All Star Reserves

MaxRider · Post #121 » by **MaxRider** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:54 am

i wonder who Flip Saunder is going to choose
since he can't pick his own players

Kosta · Post #122 » by **Kosta** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:09 am

MagicFan3 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I hope that was a really bad typo for Hedo Turkoglu.

Doesn't matter, probably the only vote Rashard gets. The clueless rookie coach. Worth noting that his team got drubbed by nearly 50 to the Sixers tonight. :lol:

cb4_89 · Post #123 » by **cb4_89** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:11 am

legacyinthemakin89c wrote:Calderon averages 12.3 points per game, he doesn't even take 10 shots a game, he only makes 1 3 pointer a game, he only takes 2 free throws a game, so his percentage there is crap, he doesn't turn it over so much because he arguably isn't even the third option on offense and he plays horrible defense.

When you compare him to Billups, who is the 2nd option on offense in a team oriented system, makes 2 three pointers, is rated higher in efficiency and plays great defense.

And then with Kidd, who the only thing he does wrong shooting, but hes never been a great shooter, and everyones making a big deal out of it all of a sudden for no apparent reason. Kidd hasn't changed one bit, just everyone's impression of him has because of his trade demands.

Wait did you just say Calderon doesn't turn it over because he is a third option?

Maybe I read it wrong but you can't be that stupid. Hes a freaking point guard. He has the ball in his hands EVERY possession.

legacyinthemakin89c · Post #124 » by **legacyinthemakin89c** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:19 am

cb4_89 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Wait did you just say Calderon doesn't turn it over because he is a third option?

Maybe I read it wrong but you can't be that stupid. Hes a freaking point guard. He has the ball in his hands EVERY possession.

I meant in terms of scoring. Like players like Nash and Billups lose the ball more when they are trying to score then when they are creating for others. Calderon doesn't create for himself, therefore he doesn't put himself in that position that the other players do. Thats all i'm saying, no reason to take personal shots.

UrbanLegendMD · Post #125 » by **UrbanLegendMD** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:25 am

Both Jamison and Butler gotta be in the game. They were warriors carrying the team to decency without Agent Zero this year.

JWiLL02 · Post #126 » by **JWiLL02** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:50 am

legacyinthemakin89c wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I meant in terms of scoring. Like players like Nash and Billups lose the ball more when they are trying to score then when they are creating for others. Calderon doesn't create for himself, therefore he doesn't put himself in that position that the other players do. Thats all i'm saying, no reason to take personal shots.

Calderon creates for himself all the time, you clearly don't watch the Raptors play too much.

Calderon in January:

15 ppg
10 apg
4 rpg
55 FG%
50 3PT%
97 FT%
<2 TO
40 MPG

:bowdown:

legacyinthemakin89c · Post #127 » by **legacyinthemakin89c** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:19 am

Ok well lets look at Calderon's main competition, and these guys have been able to put up there stats all season.....
Rip
19 ppg
4 rpg
3 apg
50 FG%
47% 3PT%
81% FT%
1.9 TO
35 min

Allen:
18 ppg
3 apg
4 rpg
41% FG%
92% FT%
37% 3PT%
1.8 TO
38 min

Now lets look at Calderon for the WHOLE season, because this is the all star game for the WHOLE season

12 ppg
8.7 apg
3.2 rpg
52% FG%
92% FT%
44% 3PT%
1.6 TO
31 min

But lets put into perspective what he gets those percentages on

He makes
1 out of 2 3 points
1 out 2 free throws
He only takes 10 shots a game

So can I say that Rusty Larue is the best free throw shooter because in 98-99 he averaged 2.5 free throws a game and made 100% of them??? Do you think if he averaged say, 8 attempts a game, do you think he would have shot 100%? Like I realize Calderon is shooting great percentages, and for one month hes played out of his mind, but that doesn't automatically make him an all star, theres better players on better teams who deserve it just as much.

Scrub Sura · Post #128 » by **Scrub Sura** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:27 am

I hope everyone is ready for the bitchfest tomorrow when both Turkoglu and Calderon are left off the East squad.

legacyinthemakin89c · Post #129 » by **legacyinthemakin89c** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:32 am

Scrub Sura wrote:I hope everyone is ready for the bitchfest tomorrow when both Turkoglu and Calderon are left off the East squad.

Lol, I mean they are really good players, I just don't think they're all stars.

JWiLL02 · Post #130 » by **JWiLL02** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:40 am

I agree with Rip, but there's no way Allen deserves it more than Calderon.

celticfan42487 · Post #131 » by **celticfan42487** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:57 am

Pierce and KG have been carrying Ray Allen the past 2 months. He's suckniess is the main reason why the celts have gone from 14ppg average winners to .500 team.

Even if we did beat Miami by 40 points last night withour Ray or KG. We used to win .900 of our games with a good Ray Allen, past 2 months we've been like .600. With this month beign about .500

legacyinthemakin89c · Post #132 » by **legacyinthemakin89c** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:05 am

Well I brought up Ray Allen because he has been in the discussion as too which guards should get chosen, if only one of those three are allowed to go, Hamilton definitely deserves the nod.

Raptors90102 · Post #133 » by **Raptors90102** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:33 am

JOE JOHNSON HAS BEEN CONFIRMED AS A RESERVE!

Its on the Atlanta Board. They have quoted a local newspaper that said that Joe was informed prior to the game that he'll be in the reserves for the Second year running. This means curtains for Jose. Oh well, if Ray Allen makes it as well, this means Jamison got shafted too.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=756187

DIDN'T SEE THIS COMING. WHAT A HORRIBLE SELECTION

Kosta · Post #134 » by **Kosta** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:47 am

That is straight B.S, why was he informed early about this? Is every player informed early of their selections? That's some serious B.S, dude isn't an all-star and his team is like 4-11 in their last 15 games. Playing way under .500 ball, I hope Barkley, Smith and Magic rip that selection up. I'm still holding out hope that Caldy gets in, but it seems highly unlikely now.

Probably one of Rip or Ray Allen for that next guard spot along with Billups.

B.S

Raptors90102 · Post #135 » by **Raptors90102** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:51 am

Kosta wrote:That is straight B.S, why was he informed early about this? Is every player informed early of their selections? That's some serious B.S, dude isn't an all-star and his team is like 4-11 in their last 15 games. Playing way under .500 ball, I hope Barkley, Smith and Magic rip that selection up. I'm still holding out hope that Caldy gets in, but it seems highly unlikely now.

Probably one of Rip or Ray Allen for that next guard spot along with Billups.

B.S

I know.. when you have dumbfcuks like Larry K voting for the likes of Rashard Lewis, you can only expect some horrible selections. I wouldn't be surprised if all 4 of Jamison/Calderon/Hedo/Rip get shafted. The reserves could very well look like:

Bosh
Pierce
Butler
Allen
Johnson
Billups
G Wallace / Sheed / Big Z / Redd

When will these coaches learn man?

There should be rules in place that should limit selections to only .500 and above players and not more than 2 players from 1 team. If, in the case of East, there aren't enough teams with a .500 record to make up a 12 man roster, only than they should go pick players from subpar teams.

Raptors90102 · Post #136 » by **Raptors90102** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:54 am

Kosta wrote:That is straight B.S, why was he informed early about this? Is every player informed early of their selections? That's some serious B.S, dude isn't an all-star and his team is like 4-11 in their last 15 games. Playing way under .500 ball, I hope Barkley, Smith and Magic rip that selection up. I'm still holding out hope that Caldy gets in, but it seems highly unlikely now.

Probably one of Rip or Ray Allen for that next guard spot along with Billups.

B.S

And Kenny Smith actually picked Joe in one of his columns.. so he won't rip it..

Kosta · Post #137 » by **Kosta** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:59 am

I don't know, we'll see how it plays out. For all we know we're in for some surprise picks, I mean if J.J can get in shooting 41% on a 18-24 team that is on a massive losing streak, then who knows what some of those coaches are thinking. If Jamison gets shafted, that would be a serious shame. Dude is the vet leader for the Wiz and putting up 20 and 10, plus they have a winning record and have been on a tear this month. Calderon, ditto. What's that 4 straight double-doubles now, he's near the top for double-double games this month with guys like Garnett.

So I guess this means that players on losing teams still got heavy consideration, maybe Richard Jefferson got in?

B.S

Kosta · Post #138 » by **Kosta** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:01 am

Raptors90102 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

And Kenny Smith actually picked Joe in one of his columns.. so he won't rip it..

Those guys make the clear cut selections on air, they don't go with the surprise picks. But I'd expect more from the coaches who see these guys play every night.

And if one Hawk player were to get in, how is it not Josh Smith? I guess the coaches really thought the guard position was weak and just picked J.J by default.

duppyy · Post #139 » by **duppyy** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:05 am

Team records dont always come into play when selecting allstars. If Wade wasnt voted in im sure coaches would put him in anyways and look at his teams record.

seanbig · Post #140 » by **seanbig** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:06 am

ok one on one jose gets his ass wiped....

but jose will not only be a stocken star one day

he will be better than john