they own the 2029 pick and 2030 is a swap.

Thank you for clarifying. It’s the height of stupidity to go into a rebuild if you don’t own all of your picks. No Giannis, no depth and Dame out means that the Bucks will be a bad team in the short term at least if they don’t trade for immediate help.

[seren]

The earliest Giannis can opt out is in two years. Bucks have the cards. Giannis can ask out but he can’t dictate where he wants to go. What is he going to do? Sit out the next two year?

How many times do we need to see these scenarios to know the team almost never holds the cards. The problem is Giannis is so popular and has done right by the team if the team doesn’t accommodate him it looks bad on the team. Unless he starts having his agent openly torching the team for not trading him to Miami but I’m guessing his agent learned from Dame’s agents mistake.

If he wants a trade the team will eventually have to accommodate him. Unfortunately for the Bucks, San Antonio is the perfect spot for him but I assure you he wants to go to NYC LA/GSW or Miami because that’s where everyone wants to go.

How many times? Let’s go through this. Find me the number of times an MVP level player with two years of contract went to the place of their choice and the sending team ended up folding.

[Ron Swanson]

I remember when Anthony Davis "had all the leverage" with only 1-year left on his deal and even specifically narrowed it down to one team (LA). Guess what? New Orleans still got an absolute haul for him. Remember when 34-year old Kevin Durant wanted to go to Phoenix? Oh right, he also went for a haul despite having "all the leverage". But sure, this time will totally be different and the Bucks are just gonna accept whatever crap platter of assets for a Top-3 player in the world just cuz they wanna keep the "good vibes" with Giannis intact for when he comes back in 10-years to have his jersey retired, or something. Sure, Jan.

[FarBeyondDriven]

I remember when Anthony Davis "had all the leverage" with only 1-year left on his deal and even specifically narrowed it down to one team (LA). Guess what? New Orleans still got an absolute haul for him. Remember when 34-year old Kevin Durant wanted to go to Phoenix? Oh right, he also went for a haul despite having "all the leverage". But sure, this time will totally be different and the Bucks are just gonna accept whatever crap platter of assets for a Top-3 player in the world just cuz they wanna keep the "good vibes" with Giannis intact for when he comes back in 10-years to have his jersey retired, or something. Sure, Jan.

this is before the new CBA. It's very hard for teams to clear cap space and there's surprisingly few teams with the draft capital that are places Giannis would want to go to.

[CharityStripe34]

The earliest Giannis can opt out is in two years. Bucks have the cards. Giannis can ask out but he can’t dictate where he wants to go. What is he going to do? Sit out the next two year?

How many times do we need to see these scenarios to know the team almost never holds the cards. The problem is Giannis is so popular and has done right by the team if the team doesn’t accommodate him it looks bad on the team. Unless he starts having his agent openly torching the team for not trading him to Miami but I’m guessing his agent learned from Dame’s agents mistake.

If he wants a trade the team will eventually have to accommodate him. Unfortunately for the Bucks, San Antonio is the perfect spot for him but I assure you he wants to go to NYC LA/GSW or Miami because that’s where everyone wants to go.

Giannis is not a typical (American) superstar. If he was that desperate to go to a "glamor market" he would've done so already. He's repeatedly stated he enjoys Milwaukee, the city respects and loves him and he can actually go out with his family without getting hounded. IF he does want to get traded, it's because of the team construction and his preferred destinations would be somewhere with talent and good coaching. The inherent problem is that the Bucks are not going to accept some of the absolute nonsense trade proposals the hipster goof NBA media are throwing around. Least of all nearly a full 18 months before he's eligible for an extension.

This is even if he's to the point where he wants to be dealt, which I personally don't think so.

[RRyder823]

The earliest Giannis can opt out is in two years. Bucks have the cards. Giannis can ask out but he can’t dictate where he wants to go. What is he going to do? Sit out the next two year?

How many times do we need to see these scenarios to know the team almost never holds the cards. The problem is Giannis is so popular and has done right by the team if the team doesn’t accommodate him it looks bad on the team. Unless he starts having his agent openly torching the team for not trading him to Miami but I’m guessing his agent learned from Dame’s agents mistake.

If he wants a trade the team will eventually have to accommodate him. Unfortunately for the Bucks, San Antonio is the perfect spot for him but I assure you he wants to go to NYC LA/GSW or Miami because that’s where everyone wants to go.

I love how people continue to say things like that with supreme confidence with absolutely nothing other then "Well I'd prefer to live there" as their evidence




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[ConSarnit]

I remember when Anthony Davis "had all the leverage" with only 1-year left on his deal and even specifically narrowed it down to one team (LA). Guess what? New Orleans still got an absolute haul for him. Remember when 34-year old Kevin Durant wanted to go to Phoenix? Oh right, he also went for a haul despite having "all the leverage". But sure, this time will totally be different and the Bucks are just gonna accept whatever crap platter of assets for a Top-3 player in the world just cuz they wanna keep the "good vibes" with Giannis intact for when he comes back in 10-years to have his jersey retired, or something. Sure, Jan.

this is before the new CBA. It's very hard for teams to clear cap space and there's surprisingly few teams with the draft capital that are places Giannis would want to go to.

It might be somewhat hard to clear cap space 2 years from now but not impossible if you get tipped off that Giannis wants to come. We’re also due for the cap to jump about $30m+ over the next 2 seasons which makes carving out space easier than in the past.

Also, in this scenario Giannis incumbent team is also served by playing ball in a sign and trade because the other option of losing him for nothing. So if you are only getting Giannis for 2 years your offer is probably going to drop. This means that teams with lesser assets (but are teams where Giannis wants to be) will be able to close the gap.

The Bucks won’t accept a bad offer for Giannis but he’ll get to one of his top choices.

[ConSarnit]

The earliest Giannis can opt out is in two years. Bucks have the cards. Giannis can ask out but he can’t dictate where he wants to go. What is he going to do? Sit out the next two year?

How many times do we need to see these scenarios to know the team almost never holds the cards. The problem is Giannis is so popular and has done right by the team if the team doesn’t accommodate him it looks bad on the team. Unless he starts having his agent openly torching the team for not trading him to Miami but I’m guessing his agent learned from Dame’s agents mistake.

If he wants a trade the team will eventually have to accommodate him. Unfortunately for the Bucks, San Antonio is the perfect spot for him but I assure you he wants to go to NYC LA/GSW or Miami because that’s where everyone wants to go.

I love how people continue to say things like that with supreme confidence with absolutely nothing other then "Well I'd prefer to live there" as their evidence




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Or, you know, 50+ years of evidence of it happening over and over again.

[Ron Swanson]

Oh sure, we can look at history and just assume that every star wants to play in LA and New York. But when they use precedent for any blockbuster trade haul of guys in recent history (AD, Paul George), it becomes, "no it's different cuz the CBA" or something. Got it.

[RRyder823]

How many times do we need to see these scenarios to know the team almost never holds the cards. The problem is Giannis is so popular and has done right by the team if the team doesn’t accommodate him it looks bad on the team. Unless he starts having his agent openly torching the team for not trading him to Miami but I’m guessing his agent learned from Dame’s agents mistake.

If he wants a trade the team will eventually have to accommodate him. Unfortunately for the Bucks, San Antonio is the perfect spot for him but I assure you he wants to go to NYC LA/GSW or Miami because that’s where everyone wants to go.

I love how people continue to say things like that with supreme confidence with absolutely nothing other then "Well I'd prefer to live there" as their evidence




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Or, you know, 50+ years of evidence of it happening over and over again.

We have 50+ years of evidence for non American players forcing their way to large cities? Damn i must of been sleeping.

I guess your best examples would be Gasol and Luka with LA but niether actually forced their way their so good luck with that

"If" Giannis asks out his preferred destinations are gonna be to contenders in a state with no income tax or low cost of living areas. NY and LA don't fit that bill.

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[th87]

Giannis might be stuck.

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Not exactly breaking news. They're not just going to give him away if he even requests to be traded.

Yeah, the Bucks are in a bind here. No way they get exact value but if at all traded even with less value is still a good trade since that's better than... nothing? Oh well. We've seen this movie before: player's prime wasted by the team.

His prime was wasted by the team? He requested help and got them to acquire Holiday, and then Dame. He was behind the coaching changes. This is on him as much as anyone.

And there is no real difference between getting mediocre assets to top out as mid-level playoff team versus being really bad. I'd rather roll the dice that they find diamonds in the rough, fire Doc, and Giannis goes nuclear in the playoffs.

[WargamesX]

Not exactly breaking news. They're not just going to give him away if he even requests to be traded.

Yeah, the Bucks are in a bind here. No way they get exact value but if at all traded even with less value is still a good trade since that's better than... nothing? Oh well. We've seen this movie before: player's prime wasted by the team.

His prime was wasted by the team? He requested help and got them to acquire Holiday, and then Dame. He was behind the coaching changes. This is on him as much as anyone.

And there is no real difference between getting mediocre assets to top out as mid-level playoff team versus being really bad. I'd rather roll the dice that they find diamonds in the rough, fire Doc, and Giannis goes nuclear in the playoffs.

The only teams that can pull this is the spurs and the thunder

[th87]

How many times do we need to see these scenarios to know the team almost never holds the cards. The problem is Giannis is so popular and has done right by the team if the team doesn’t accommodate him it looks bad on the team. Unless he starts having his agent openly torching the team for not trading him to Miami but I’m guessing his agent learned from Dame’s agents mistake.

If he wants a trade the team will eventually have to accommodate him. Unfortunately for the Bucks, San Antonio is the perfect spot for him but I assure you he wants to go to NYC LA/GSW or Miami because that’s where everyone wants to go.

I love how people continue to say things like that with supreme confidence with absolutely nothing other then "Well I'd prefer to live there" as their evidence




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Or, you know, 50+ years of evidence of it happening over and over again.

Giannis didn't grow up here with the firehose of coastal propaganda.

His values are different.

[KGtabake]

Not exactly breaking news. They're not just going to give him away if he even requests to be traded.

Yeah, the Bucks are in a bind here. No way they get exact value but if at all traded even with less value is still a good trade since that's better than... nothing? Oh well. We've seen this movie before: player's prime wasted by the team.

His prime was wasted by the team? He requested help and got them to acquire Holiday, and then Dame. He was behind the coaching changes. This is on him as much as anyone.

And there is no real difference between getting mediocre assets to top out as mid-level playoff team versus being really bad. I'd rather roll the dice that they find diamonds in the rough, fire Doc, and Giannis goes nuclear in the playoffs.

But you won't fire Doc.
You would have done it already. You didn't.
And now you're going to waste the next 2 seasons of a top15 all time player.

[th87]

The earliest Giannis can opt out is in two years. Bucks have the cards. Giannis can ask out but he can’t dictate where he wants to go. What is he going to do? Sit out the next two year?

How many times do we need to see these scenarios to know the team almost never holds the cards. The problem is Giannis is so popular and has done right by the team if the team doesn’t accommodate him it looks bad on the team. Unless he starts having his agent openly torching the team for not trading him to Miami but I’m guessing his agent learned from Dame’s agents mistake.

If he wants a trade the team will eventually have to accommodate him. Unfortunately for the Bucks, San Antonio is the perfect spot for him but I assure you he wants to go to NYC LA/GSW or Miami because that’s where everyone wants to go.

Among casuals, sure. Real heads know Giannis was behind the Jrue trade, the Dame trade, the coaching hires and more.

The current mess is rife with his fingerprints. The Bucks don't owe him any extra consideration - they did everything he asked.

[th87]

Yeah, the Bucks are in a bind here. No way they get exact value but if at all traded even with less value is still a good trade since that's better than... nothing? Oh well. We've seen this movie before: player's prime wasted by the team.

His prime was wasted by the team? He requested help and got them to acquire Holiday, and then Dame. He was behind the coaching changes. This is on him as much as anyone.

And there is no real difference between getting mediocre assets to top out as mid-level playoff team versus being really bad. I'd rather roll the dice that they find diamonds in the rough, fire Doc, and Giannis goes nuclear in the playoffs.

But you won't fire Doc.
You would have done it already. You didn't.
And now you're going to waste the next 2 seasons of a top15 all time player.

Horst wanted Atkinson and was overruled by ownership. Then after the results of that blunder became evident, Horst got a massive extension.

That either means ownership admitted Horst was right and will let him cook going forward, or Horst is okay being a yes-man for their idiocy (I don't think he'd do that, since he was close to getting the Detroit job until the Bucks blocked him, which implies he has options).

So there's some hope Doc is on the hot seat. He could be fired mid-season. Prunty is a fine enough assistant to do the obvious (which eluded Doc).

[Dan Z]

They're swaps, and those teams suck. Might not even convey.

They're not all swaps.

New Orleans owns a 2026 swap and then has the 2027 pick.

Portland has a 2028 swap, they own the 2029 pick and 2030 is a swap.

Thank you for clarifying. It’s the height of stupidity to go into a rebuild if you don’t own all of your picks. No Giannis, no depth and Dame out means that the Bucks will be a bad team in the short term at least if they don’t trade for immediate help.

That's why I think they need to get New Orleans involved.

Either way a Giannis trade needs to give them a glimmer of hope going forward.

[KGtabake]

The earliest Giannis can opt out is in two years. Bucks have the cards. Giannis can ask out but he can’t dictate where he wants to go. What is he going to do? Sit out the next two year?

How many times do we need to see these scenarios to know the team almost never holds the cards. The problem is Giannis is so popular and has done right by the team if the team doesn’t accommodate him it looks bad on the team. Unless he starts having his agent openly torching the team for not trading him to Miami but I’m guessing his agent learned from Dame’s agents mistake.

If he wants a trade the team will eventually have to accommodate him. Unfortunately for the Bucks, San Antonio is the perfect spot for him but I assure you he wants to go to NYC LA/GSW or Miami because that’s where everyone wants to go.

Among casuals, sure. Real heads know Giannis was behind the Jrue trade, the Dame trade, the coaching hires and more.

The current mess is rife with his fingerprints. The Bucks don't owe him any extra consideration - they did everything he asked.

No, that's just your opinion.
Real heads know that Jrue, Khris and all his teammates went to his wedding last summer and Middleton in particular is his best man.
If these guys were dealt by Giannis they wouldn't be so close with him. Common sense.

Giannis always wanted the team to be able to contend. He didn't ask the Bucks to trade someone in particular.

Giannis didn't ask you to trade his best man to get Kuzma to get under the appron. You could have dealt Connaughton if you really tried. You didn't.

Just like he didn't ask you to hire Doc. You said that your ownership was behind this.

And Giannis is the reason the Bucks are relevant. Nobody else. You'll realise this if he walks.

[Bernman]

I think it's very probable Giannis plays for the Bucks until the deadline or rest of next season. The only thing that may change that is if the Bucks' brass at this meeting try to sell Giannis on a gap yr, like many who've wanted him out of Milwaukee for years have suggested.

The Bucks were +21 w/ Giannis & KPJ. on the floor, good for 12th in the NBA of 2-man units. 7 of the 11 ahead of them were on OKC. There were a few other Bucks in double-digits w/ Giannis. But the genius coach deployed the guys who were in the low to mid single digits (1 being Dame, so don't know how big of an on-court loss that is), & one (Jackson) was even negative while starting half the year. Doc was infatuated w/ the jumbo lineup that cratered the team. In the regular season sometimes the alternative dug them out of deep holes. The one time it was tried from the start in the postseason a win literally slipped thru their hands on the road against the team that embarrassed the #1 seed the next round.

You sell him on what the alternative lineups did, as well as FA's (Horst's strong-suit), & a different coach could do. Giannis loves some crap coaches, as long as they were former players, & he liked them personally. Well then he can't simultaneously be dissatisfied w/ not winning maximally. They can/very probably will try to at least the middle of next season in the post-Dame (pivot), hopefully Doc era, then reassess.