Are people lower on Cooper Flagg?

[FarBeyondDriven]

He looks good, but people were saying he was generational and the best prospect since LeBron. The hyperbole got to be too much with him. The more I watch him, he looks like a mix of Tatum and Siakam on offense, especially Siakam with how often he goes to the spin move to score.

literally nobody worth listening to said that and claiming people were is you being hyperbolic. Wemby was literally just drafted two drafts prior and is widely considered generational.

[BigGargamel]

He looks good, but people were saying he was generational and the best prospect since LeBron. The hyperbole got to be too much with him. The more I watch him, he looks like a mix of Tatum and Siakam on offense, especially Siakam with how often he goes to the spin move to score.

literally nobody worth listening to said that and claiming people were is you being hyperbolic. Wemby was literally just drafted two drafts prior and is widely considered generational.

"Generational" is the most overplayed buzz word amongst these fake draft experts. It loses all meaning when someone is "generational" every other year.

Once a generation.

Shaquille O'Neal
LeBron James
Victor Wembanyama

That's the list. One guy every 10 to 15 years.

Flagg is in the Anthony Davis, Zion, Kyrie Irving tier of draft prospects. He will be fine, but he's not generational. People need to find a new word already.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

He looks good, but people were saying he was generational and the best prospect since LeBron. The hyperbole got to be too much with him. The more I watch him, he looks like a mix of Tatum and Siakam on offense, especially Siakam with how often he goes to the spin move to score.

literally nobody worth listening to said that and claiming people were is you being hyperbolic. Wemby was literally just drafted two drafts prior and is widely considered generational.

He was repeatedly called generational, and several former players and analysts said he was the best prospect since LeBron.

[BigGargamel]

He looks good, but people were saying he was generational and the best prospect since LeBron. The hyperbole got to be too much with him. The more I watch him, he looks like a mix of Tatum and Siakam on offense, especially Siakam with how often he goes to the spin move to score.

literally nobody worth listening to said that and claiming people were is you being hyperbolic. Wemby was literally just drafted two drafts prior and is widely considered generational.

He was repeatedly called generational, and several former players and analysts said he was the best prospect since LeBron.

That means nothing. It is the job of those guys to hype up everyone. Anyone who knows anything about the draft did not think he was on the level of a Wembanyama at all. Read the NBA Draft board here instead of ESPN talking heads. They know nothing about the draft.

[FrodoBaggins]

1. No one knows what generational prospect even means. There's no robust definition that anyone agrees on. There certainly wasn't any consensus about Cooper being one, whatever it means.
2. Cooper was the youngest NPOY ever and one of four (KD, AD, Zion) freshmen to win the award. He led the #1 team in all five major statistics (PPG, RPG, APG, SPG, BPG) and recorded some of the best one-number metrics (Basketball Reference's BPM, Evan Miya, Ken Pom, Bart Torvik) in the available historical database. He was essentially a point forward and the lead ball handler for the #1 offense in the country.

He was hyped for a reason. He started the first 10 games slowly, then finished incredibly strong over the final 27:

Last 27g:
- 20.4 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 4.4 apg, 1.4 spg, 1.3 bpg, 2.1 topg
- 50.0% FG, 44.4% 3PT (3.7 3pa/g), 52.1% 2PT (9.8 2pa/g), 56.0 eFG%, 87.7% FT (6.0 fta/g), 63.2% TS

As well-rounded and flawless a prospect as you can find, especially at that age. The size, athleticism, skill, cognition, and intangibles are all very good. He just doesn't have a "freak" quality, like size, athleticism, or a combination of the two. All B+ and A-s. If he does have one, I'd say it's his cognition (basketball IQ, awareness, decision-making) and that bodes well IMO, considering what Jokic and Luka have shown us. Here's what Sam Vecenie wrote about Cooper's passing/vision/decision-making:

● All of this leads to what might be Flagg’s best offensive skill, though: his passing ability. A very unselfish player. Makes quick decisions. Doesn’t overdribble before finding his teammates. If someone is open, he’s going to hit them. Excellent at getting downhill and making live-dribble passes to create shots for his teammates. Does an amazing job of creating angles with jumps. Awesome at keeping his eyes up even as he goes up for a shot, looking for an easier opportunity for a teammate. Finds the cross-corner kickouts after the tagger sits on the roller. Finds the baseline reads to the corner. Excellent at finding cutters and dump-offs into the dunker spot.

● Even showed some extremely high-level short-roll kickout reads as the screener in ball-screen situations. Can put velocity on the ball, or just throw a well-timed lob with touch. Can throw nearly any pass he has to from any angle. Will be an awesome passer and playmaker for his teammates in the NBA when the passing windows get even wider. Averaged 4.2 assists per game this year versus only 2.1 turnovers.

The hope for his upside is the combination of size, athleticism, downhill slashing, shooting, and playmaking. A physical, bully-ball slashing point-forward. Basically, the LeBron archetype. Randle's doing it well to start the season. Banchero's trying to get there. Cooper has all the tools; he has all the ingredients. It's just going to be a matter of time and patience while it's cooking in the oven.

[atlantabbq99]

It's hard to play in this league as an 18 year old. Per 36 -

Kobe - 18/4/3, 54% TS%
Giannis - 10/6/3, 52% TS%
LeBron - 19/5/5, 49% TS%
Cooper - 17/7/4, 51% TS%

True, Cooper's era is the easiest in which to score points, so you need to discount his numbers by a bit, but even so, his numbers fit within that group.

You can't compare Flagg to high school players, you have to compare him to other freshmen... AD, Durant, Carmelo, Ant Man, Kyrie, Wall, Rose, KAT, Cade, Paolo

[FrodoBaggins]

It's hard to play in this league as an 18 year old. Per 36 -

Kobe - 18/4/3, 54% TS%
Giannis - 10/6/3, 52% TS%
LeBron - 19/5/5, 49% TS%
Cooper - 17/7/4, 51% TS%

True, Cooper's era is the easiest in which to score points, so you need to discount his numbers by a bit, but even so, his numbers fit within that group.

You can't compare Flagg to high school players, you have to compare him to other freshmen... AD, Durant, Carmelo, Ant Man, Kyrie, Wall, Rose, KAT, Cade, Paolo

Nah, age is better to go off of. Progression/development is more related to one's age than the number of years in college or the pros. Players get exponentially better in their teens and early twenties. An extra year of development at that age can mean a lot re: potential.

[atlantabbq99]

It's hard to play in this league as an 18 year old. Per 36 -

True, Cooper's era is the easiest in which to score points, so you need to discount his numbers by a bit, but even so, his numbers fit within that group.

You can't compare Flagg to high school players, you have to compare him to other freshmen... AD, Durant, Carmelo, Ant Man, Kyrie, Wall, Rose, KAT, Cade, Paolo

Nah, age is better to go off of. Progression/development is more related to one's age than the number of years in college or the pros. Players get exponentially better in their teens and early twenties. An extra year of development at that age can mean a lot re: potential.

All the players listed above were 18yr and 19yr going into their rookie season. Flagg will be 19yr in a month so he is actually one of the older ones on the list above.

[Old_Blue]

He looks good, but people were saying he was generational and the best prospect since LeBron. The hyperbole got to be too much with him. The more I watch him, he looks like a mix of Tatum and Siakam on offense, especially Siakam with how often he goes to the spin move to score.

Calling him "generational" wasn't hyperbole. It's just that we're talking about Generation Z here. You've got to have lowered expectations when you're talking about a group who can't tie shoelaces or read cursive.

[Hangtime84]

Coops situation reminds me of Cade's. Drafted to a team with many problems that wasn't built around him yet, while the other players drafted around him have better starts to their career.

After a while this Kyrie/AD stuff will end, and they'll be able to start building something around Coop. Also, he's 18, his window for improvement is vast. I think in 2-3 years Coop will be an all star.

only issue is Mavs have to get it right in this next following draft no first rounders for a while after that.

[Johnny Firpo]

He looks good, but people were saying he was generational and the best prospect since LeBron. The hyperbole got to be too much with him. The more I watch him, he looks like a mix of Tatum and Siakam on offense, especially Siakam with how often he goes to the spin move to score.

literally nobody worth listening to said that and claiming people were is you being hyperbolic. Wemby was literally just drafted two drafts prior and is widely considered generational.

He was repeatedly called generational, and several former players and analysts said he was the best prospect since LeBron.

Nope, not true.

[Johnny Firpo]

All the players listed above were 18yr and 19yr going into their rookie season. Flagg will be 19yr in a month so he is actually one of the older ones on the list above.

You literally described the same thing with the first group and Flagg.

[FrodoBaggins]

You can't compare Flagg to high school players, you have to compare him to other freshmen... AD, Durant, Carmelo, Ant Man, Kyrie, Wall, Rose, KAT, Cade, Paolo

Nah, age is better to go off of. Progression/development is more related to one's age than the number of years in college or the pros. Players get exponentially better in their teens and early twenties. An extra year of development at that age can mean a lot re: potential.

All the players listed above were 18yr and 19yr going into their rookie season. Flagg will be 19yr in a month so he is actually one of the older ones on the list above.

DRAFT AGES:

AD: 19.27 yrs
Durant: 18.71 yrs
Carmelo: 19.04 yrs
Edwards: 18.87 yrs
Kyrie: 19.23 yrs
Wall: 19.78 yrs
Rose: 19.70 yrs
KAT: 19.59 yrs
Cade: 19.73 yrs
Paolo: 19.60 yrs

vs.

Flagg: 18.50 yrs
LeBron: 18.49 yrs
Giannis: 18.53 yrs
Kobe: 18.20 yrs

Only really Durant could you reasonably throw in the same age bracket as these four players. Maybe Ant, too. Some of the guys you listed are upwards of 15 months (1¼ years) older. FWIW, Luka's draft age was 19.30 yrs.

[FrodoBaggins]

Cooper might be the best wing (SF/PF) rim protector in the NBA already. Jalen Williams-like.

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[nybluemeadow]

Nah, age is better to go off of. Progression/development is more related to one's age than the number of years in college or the pros. Players get exponentially better in their teens and early twenties. An extra year of development at that age can mean a lot re: potential.

All the players listed above were 18yr and 19yr going into their rookie season. Flagg will be 19yr in a month so he is actually one of the older ones on the list above.

DRAFT AGES:

AD: 19.27 yrs
Durant: 18.71 yrs
Carmelo: 19.04 yrs
Edwards: 18.87 yrs
Kyrie: 19.23 yrs
Wall: 19.78 yrs
Rose: 19.70 yrs
KAT: 19.59 yrs
Cade: 19.73 yrs
Paolo: 19.60 yrs

vs.

Flagg: 18.50 yrs
LeBron: 18.49 yrs
Giannis: 18.53 yrs
Kobe: 18.20 yrs

Only really Durant could you reasonably throw in the same age bracket as these four players. Maybe Ant, too. Some of the guys you listed are upwards of 15 months (1¼ years) older. FWIW, Luka's draft age was 19.30 yrs.

LOL Flagg home boys are really pulling what ever they can from their as if they are arguing over 2-3 months in age

Durant, Carmelo, Kyrie and Edwards were all way better than Flagg in their rookie seasons. Flagg is defiantly on the bottom tier among top 3 picks in the last 20 years.

Flagg is just ok and he will never be on Luka's level

[The Corey's]

Did anyone really think Kidd and the Mavs were gonna get the best out of a kid who's not even 19?

Trade him to the Celtics while you still get value for him.

[sashaturiaf]

People in general are pretty damn stupid

If you're writing off a 19 year old after 1 month on an absolute shipwreck of a team, then you simply exposed yourself as one of the stupid.

[Mirotic12]

He looks good, but people were saying he was generational and the best prospect since LeBron. The hyperbole got to be too much with him. The more I watch him, he looks like a mix of Tatum and Siakam on offense, especially Siakam with how often he goes to the spin move to score.

literally nobody worth listening to said that and claiming people were is you being hyperbolic. Wemby was literally just drafted two drafts prior and is widely considered generational.

"Generational" is the most overplayed buzz word amongst these fake draft experts. It loses all meaning when someone is "generational" every other year.

Once a generation.

Shaquille O'Neal
LeBron James
Victor Wembanyama

That's the list. One guy every 10 to 15 years.

Flagg is in the Anthony Davis, Zion, Kyrie Irving tier of draft prospects. He will be fine, but he's not generational. People need to find a new word already.

Yeah, those clowns don't know even know what generation means. They indeed are naming generational talents every year. They actually think a generation is a year.

Like maybe for cats and dogs.

[bonita_the_frog]

LOL Flagg home boys are really pulling what ever they can from their as if they are arguing over 2-3 months in age

Durant, Carmelo, Kyrie and Edwards were all way better than Flagg in their rookie seasons. Flagg is defiantly on the bottom tier among top 3 picks in the last 20 years.

Flagg is just ok and he will never be on Luka's level

Flagg's scoring average and fg% keeps going up, so the odds are he'll be averaging about 17ppg by January, and he may well be averaging 20ppg by season's end.
And nobody has a clue what Flagg's level will be by the time he's Doncic's age...

[xb3at band1tx]

I think Flagg will be very good but I would be shocked if he starts racking up 1st teams all nbas like Luka did before turning 28 lol

Doesn’t really matter though, flagg is in his own timeline but the stink of that mavs team is not gonna go away for awhile