Do you consider Jordans Bulls a Super Team?

[MavsDirk41]

The mental gymnastics to explain to explain how a team that won 55 games and almost made ECF when they replaced Jordan with Pete Myers is not actually a superteam are just so funny to me. Myers was selected in the 6th round of the draft, had done nothing in his NBA career until 1993, had spent the previous two seasons playing in Italy and ended up averaging 8 PPG on poor efficiency when he played for the Bulls in 1993/94. If any other modern star's team had been as good when he left and he was replaced by such a scrub everyone would say they were a superteam before he left.

So that same superteam was 34-31 before Jordan came back in March of 95.

It wasn't the same team, they lost Horace Grant for nothing.

So losing Horace Grant, which meant Toni played more minutes and was more productive, made the team a .500 ball club? Maybe they overachieved a little in 93/94?

[MavsDirk41]

Brother, what’s the point of acting like this wasn’t one of the greatest teams of all time?

They aren’t a super team because Harper was their 4th to 5th best option. They’re a super team because they had the MVP, their second best player got the fifth most MVp votes, they had three all nba first teamers, the sixth man of the year, and one of the greatest coaches of all time and none of these people are named Ron Harper.

They literally were title contenders two years prior

You literally brought up Ron Harper not me lol!

Bulls 1st 3 peat was not a superteam even if they did have BJ Armstrong lol.

Bulls 2nd 3 peat was more of superteam then the 1st 3 peat. But;

Bulls acquired Rodman for Will Perdue. Why? Because San Antonio just wanted to get rid of him. And, he only played 49 games for the Spurs his last year in San Antonio.

Rodman was great playing with Jordan and Pippen. He also missed 18 games during the 95/96 season and they still won 72 games. He missed 27 games during the 96/97 season and they still won 60 games.

Pippen only played 44 games during the 97/98 season and reinjured his back during the finals. Jordan played 82 all 3 years including every playoff game.

The Bulls drafted Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Kukoc, and Armstrong….and yes Jackson is a HOF coach and deserves just as much credit as any player but the Bulls were his first coaching gig.

If the Bulls were a superstar at least it was done without superstar collusion.

Jordan didn’t play an entire season and they were a win away from beating the eventual conference champions…

Jordan played 82 in 95/96
Jordan played 82 in 96/97
Jordan played 82 in 97/98

Having a discussion with a lebron james fan on here is something else

[MavsDirk41]

He still won the rebounding title that year, his 7th consecutive. Either he wasn't a shell of his former self or it just shows how bad the league really was at the time.

andre drummond was the league leading rebounder multiple years.
was he a all star level player?
or it just shows how bad the league really was at the time.

Drummond's 4 rebounding titles was when he was 23yrs old 24, 25 and 26

Rodman's last 4 was when he was 33, 34, 35 and 36.

If Rodman was a shell, then that means the talent level was severely lacking in which many will agree that it was.

Back to the drawing board for ya

We are watching an nba finals where SGA, Haliburton, Siakam, Turner, Chet Holmgren, and Jaylen Williams are the headliners and you are talking about the league lacking talent in the 90s? Lol ok

[DimesandKnicks]

You literally brought up Ron Harper not me lol!

Bulls 1st 3 peat was not a superteam even if they did have BJ Armstrong lol.

Bulls 2nd 3 peat was more of superteam then the 1st 3 peat. But;

Bulls acquired Rodman for Will Perdue. Why? Because San Antonio just wanted to get rid of him. And, he only played 49 games for the Spurs his last year in San Antonio.

Rodman was great playing with Jordan and Pippen. He also missed 18 games during the 95/96 season and they still won 72 games. He missed 27 games during the 96/97 season and they still won 60 games.

Pippen only played 44 games during the 97/98 season and reinjured his back during the finals. Jordan played 82 all 3 years including every playoff game.

The Bulls drafted Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Kukoc, and Armstrong….and yes Jackson is a HOF coach and deserves just as much credit as any player but the Bulls were his first coaching gig.

If the Bulls were a superstar at least it was done without superstar collusion.

Jordan didn’t play an entire season and they were a win away from beating the eventual conference champions…

Jordan played 82 in 95/96
Jordan played 82 in 96/97
Jordan played 82 in 97/98

Having a discussion with a lebron james fan on here is something else

I’m not a LeBron James fan, just capable of objectivity. And I’m clearly talking about MJ’s first retirement. How do you miss that?

[Heej]

They were a super team in their era. First threepeat had 2 first team caliber guys and 2 fringe all stars in an era where most contenders had 1 first team caliber guys and an all star

[MavsDirk41]

Jordan didn’t play an entire season and they were a win away from beating the eventual conference champions…

Jordan played 82 in 95/96
Jordan played 82 in 96/97
Jordan played 82 in 97/98

Having a discussion with a lebron james fan on here is something else

I’m not a LeBron James fan, just capable of objectivity. And I’m clearly talking about MJ’s first retirement. How do you miss that?

Because you brought up Ron Harper….no?

[jkvonny]

May I add?

As a Spurs fan, Dennis Rodman sucked for us in the playoffs. Both years. Great rebounder, tho.
He was s lockerroom cancer. Not even David Robinson liked him lol. DRob! And DRob liked a lot of ppl.
A distraction on and off the court. He was an odd fit for our team and city.
But, hey! Thanks for Will Perdue, Chicago! We were finally able to get over the hump in 1999.
Ssn Antonio Spurs first NBA title ever.

[DimesandKnicks]

Jordan played 82 in 95/96
Jordan played 82 in 96/97
Jordan played 82 in 97/98

Having a discussion with a lebron james fan on here is something else

I’m not a LeBron James fan, just capable of objectivity. And I’m clearly talking about MJ’s first retirement. How do you miss that?

Because you brought up Ron Harper….no?

You bored bro?

[PistolPeteJR]

No.

I believe super teams must have 3+ All Stars or All NBA players. Jordan only had Pippen (and Rodman for a bit).

Having Rodman for 3 chips is a bit?

Rodman was 35/36/37 years old during the second 3-peat and was past his prime defensively. He was still a rebounding machine but contributed next to nothing offensively. He never made an All Star team let alone an All NBA team as a Bull.

Oh that's the narrative now? That he wasn't a terrific defender still and top-3 rebounder in the league?

Come on man, there's a reason those 96-98 teams are mentioned as "Jordan, Pippen, Rodman".

[NZB2323]

I'm gonna say no. Rodman was in his mid-30s and past his prime when he joined Chicago. And dude was a shell of his former self in 1998.

He still won the rebounding title that year, his 7th consecutive. Either he wasn't a shell of his former self or it just shows how bad the league really was at the time.

He also still made first team all defense and even managed to get FMVP votes.

Not in 1998.

[jbsays]

That was before the term super team came about. Were they super team? Considering they won 3 in a row and more recent super teams never did then I guess you'd have to consider them one.

There were a lot of stacked teams in the 80s though...
Lakers with Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Byron Scott, Mcadoo off the bench.
Celtics with Bird, McHale, DJ, Parrish.
76ers had Dr J, Moses Malone, and Toney won chmpionship going 12-1 in playoffs. Two years later they added Barkley.

On paper those teams probably look more stacked than 91-93 Bulls, but would they beat them in a 7 game series?

[OriginalRed]

The 1st three peat Bulls absolutely not but the 2nd 3 peat absolutely were in comparison to the rest of the league (as opposed to like the KD warriors).

55 wins in 93-94

Are you joking? Winning 55 games is absolutely no indicator of a team being a "Super Team". They had just a really good coach and a solid supporting cast. That'd be like calling the 2019 Raptors a super team because they were able to win 59 games the year before Kawhi got there or that 60 win Atlata team a super team.

[Curmudgeon]

Yes, because they had Jordan and Pippin, plus Tex Winter to teach them the triangle.

[Bergmaniac]

The 1st three peat Bulls absolutely not but the 2nd 3 peat absolutely were in comparison to the rest of the league (as opposed to like the KD warriors).

55 wins in 93-94

Are you joking? Winning 55 games is absolutely no indicator of a team being a "Super Team". They had just a really good coach and a solid supporting cast. That'd be like calling the 2019 Raptors a super team because they were able to win 59 games the year before Kawhi got there or that 60 win Atlata team a super team.

Winning 55 teams after replacing Jordan with a scrub like Pete Myers is certainly an indicator of a super team.

[ScrantonBulls]

The 1st three peat Bulls absolutely not but the 2nd 3 peat absolutely were in comparison to the rest of the league (as opposed to like the KD warriors).

55 wins in 93-94

Are you joking? Winning 55 games is absolutely no indicator of a team being a "Super Team". They had just a really good coach and a solid supporting cast. That'd be like calling the 2019 Raptors a super team because they were able to win 59 games the year before Kawhi got there or that 60 win Atlata team a super team.

They lost Michael Freaking Jordan in his prime for nothing and still managed to win 55 games. That 93-94 team had 3 all-stars that were all part of the 1st 3-peat. That's how good the supporting cast was on that first 3-peat.

Did you forgot the part about the Raptors trading back to back to back all-star DeMar DeRozan for Kawhi? Acting like they just got Kawhi for nothing a bit disingenuous, but ok.

[Special_Puppy]

He had the best supporting cast in the league in 1992+1996+1996. Whether that qualifies as a superteam I don’t know

[The4thHorseman]

As another poster pointed out there's differences between teams and superteams.

The 2004 Lakers were a superteam while the 1998 Lakers with 4 All-Stars were not.
The 2013 Lakers were a superteam while the 2009 Lakers were not.

The 2018-2019 Warriors were a superteam(probably the best example in NBA history)
Thompson(2018 All-Star)
Curry(2018 All-Star)
Green(2018 All-Star)
Cousins(2018 All-Star)
Durant(2018 All-Star)

while the 2015 Warriors were not
Lee(2013 All-Star)
Thompson(2015 All-Star)
Iguodala(2012 All-Star)
Curry(2014 All-Star)
Green(2016 All-Star)

You can be a superteam and NOT win the title as per the 2018-2019 Warriors example. You can be a superteam and have substandard players on your rotation, as the Warriors had knuckleheads like Javale McGee, Nick Young and Jordan Bell playing meaningful minutes on their rosters.

The Bulls were no superteam, they are retroactively deemed as such given their success. Few GMs cared about post-All Star Harper and locker room poison in Rodman.

Exactly. One great example is Kawhi getting traded to the Raptors. He had as good of a supporting cast that any star could possibly hope for in Toronto, yet not a single person was calling the Raptors a superteam, because they simply didn’t meet the criteria of 3 or more superstars joining together. Superteam has never been about how good the team actually is, it’s always been about who is on the team and how the team was formed.

If that's the criteria, then what team(s) are considered superteams? Can't say the 2011 Heat cause Chris Bosh was never considered a superstar and definitely didn't put up stats/play like one while with Miami. Wade didn't play like one in 2013 or 2014

[ShootersShoot]

55 wins in 93-94

Are you joking? Winning 55 games is absolutely no indicator of a team being a "Super Team". They had just a really good coach and a solid supporting cast. That'd be like calling the 2019 Raptors a super team because they were able to win 59 games the year before Kawhi got there or that 60 win Atlata team a super team.

They lost Michael Freaking Jordan in his prime for nothing and still managed to win 55 games. That 93-94 team had 3 all-stars that were all part of the 1st 3-peat. That's how good the supporting cast was on that first 3-peat.

Did you forgot the part about the Raptors trading back to back to back all-star DeMar DeRozan for Kawhi? Acting like they just got Kawhi for nothing a bit disingenuous, but ok.

Am I a bit crazy to believe the 2019 raps were a superteam with kawhi?

Lowry and fvv point guard rotation - incredible
Danny green and powell sg rotation - decent to solid
Kawhi OG sf rotation - elite
Siakam, gasol, ibaka frontcourt rotation - very, very good

So basically two all stars, one future all star, one former all star, plus a role player with championship experience as a starter in the SL..four starting level players off the bench.

They also won 53 games the next season after kawhi left and that is with 6 of the top 7 players for the 2020 raps missing at least 20 games each.

[SkyBill40]

Simple answer is no.

[Wingy]

Somebody said BJ Armstrong

When people cite BJ being an all star, they lose all credibility.

That was all Bulls dynasty popularity + pure fan vote at the time + the guy had a baby face and looked like a kid.