Is Hakeem Olajuwon the most Complete all-around player All Time?

[Common Sensei]

Nobody has once talked about any of those stats here. Why do you keep making things up? NBA.com doesn't use VORP or winshare. Again are you on drugs? It's cool if you are, but you're posts feel like you're high as you keep just making things up.

The most complete player is the player who can play point and center in the same game the best, in the simplest of terms. That isn't something you can use a box score for. Which btw...VORP and WS are box score based stats. They're the stats YOU keep advocating for.

Just for you to understand
A complete player in basketball refers to a player who possesses a wide range of skills and attributes that contribute to their overall effectiveness on the court. This includes:
Attitude: A positive attitude towards the game and the ability to learn from criticism.
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Basketball Skills: Proficiency in shooting, dribbling, passing, rebounding, and defense.
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Conditioning and Confidence: The ability to compete at a high level without tiring and a strong belief in their abilities.
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Core Abilities: Skills such as ball handling, finishing at the rim, passing accuracy, footwork, free throw accuracy, rebounding, sound defense, toughness, coachability, and leadership.
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These elements collectively define what it means to be a complete player in basketball.

Great so we both agree given the above. Hakeem isn't it.

I disagree Hakeem is in a lot of those categories you seem like you never watched him play and honestly there is no one player in all those categories without a weakness.

[dhsilv2]

Just for you to understand
A complete player in basketball refers to a player who possesses a wide range of skills and attributes that contribute to their overall effectiveness on the court. This includes:
Attitude: A positive attitude towards the game and the ability to learn from criticism.
1
Basketball Skills: Proficiency in shooting, dribbling, passing, rebounding, and defense.
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Conditioning and Confidence: The ability to compete at a high level without tiring and a strong belief in their abilities.
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Core Abilities: Skills such as ball handling, finishing at the rim, passing accuracy, footwork, free throw accuracy, rebounding, sound defense, toughness, coachability, and leadership.
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These elements collectively define what it means to be a complete player in basketball.

Great so we both agree given the above. Hakeem isn't it.

I disagree Hakeem is in a lot of those categories you seem like you never watched him play and honestly there is no one player in all those categories without a weakness.

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Yes, Hakeem is a bad ball handler by average NBA standards. Agree. Glad we can move on

[SmashMouthRod]

Im taking the terminator. Kawhi Leonard. Derailed by injuries. Kawhi put the clamps on Giannis. Had Lebron trying to get the coach to off-set substitution patterns to avoid him. Kawhi made ATG offensive player Harden go like 0-10. That covers a wide range with Giannis being a 7ft big with guard skills. Lebron being 6-9 240-260 lbs and still being able to defend smaller quick guards. On offense he had to develop but he was without a weakness in his prime.

[Common Sensei]

Great so we both agree given the above. Hakeem isn't it.

I disagree Hakeem is in a lot of those categories you seem like you never watched him play and honestly there is no one player in all those categories without a weakness.

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Yes, Hakeem is a bad ball handler by average NBA standards. Agree. Glad we can move on

I said every player has a weakness and you keep posting and disagreeing, but you never once said who you think is the most complete player, why?

[C0bR]

Hakeem has become dreadfully overrated on offense over the last couple of years

[Common Sensei]

Hakeem has become dreadfully overrated on offense over the last couple of years

No not really if you look at his offense Playoff numbers, he is the top 20 in PPG and one of the only ever-considered Goats to have his FG% and TS% eFGI% and PPG all go up in the playoffs which is where it matters most. Hakeem's second season he put up 31 PPG on 52% FG% along with 11.2 TRB 2.2 STL and 4 BLK against the Defending Champs The Showtime Lakers in the 1986 Western Conference Finals.

[Godymas]

why would you take prime Hakeem when you can have prime Giannis who is the better player.

I'm taking Giannis over Hakeem, if Giannis could shoot the 3 he would be the perfect NBA player. He does everything, his passing is criminally underrated.

Wemby has a chance to be the perfect NBA player. His 3 is beautiful.

[og15]

why would you take prime Hakeem when you can have prime Giannis who is the better player.

I'm taking Giannis over Hakeem, if Giannis could shoot the 3 he would be the perfect NBA player. He does everything, his passing is criminally underrated.

Wemby has a chance to be the perfect NBA player. His 3 is beautiful.

Hakeem is a superior defender, Hakeem is more reliable at the FT line, Hakeem has a better track record with health, and Hakeem is tougher to limit on offense in the playoffs (not that Giannis is easy to limit). So those would be some reasons one could decide that.

[dhsilv2]

I disagree Hakeem is in a lot of those categories you seem like you never watched him play and honestly there is no one player in all those categories without a weakness.

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Yes, Hakeem is a bad ball handler by average NBA standards. Agree. Glad we can move on

I said every player has a weakness and you keep posting and disagreeing, but you never once said who you think is the most complete player, why?

A guy like Lebron is obviously the right choice here. Be it lebron, Pippen, Magic...

If you're a bad ball handler...you're not in the discussion for most complete. This isn't rock science.

[dhsilv2]

why would you take prime Hakeem when you can have prime Giannis who is the better player.

I'm taking Giannis over Hakeem, if Giannis could shoot the 3 he would be the perfect NBA player. He does everything, his passing is criminally underrated.

Wemby has a chance to be the perfect NBA player. His 3 is beautiful.

Hakeem is a superior defender, Hakeem is more reliable at the FT line, Hakeem has a better track record with health, and Hakeem is tougher to limit on offense in the playoffs (not that Giannis is easy to limit). So those would be some reasons one could decide that.

Hakeem's harder to limit at scoring in the playoffs. I'm not sure about "on offense". The rockets were pretty revolutionary to actually get that production out of Hakeem.

[Common Sensei]

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Yes, Hakeem is a bad ball handler by average NBA standards. Agree. Glad we can move on

I said every player has a weakness and you keep posting and disagreeing, but you never once said who you think is the most complete player, why?

A guy like Lebron is obviously the right choice here. Be it lebron, Pippen, Magic...

If you're a bad ball handler...you're not in the discussion for most complete. This isn't rock science.

Hakeem Olajuwon could cross guys over have you seen his crossover? A Centers job back in Hakeem's day wasn't supposed to be a ball handler he did not need to be, so that don't make any sense the game was different.
Lebron James has his weakness too, so I guess that doesn't make him the most complete either to you.

Mid-Range Shooting: LeBron has struggled with his mid-range shooting, often shooting around 37-38% from 10+ feet, with his best season being 2010-2011 at 44.5%.

Post-Up Game: While he has developed a solid post-up game, he has not been consistent in scoring from the mid-range, which has been a weakness in his overall scoring ability.

Mental Toughness: LeBron's mental game has been a point of contention, especially in clutch situations, where he has faced challenges in maintaining focus and poise.

Versatility: Despite his strengths, some argue that LeBron's versatility as a player is limited, particularly in terms of his ability to drive and score off the dribble.

[dhsilv2]

I said every player has a weakness and you keep posting and disagreeing, but you never once said who you think is the most complete player, why?

A guy like Lebron is obviously the right choice here. Be it lebron, Pippen, Magic...

If you're a bad ball handler...you're not in the discussion for most complete. This isn't rock science.

Hakeem Olajuwon could cross guys over have you seen his crossover? A Centers job back in Hakeem's day wasn't supposed to be a ball handler he did not need to be, so that don't make any sense the game was different.
Lebron James has his weakness too, so I guess that doesn't make him the most complete either to you.

Mid-Range Shooting: LeBron has struggled with his mid-range shooting, often shooting around 37-38% from 10+ feet, with his best season being 2010-2011 at 44.5%.

Post-Up Game: While he has developed a solid post-up game, he has not been consistent in scoring from the mid-range, which has been a weakness in his overall scoring ability.

Mental Toughness: LeBron's mental game has been a point of contention, especially in clutch situations, where he has faced challenges in maintaining focus and poise.

Versatility: Despite his strengths, some argue that LeBron's versatility as a player is limited, particularly in terms of his ability to drive and score off the dribble.

Got, just trolling. OK