MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

[igorbianch]

Giannis dominates the ball too no?

Also they are close because the media votes for this award not you and a lot of the media are talking about the lakers and saying lebron is mvp. That’s not blind Stanhood it’s reality.

And the media should be called out on it. Lebron winning it over Giannis this year is like Rose winning in 2011

Nah it would be like if Dirk won in 2011. The Rose equivalent would be Luka

Nah he is better than prime Rose...

He is as good as LeBron and Harden IMO. Giannis is above everyone.

[Texas Chuck]

Giannis dominates the ball too no?

Also they are close because the media votes for this award not you and a lot of the media are talking about the lakers and saying lebron is mvp. That’s not blind Stanhood it’s reality.

And the media should be called out on it. Lebron winning it over Giannis this year is like Rose winning in 2011

Nah it would be like if Dirk won in 2011. The Rose equivalent would be Luka

I disagree. Rose won MVP in Iverson fashion--a team built on a stifling defense but he provided the scoring so he got the love by lazy media who had pre-determined they weren't going to give it to Lebron no matter what. The Mavs are winning based on an outrageous offensive led by Luka. Complete opposite of Rose winning.

[MissileMike]

I think Harden deserves a lot more than 6% of the votes.

[Spacely]

Jimmy Butler 6th In the MVP race

[Texas Chuck]

I think Harden deserves a lot more than 6% of the votes.

no question. But because this is just allowing you to vote for your top choice instead of the way actual voting is done it makes the gap appear much larger than it should be. Plus I'd guess more than half the voters are voting not on whom they actually believe deserves MVP but rather who they want to win MVP.

I would ignore the results of the poll altogether. Harden imo is a top 2 candidate along with Giannis, but there is literally no argument that he's outside of the top 3. None.

[Colbinii]

Kawhi's net rating on NBA.com right now is 12.1

Giannis last season net rating 12.5

Kawhi +/- is a 8.5
Giannis in 2018-19 was a 9.1

Wow a .4 and .6 difference! that's pretty damn close with Giannis historic 2018-19 regular season. So as much as everybody wants to drool over "TS" there is other impact stats out there that shows Kawhi is having MVP impact in the games he plays.

Giannis also played 72 games, lead the Bucks to 60 wins and the #1 overall seed, tops current Kawhi in pts, rebs, asts, and blocks, lead the league in PER, had a 64 TS% compared to Kawhi's below average 53 TS%, more than doubles Kawhi in BPM and WS/48.

but hey, they're similar in Net Rating, Kawhi MVP

give it a rest dude.

My point is that kawhi is showing MVP level impact regardless of TS. But hey, if you like TS so much than go watch 2019 kawhi 732 points 62% TS and gave your buddy Giannis the chokejob of his lifetime, how ya like that hahahha

To stay on topic of MVP impact, Kawhi's net rating on NBA.com right now also beats every LeBron season in his career besides 2009!

Kawhi +/- beats LeBron 2012-2020 every one of those MVP level years from the queen! Hahah

I'm just showing you Kawhi's impact right now baba, I told ya.

What about Siakams net rating?

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[greekbuck34]

Siakam is one of the Raptors' MVPs. FVV and Lowry(before his injury) were at least as important as Siakam for the Raptors.
The same is happening with Lebron and AD. They are all nearly equally valuable for their teams.
It's not the same for the Bucks(Giannis), Mavs(Luka) and the Rockets(Harden, even though he has an ex-MVP).

I think if you asked Giannis to make a choice.
Having an advantage on MVP rankings or getting a proper all star and not getting triple teams in the playoffs I think he wouldn't even blink before his answer.

[HBK_Kliq_33]

Giannis also played 72 games, lead the Bucks to 60 wins and the #1 overall seed, tops current Kawhi in pts, rebs, asts, and blocks, lead the league in PER, had a 64 TS% compared to Kawhi's below average 53 TS%, more than doubles Kawhi in BPM and WS/48.

but hey, they're similar in Net Rating, Kawhi MVP

give it a rest dude.

My point is that kawhi is showing MVP level impact regardless of TS. But hey, if you like TS so much than go watch 2019 kawhi 732 points 62% TS and gave your buddy Giannis the chokejob of his lifetime, how ya like that hahahha

To stay on topic of MVP impact, Kawhi's net rating on NBA.com right now also beats every LeBron season in his career besides 2009!

Kawhi +/- beats LeBron 2012-2020 every one of those MVP level years from the queen! Hahah

I'm just showing you Kawhi's impact right now baba, I told ya.

What about Siakams net rating?

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Its Gasol who anchors that damn team defensively, not Siakam. Siakam is having an all-star level season but not MVP. Siakam's PIE is pretty bad for an MVP level player, he's at a similar PIE as 2014/15 Kawhi Leonard. That's actually about where Siakam will peak at for his entire career (2014/15 Kawhi).

Kawhi has over 20 PIE, great net, great + / - and wins 80% of his games. People also have things twisted on Kawhi's games played this year, he missed 3 games straight for a knee bruise and not load management. So at this point, he will miss 1/2 of every back to back the rest of the season which is roughly about 67 games.

[clyde21]

My point is that kawhi is showing MVP level impact regardless of TS. But hey, if you like TS so much than go watch 2019 kawhi 732 points 62% TS and gave your buddy Giannis the chokejob of his lifetime, how ya like that hahahha

To stay on topic of MVP impact, Kawhi's net rating on NBA.com right now also beats every LeBron season in his career besides 2009!

Kawhi +/- beats LeBron 2012-2020 every one of those MVP level years from the queen! Hahah

I'm just showing you Kawhi's impact right now baba, I told ya.

What about Siakams net rating?

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Its Gasol who anchors that damn team defensively, not Siakam. Siakam is having an all-star level season but not MVP. Siakam's PIE is pretty bad for an MVP level player, he's at a similar PIE as 2014/15 Kawhi Leonard. That's actually about where Siakam will peak at for his entire career (2014/15 Kawhi).

Kawhi has over 20 PIE, great net, great + / - and wins 80% of his games. People also have things twisted on Kawhi's games played this year, he missed 3 games straight for a knee bruise and not load management. So at this point, he will miss 1/2 of every back to back the rest of the season which is roughly about 67 games.

which effectively knocks him out of the MVP conversation on it's own, nevermind that he actually kinda sucks this year.

so yea, let's actually talk about serious MVP candidates in the MVP thread.

[pingpongrac]

The Raps have 15 wins. Nearly half of those wins (7) came from someone scoring more points than Siakim. IOW, his teammates accounted for half of the wins so far. Not sure how that classifies him to be MVP.

Siakam doesn't deserve any #1 votes yet, but he is pretty clearly at least a top 5 MVP candidate.

Siakam's averaging 25.6 PPG/8.4 REB/4.0 AST on 57 TS% with a +13.5 NetRTG (5th in the league). The games where teammates have outscored him - not like that matters anyway - are generally games where he is still the best player on Toronto because of everything he has been doing on the floor. He's had two bad games this year (@MIL and @DAL) and a really off offensive night (4/22 @ORL the other night), but he has been having a massive impact all year and has also put up 8 30+ point games already. Toronto is 15-4 largely because of their defence and Siakam.

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Luka/Giannis/Lebron/Harden are clearly ahead. he is "at least top 5" is an exaggeration, he is at best top 5

You're seriously going to make a deal out of "at least top 5" compared to "at best top 5"? Maybe I should have said "at least top 6" and that would have been perfectly fine lol.

NBA.com had Siakam at #6 on the MVP ladder a few days ago (4/22 game against ORL but did everything else and the 35/5/5 game last night) while Kemba (12/37 with 33 PTS and a Celtics loss) was unreservedly #3. Below Siakam was Jokic, Kawhi, AD and KAT. The only debatable player from that bunch is AD. Siakam has clearly been better than Jokic and Kawhi, and KAT has barely been a net positive despite high efficiency and big box score numbers.

[mademan]

I remember 2 weeks ago when BPM was all the rage while Kawhi was leading. Now it's PIE

[HBK_Kliq_33]

What about Siakams net rating?

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Its Gasol who anchors that damn team defensively, not Siakam. Siakam is having an all-star level season but not MVP. Siakam's PIE is pretty bad for an MVP level player, he's at a similar PIE as 2014/15 Kawhi Leonard. That's actually about where Siakam will peak at for his entire career (2014/15 Kawhi).

Kawhi has over 20 PIE, great net, great + / - and wins 80% of his games. People also have things twisted on Kawhi's games played this year, he missed 3 games straight for a knee bruise and not load management. So at this point, he will miss 1/2 of every back to back the rest of the season which is roughly about 67 games.

which effectively knocks him out of the MVP conversation on it's own, nevermind that he actually kinda sucks this year.

so yea, let's actually talk about serious MVP candidates in the MVP thread.

20 PIE doesn't suck. When has Stephen Curry ever done that? The only pie that jabroni was eating was at thanksgiving while he sits out all year with a 5 week hand injury! Harden won it with 72, 67 games is not far off but to each its own.

[clyde21]

Its Gasol who anchors that damn team defensively, not Siakam. Siakam is having an all-star level season but not MVP. Siakam's PIE is pretty bad for an MVP level player, he's at a similar PIE as 2014/15 Kawhi Leonard. That's actually about where Siakam will peak at for his entire career (2014/15 Kawhi).

Kawhi has over 20 PIE, great net, great + / - and wins 80% of his games. People also have things twisted on Kawhi's games played this year, he missed 3 games straight for a knee bruise and not load management. So at this point, he will miss 1/2 of every back to back the rest of the season which is roughly about 67 games.

which effectively knocks him out of the MVP conversation on it's own, nevermind that he actually kinda sucks this year.

so yea, let's actually talk about serious MVP candidates in the MVP thread.

20 PIE doesn't suck. When has Stephen Curry ever done that? The only pie that jabroni was eating was at thanksgiving while he sits out all year with a 5 week hand injury! Harden won it with 72, 67 games is not far off but to each its own.

Steph has nothing to do with this MVP conversation not sure what the has to do with anything

[HBK_Kliq_33]

which effectively knocks him out of the MVP conversation on it's own, nevermind that he actually kinda sucks this year.

so yea, let's actually talk about serious MVP candidates in the MVP thread.

20 PIE doesn't suck. When has Stephen Curry ever done that? The only pie that jabroni was eating was at thanksgiving while he sits out all year with a 5 week hand injury! Harden won it with 72, 67 games is not far off but to each its own.

Steph has nothing to do with this MVP conversation not sure what the has to do with anything

Hahahha im joking with you man, relax. My point is even a great player like Curry hasn't reached a 20 PIE, so you're understating Kawhi's season or the PIE stat.

[MisterHibachi]

20 PIE doesn't suck. When has Stephen Curry ever done that? The only pie that jabroni was eating was at thanksgiving while he sits out all year with a 5 week hand injury! Harden won it with 72, 67 games is not far off but to each its own.

Steph has nothing to do with this MVP conversation not sure what the has to do with anything

Hahahha im joking with you man, relax. My point is even a great player like Curry hasn't reached a 20 PIE, so you're understating Kawhi's season or the PIE stat.

What the **** is PIE.

[elchengue20]

My MVP list right now:

1-Giannis
2-Luka
3-Lebron
4-Harden

Giannis defense makes him clearly the MVP in my book.

[clyde21]

20 PIE doesn't suck. When has Stephen Curry ever done that? The only pie that jabroni was eating was at thanksgiving while he sits out all year with a 5 week hand injury! Harden won it with 72, 67 games is not far off but to each its own.

Steph has nothing to do with this MVP conversation not sure what the has to do with anything

Hahahha im joking with you man, relax. My point is even a great player like Curry hasn't reached a 20 PIE, so you're understating Kawhi's season or the PIE stat.

link to this PIE stat please, I don't even know what it is.

[Baski]

And the media should be called out on it. Lebron winning it over Giannis this year is like Rose winning in 2011

Nah it would be like if Dirk won in 2011. The Rose equivalent would be Luka

Nah he is better than prime Rose...

He is as good as LeBron and Harden IMO. Giannis is above everyone.

Meh. I'd probably take him over Rose. But I'm not confident taking him over seasoned veterans like Lebron and Harden. Going forward sure, but not now

[greekbuck34]

Steph has nothing to do with this MVP conversation not sure what the has to do with anything

Hahahha im joking with you man, relax. My point is even a great player like Curry hasn't reached a 20 PIE, so you're understating Kawhi's season or the PIE stat.

What the **** is PIE.

It's NBA.Stats "PER".

[Ballerhogger]

Lakers lose one game to mavs and Luka propped up as MVP ... Hes having good start but hold on guys.