Giannis with the worst travel of all time

[SomeBunghole]

They really need to get rid of the gather thing. The steps need to be counted from the moment the ball bounces off the floor.

[og15]

What we should criticize is fans who refuse to learn the rules.The current gather step rule was fully implemented in 2018. I'm bewildered by fans who still live in the past. To make matter worse there are so many youtube and instagram resources that explain how the gather step works. But, no, instead you guys adamantly refuse to learn about the game.

There are multiple posters in this thread explaining why the play is clean, however, again, blatant refusal.

Here's yet another informative video on how this concept of the gather step and delaying the end of your dribble works. Though I upload it in good faith, I'm sure the uninformed ones still won't even take the 75 seconds needed to watch this video and end these senseless complaints.

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This is the root of the problem. The rule is very clear, and the dudes stuck in the 90s refuse to accept it. They continuously complain about phantom travels. They don't want to understand, they just want something to be upset about

First, this new gather rule was implemented in 2018. Fine. But it is a shotty rule that is giving players more advantages over defenders to do things that were not ever done before.

As people have been saying for a LONG time that young posters refuse to listen to that the modern NBA is creating rules to help the offense. But the rhetoric will be is that players are "more skilled" and "more talented". You cannot claim more talent when in the past you got 1.5 to 2 steps but now players can get six steps. That is not more talented.

Just wait until 2028 when the NBA comes up with a new rule called, "Travel as much as you want. Pick the ball up and run with it. We call it...RUBGY!".......

This is where I disagree, but not how you think, this is not a "modern" NBA thing, the NBA has done this since it's inception. What was the purpose of the shot clock? More offense. What was the reason for saying no zone and only man to man? More offense. What was the purpose of banning / limiting hand checking in 1970's? More offense? What was the purpose of all the re-hashing of hand checking? More offense. What was the purpose of illegal defense rules? More offense. What was the purpose of moving in the 3PT line? More offense (didn't necessarily accomplish that, but still). What was the purpose of 3 in the key after removing illegal defense? More offense.

The NBA didn't just start to regulate more offense in the modern day. The NBA has been adjusting over and over again since it's inception to promote scoring and "freedom" for the best players to show their skills, etc.

[dhsilv2]

Gather stroll

That's a great way of putting it. I'm not sure if I'm impressed or disgusted but it was only 3 steps by my count. He really did manage a good 2 "strides" during his never ending "gather".

I'm in camp disgusted.

Once the hand is under the ball and a legal dribble can no longer be made the gathering should be done with imo.

By under the ball, it was 1 or 2 steps though. The gather ended when his hand from the size and control and the ball was no longer spinning. Until that point he could have still kept dribbling.

[eminence]

That's a great way of putting it. I'm not sure if I'm impressed or disgusted but it was only 3 steps by my count. He really did manage a good 2 "strides" during his never ending "gather".

I'm in camp disgusted.

Once the hand is under the ball and a legal dribble can no longer be made the gathering should be done with imo.

By under the ball, it was 1 or 2 steps though. The gather ended when his hand from the size and control and the ball was no longer spinning. Until that point he could have still kept dribbling.

By my eye his hand is under the ball and paused (aka gathered) from approximately the 3pt line in. His right pinky seems to be underneath and pointed upwards while in contact with the ball the whole way as best I can tell - about of clear as carry as I can imagine.

Sidenote - not unique to Giannis.

[God Squad]

Nasty reading all these posters defending this nonsense .

Feel free to carry on.

[dhsilv2]

I'm in camp disgusted.

Once the hand is under the ball and a legal dribble can no longer be made the gathering should be done with imo.

By under the ball, it was 1 or 2 steps though. The gather ended when his hand from the size and control and the ball was no longer spinning. Until that point he could have still kept dribbling.

By my eye his hand is under the ball and paused (aka gathered) from approximately the 3pt line in. His right pinky seems to be underneath and pointed upwards while in contact with the ball the whole way as best I can tell - about of clear as carry as I can imagine.

Sidenote - not unique to Giannis.

Now that's an interesting point. When is the hand under? I assumed it was when the center of the hand goes below, not the fingers as you're noting here. Otherwise a guy who can palm a ball will likely have fingers long enough to be under at almost all times.

[Perishable517]

As bad as this was, I feel like this happens almost every night in the NBA.

I'm a GA fan but yah, refs missed that one. Usually a few a year. I remember an especially bad one from LeBron that was never called. I consider it worse as he was bringing it up, not taking it to the rack.

There will be more of these this season.

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[The Servant]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQX5FleDIWb/?igsh=MTB5cHF2YzZkdjQ0Zw==

Ever think about how our more skilled era is simply more permissive in a lot of ways?

[bdp31770]

Looking like prime Barry Sanders there...

[Perishable517]

Corey Maggette has the worst travel ever and it isn't an argument.

We need a video of Bad Porn.

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[Perishable517]

I'm a Giannis fan and I spat my coffee when they showed the replay

Right?! I immediately said Oof when I saw it.

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[CBS7]

Nasty reading all these posters defending this nonsense .

Feel free to carry on.

Even nastier people on a basketball forum not understanding the rules.

Are the rules dumb? Maybe

Was that anything more than a borderline maybe-travel? No.

[God Squad]

Nasty reading all these posters defending this nonsense .

Feel free to carry on.

Even nastier people on a basketball forum not understanding the rules.

Are the rules dumb? Maybe

Was that anything more than a borderline maybe-travel? No.

Have a good day sir.

[scrabbarista]

Gather, 1... 2.

I didn't read the thread, but why would I for an NBA-legal move?

[babyjax13]

Corey Maggette has the worst travel ever and it isn't an argument.

We need a video of Bad Porn.

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[Iwasawitness]

It really concerns me the amount of people who don't know what a travel is.

[Cavsfansince84]

What's sad isn't just that he did it but that the refs didn't call it either. It's been this way for a while where guys just pick up their dribble as soon as they get near the paint and then are allowed to run to the rim. There are almost no travels called in the paint anymore.

Ample evidence and explanations in this thread as to why it's not a travel. As I said, it's puzzling how guys know about VORP, RAPTOR, ORTG, VPN and BBC yet they have no idea how the game is even officiated.

ok, what we are saying is that even if the league wants to say 'this is fine' its a change in how the game is being officiated compared to 20-30 years ago and some of us are saying we prefer the way it used to be. Now, you can basically pick up your dribble once you get near the paint and run to the rim. So whether you or anyone wants to say 'this is perfectly within the rules' I'd still say its a step backwards.

[AussieBuck]

Guys have been getting away with fast break travels for at least 20 years. This one ain't new.

[JN61]

I've seen both him, Shai and Wemby have some obvious travels go uncalled recently. If the best players can't be held accountable it takes away the credibility of the game.

Does he feel no shame doing that? He has to know he is travelling there. The gather step rule needs to be officiated much stricter.

You wrote that like NBA Players know the rules. What we should criticize is officials who are supposed to know the rules and not dumber than plank of wood players. It's a disgrace the league office forces referees to referee the games in this manner. There is no other reasoning to this than mandate from the topdown.

What we should criticize is fans who refuse to learn the rules.The current gather step rule was fully implemented in 2018. I'm bewildered by fans who still live in the past. To make matter worse there are so many youtube and instagram resources that explain how the gather step works. But, no, instead you guys adamantly refuse to learn about the game.

There are multiple posters in this thread explaining why the play is clean, however, again, blatant refusal.

Here's yet another informative video on how this concept of the gather step and delaying the end of your dribble works. Though I upload it in good faith, I'm sure the uninformed ones still won't even take the 75 seconds needed to watch this video and end these senseless complaints.

Watch on YouTube

I just got dumber reading this league office lick piece.

[Ben-N1ce]

Not a travel. He had the ball in his hands while he took steps.