Stockton says LeBrons titles don’t have value

[MavsDirk41]

Stockton played in the watered down ‘90s with a HOF teammate and still couldn’t sneak out a ring.

Watered down 90s lol

What team had more talent in the eastern conference then the 2010-2014 Miami Heat and the 2015-2018 Cleveland Cavaliers? The east was kind of “watered down” wouldn’t ya say?

5 teams lost 60 games in the Western Conference in 1998. That’s almost half of the teams in the conference. lol

Lebron has never played in a league that bad, not even the eastern conference.

The ‘90s were a Mickey Mouse era propped up by MJ’s marketing department.

So your not gonna answer my question? Who in the east had more talent then James with Wade, Bosh, Irving, and Love during those years?

Who did they face? Paul George, Roy Hibbert, and David West Pacers? Al Horford, Jeff Teague, and Josh Smith Hawks? Lowry, and Derozan Raptors? Rookie Jason Tatum, second year Brown, and Scary Terry Celtics?

[Johnny Bball]

Well, he's just some old guy shaking his fist at the clouds lol

Stockton and anyone else who hate LeBron would be happier if LeBron stayed in CLE his entire career and never won a title.

It is the oddest thing I've ever seen.

Again, you have no idea that this is true and from all we saw it probably isn't.

This is a basketball forum, everyone is yelling at clouds, they just vary in age!

And you have no idea that it's not true. But LeBron never winning is what all who despise him wanted, for sure.

He just happened to be too good and took 3 franchises, with 3 different coaches, and 3 different sidekicks to the top. Kudos to him, GOAT.

You don't seem to understand how this works. I wasn't the one propagating the fantasy that he never wins. That who you would seem to think is the goat, somehow would never win. Even as ownership had just recently changed. Is he the goat in your mind or isn't he?

[JujitsuFlip]

Again, you have no idea that this is true and from all we saw it probably isn't.

This is a basketball forum, everyone is yelling at clouds, they just vary in age!

And you have no idea that it's not true. But LeBron never winning is what all who despise him wanted, for sure.

He just happened to be too good and took 3 franchises, with 3 different coaches, and 3 different sidekicks to the top. Kudos to him, GOAT.

You don't seem to understand how this works. I wasn't the one propagating the fantasy that he never wins. That who you would seem to think is the goat, somehow would never win. Even as ownership had just recently changed. Is he the goat in your mind or isn't he?

Dan Gilbert bought the Cavs in 2005 and LeBron left in 2010, how is that recent? lmao

Yup, GOAT. Tell me another player who won titles with 3 different teams... Horry and Danny Green come to mind, name whoever else you want.

LeBron did it as the man 3 times, GOAT.

[Johnny Bball]

And you have no idea that it's not true. But LeBron never winning is what all who despise him wanted, for sure.

He just happened to be too good and took 3 franchises, with 3 different coaches, and 3 different sidekicks to the top. Kudos to him, GOAT.

You don't seem to understand how this works. I wasn't the one propagating the fantasy that he never wins. That who you would seem to think is the goat, somehow would never win. Even as ownership had just recently changed. Is he the goat in your mind or isn't he?

Dan Gilbert bought the Cavs in 2005 and LeBron left in 2010, how is that recent? lmao

Yup, GOAT. Tell me another player who won titles with 3 different teaHorry ms... and Danny Green come to mind, name whoever else you want.

LeBron did it as the man 3 times, GOAT.

You're going to figure it all out to win instantly and get enough of you investment back in 4 years? Gilbert literally did figure it out after 2010. So got it, James is the goat, but would NEVER had won if he stayed in Cleveland, even though he won in Cleveland. Good lord man...at least try to be slightly objective. Yeah you lol you ass off while not actually even thinking 5 year contracts can impact 4 year plans.

Yep, roll players that get traded frequently have won with different team. Just as the goat that colluded to win, but could never win without collusion, even though he's the goat. I think I understand the pretzel logic... that it isn't logic.

[Godymas]

of the 4 titles LeBron earned, only 1 would really be viewed as a "true" title which is 2016

2012 and 2013 were a result of LeBron stacking the deck and he still got incredibly fortunate in 2013 with arguably the greatest shot in NBA history

2020 is the fakest title in NBA history, no NBA season has ever had a 3 month break between the regular season and playoffs. It's complete nonsense. No NBA season will ever have a 3 month break between the regular season and playoffs barring another freak global incident.

[doogie_hauser]

Johnny Stockton is an anti vac/anti science and somewhat ignorant person

Not a fan of Lebron or how he went about winning his rings aside from the fairytale Cleveland chip but this is just nonsense from Stockton

Feels like Tall Poppy Syndrome from an inferior player and far inferior human being.

[DwayneSchintzus]

John Stockton's no titles have no value, either

[UcanUwill]

Was it Tim Bontemps who just talked about Morey saying Bubble championship has asterisk and he said - If you did not win a single one, maybe do not taint the ones others have won...

And by the way, Morey did not say that it should have Asterisk in his own opinion, so Morey was just misquoted. This just seems petty, I wonder is Stockton misquoted too, because this is just freaking ridiculously asinine take otherwise. What a sore loser thing to say if true.

[UcanUwill]

of the 4 titles LeBron earned, only 1 would really be viewed as a "true" title which is 2016

2012 and 2013 were a result of LeBron stacking the deck and he still got incredibly fortunate in 2013 with arguably the greatest shot in NBA history

2020 is the fakest title in NBA history, no NBA season has ever had a 3 month break between the regular season and playoffs. It's complete nonsense. No NBA season will ever have a 3 month break between the regular season and playoffs barring another freak global incident.

So 2020 title is different, it does not make it fake.

[MavsDirk41]

And you have no idea that it's not true. But LeBron never winning is what all who despise him wanted, for sure.

He just happened to be too good and took 3 franchises, with 3 different coaches, and 3 different sidekicks to the top. Kudos to him, GOAT.

You don't seem to understand how this works. I wasn't the one propagating the fantasy that he never wins. That who you would seem to think is the goat, somehow would never win. Even as ownership had just recently changed. Is he the goat in your mind or isn't he?

Dan Gilbert bought the Cavs in 2005 and LeBron left in 2010, how is that recent? lmao

Yup, GOAT. Tell me another player who won titles with 3 different teams... Horry and Danny Green come to mind, name whoever else you want.

LeBron did it as the man 3 times, GOAT.

Jordan has 2 3 peats winning 6 championships in 8 years as the best player on the team while never being outplayed by the best player on the opposing team. Who else did that? Russell?

[JujitsuFlip]

You don't seem to understand how this works. I wasn't the one propagating the fantasy that he never wins. That who you would seem to think is the goat, somehow would never win. Even as ownership had just recently changed. Is he the goat in your mind or isn't he?

Dan Gilbert bought the Cavs in 2005 and LeBron left in 2010, how is that recent? lmao

Yup, GOAT. Tell me another player who won titles with 3 different teaHorry ms... and Danny Green come to mind, name whoever else you want.

LeBron did it as the man 3 times, GOAT.

You're going to figure it all out to win instantly and get enough of you investment back in 4 years? Gilbert literally did figure it out after 2010. So got it, James is the goat, but would NEVER had won if he stayed in Cleveland, even though he won in Cleveland. Good lord man...at least try to be slightly objective. Yeah you lol you ass off while not actually even thinking 5 year contracts can impact 4 year plans.

Yep, roll players that get traded frequently have won with different team. Just as the goat that colluded to win, but could never win without collusion, even though he's the goat. I think I understand the pretzel logic... that it isn't logic.

It's not hard to follow, if you want to.

Do the Cavs have the opportunity to draft Kyrie if LeBron stays? I'll answer for you, no.

Do the Cavs have the opportunity to draft Wiggins if LeBron stays? I'll answer for you, no.

Do the Cavs have the opportunity to draft Bennett if LeBron stays? I'll answer for you, no.

Do the Cavs have the opportunity to draft Waiters if LeBron stays? I'll answer for you, no.

Do the Cavs sign Jon Leuer if LeBron stays? I'll answer for you, no.

[jbk1234]

He beat a 72-win team, on the road, in Game 7. That has value.

[JujitsuFlip]

You don't seem to understand how this works. I wasn't the one propagating the fantasy that he never wins. That who you would seem to think is the goat, somehow would never win. Even as ownership had just recently changed. Is he the goat in your mind or isn't he?

Dan Gilbert bought the Cavs in 2005 and LeBron left in 2010, how is that recent? lmao

Yup, GOAT. Tell me another player who won titles with 3 different teams... Horry and Danny Green come to mind, name whoever else you want.

LeBron did it as the man 3 times, GOAT.

Jordan has 2 3 peats winning 6 championships in 8 years as the best player on the team while never being outplayed by the best player on the opposing team. Who else did that? Russell?

No one cares, the GOAT of professional basketball should never be a guy who quit the sport to go play 2 different sports, at an amateur level and fail lol get real.

[JujitsuFlip]

He beat a 72-win team, on the road, in Game 7. That has value.

One better, they were a 73 win team.

[MavsDirk41]

Dan Gilbert bought the Cavs in 2005 and LeBron left in 2010, how is that recent? lmao

Yup, GOAT. Tell me another player who won titles with 3 different teams... Horry and Danny Green come to mind, name whoever else you want.

LeBron did it as the man 3 times, GOAT.

Jordan has 2 3 peats winning 6 championships in 8 years as the best player on the team while never being outplayed by the best player on the opposing team. Who else did that? Russell?

No one cares, the GOAT of professional basketball should never be a guy who quit the sport to go play 2 different sports, at an amateur level and fail lol get real.

And the goat of the National Basketball Association should never:

Be outplayed by my man Dirk in the finals
Be the second best player on his team in the finals
Have a 4-6 finals record
Collude with/recruit other all star players to stack the deck
Call himself the goat cause he is insecure

Lol get real

[Godymas]

of the 4 titles LeBron earned, only 1 would really be viewed as a "true" title which is 2016

2012 and 2013 were a result of LeBron stacking the deck and he still got incredibly fortunate in 2013 with arguably the greatest shot in NBA history

2020 is the fakest title in NBA history, no NBA season has ever had a 3 month break between the regular season and playoffs. It's complete nonsense. No NBA season will ever have a 3 month break between the regular season and playoffs barring another freak global incident.

So 2020 title is different, it does not make it fake.

it is fake, i've made my decision, doesn't matter if in that year it was competitive integrity. Compared to every other year in NBA history it destroys the integrity due to a free off-season between the regular season and the playoffs. There was no marathon that year, it was two short bursts.

[Rust_Cohle]

You don't seem to understand how this works. I wasn't the one propagating the fantasy that he never wins. That who you would seem to think is the goat, somehow would never win. Even as ownership had just recently changed. Is he the goat in your mind or isn't he?

Dan Gilbert bought the Cavs in 2005 and LeBron left in 2010, how is that recent? lmao

Yup, GOAT. Tell me another player who won titles with 3 different teaHorry ms... and Danny Green come to mind, name whoever else you want.

LeBron did it as the man 3 times, GOAT.

You're going to figure it all out to win instantly and get enough of you investment back in 4 years? Gilbert literally did figure it out after 2010. So got it, James is the goat, but would NEVER had won if he stayed in Cleveland, even though he won in Cleveland. Good lord man...at least try to be slightly objective. Yeah you lol you ass off while not actually even thinking 5 year contracts can impact 4 year plans.

Yep, roll players that get traded frequently have won with different team. Just as the goat that colluded to win, but could never win without collusion, even though he's the goat. I think I understand the pretzel logic... that it isn't logic.

Absolutely ethered him

[UcanUwill]

of the 4 titles LeBron earned, only 1 would really be viewed as a "true" title which is 2016

2012 and 2013 were a result of LeBron stacking the deck and he still got incredibly fortunate in 2013 with arguably the greatest shot in NBA history

2020 is the fakest title in NBA history, no NBA season has ever had a 3 month break between the regular season and playoffs. It's complete nonsense. No NBA season will ever have a 3 month break between the regular season and playoffs barring another freak global incident.

So 2020 title is different, it does not make it fake.

it is fake, i've made my decision, doesn't matter if in that year it was competitive integrity. Compared to every other year in NBA history it destroys the integrity due to a free off-season between the regular season and the playoffs. There was no marathon that year, it was two short bursts.

All contenders were playing, circumstances were the same for everyone, they played basketball games.

[Iwasawitness]

of the 4 titles LeBron earned, only 1 would really be viewed as a "true" title which is 2016

2012 and 2013 were a result of LeBron stacking the deck and he still got incredibly fortunate in 2013 with arguably the greatest shot in NBA history

2020 is the fakest title in NBA history, no NBA season has ever had a 3 month break between the regular season and playoffs. It's complete nonsense. No NBA season will ever have a 3 month break between the regular season and playoffs barring another freak global incident.

2012 and 2013 don't have value because he "stacked the deck", even though his team went into the 2012 finals as the underdogs, and they were one Ray Allen three away from losing in 2013?

I've said it before and I'll say it again: 90% of you don't know what stacking the deck means.

Your 2020 argument is too laughable to put any time into explaining why it's wrong (which it is btw).

[Johnny Bball]

Dan Gilbert bought the Cavs in 2005 and LeBron left in 2010, how is that recent? lmao

Yup, GOAT. Tell me another player who won titles with 3 different teaHorry ms... and Danny Green come to mind, name whoever else you want.

LeBron did it as the man 3 times, GOAT.

You're going to figure it all out to win instantly and get enough of you investment back in 4 years? Gilbert literally did figure it out after 2010. So got it, James is the goat, but would NEVER had won if he stayed in Cleveland, even though he won in Cleveland. Good lord man...at least try to be slightly objective. Yeah you lol you ass off while not actually even thinking 5 year contracts can impact 4 year plans.

Yep, roll players that get traded frequently have won with different team. Just as the goat that colluded to win, but could never win without collusion, even though he's the goat. I think I understand the pretzel logic... that it isn't logic.

It's not hard to follow, if you want to.

Do the Cavs have the opportunity to draft Kyrie if LeBron stays? I'll answer for you, no.

Do the Cavs have the opportunity to draft Wiggins if LeBron stays? I'll answer for you, no.

Do the Cavs have the opportunity to draft Bennett if LeBron stays? I'll answer for you, no.

Do the Cavs have the opportunity to draft Waiters if LeBron stays? I'll answer for you, no.

Do the Cavs sign Jon Leuer if LeBron stays? I'll answer for you, no.

LOL!

Yeah, there's never been star players that sign to play with James either!

You're entire point is completely conflicting.