Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV (Must read Post 1)

Optimus_Steel · Post #1201 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:18 am

LKN wrote:You know - this is a really good question

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It would be. They behave as they have different rules because they do.

LKN · Post #1202 » by **LKN** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:18 am

Richfield wrote:
Crizzle wrote:

Okay maybe I can throw you a small bone.

I believe NYC is making progress on testing sites.

Not sure I think I saw it on the news. Somebody may have posted not sure. I have no details.

NY is testing like crazy. The results are terrifying, but they are doing the right thing.

Many other states are still pretty much flying blind

Fairview4Life · Post #1203 » by **Fairview4Life** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:20 am

Richfield wrote:
Crizzle wrote: :(

Okay maybe I can throw you a small bone.

I believe NYC is making progress on testing sites.

Not sure I think I saw it on the news. Somebody may have posted not sure. I have no details.

Testing is ramping up! The problem is that we're not going to see results from social distancing for a few weeks. So more bad numbers to come and things are already looking pretty grim at hospitals in NY.

Optimus_Steel · Post #1204 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:25 am

2012NadalShadow wrote:

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This is malpractice. Willfull negligence, and straight up brutality. People are dying, healthcare workers are fighting covid19 with lack of supplies and protection, and the response is "well Venezuela". Also, he clearly never had the curiosity to learn about what the Federal government did during the great depression and WW2 in terms of emergency powers.

My guess is that behind the scenes his buddies/donors are trying to figure out how to cash in on this and ordering the act to take place would undermine that. That or the CEO'S are bitching that it would cost them money. Either way we see where priorities are.

marco102 · Post #1205 » by **marco102** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:31 am

This is a public servic announcement. The US has a population that is five to six times larger than Italy's. Not so sure why some of you are so worried if our raw numbers are surpassing theirs. Just based on population you should expect that. Where you need to be concerned is ICU rates. As long as we have enough beds, we will not look like Italy. The US also has this thing called the military that is much larger than Italy's that it can deploy and we have a few more ventilators than Italy.

I'm not saying we should not be concerned, but focusing on raw numbers is a bit silly when a country is not as populous.

Colbinii · Post #1206 » by **Colbinii** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:35 am

marco102 wrote:This is a public servic announcement. The US has a population that is five to six times larger than Italy's. Not so sure why some of you are so worried if our raw numbers are surpassing theirs. Just based on population you should expect that. Where you need to be concerned is ICU rates. As long as we have enough beds, we will not look like Italy. The US also has this thing called the military that is much larger than Italy's that it can deploy and we have a few more ventilators than Italy.

I'm not saying we should not be concerned, but focusing on raw numbers is a bit silly when a country is not as populous.

New York has over 15,000 patients with Covid-19 and that is only with tested patients. We don't know how long the virus has been in New York and have no idea how many people truly have it. There could be thousands to a million people in New York with the virus at this very moment.

LKN · Post #1207 » by **LKN** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:35 am

marco102 wrote:This is a public servic announcement. The US has a population that is five to six times larger than Italy's. Not so sure why some of you are so worried if our raw numbers are surpassing theirs. Just based on population you should expect that. Where you need to be concerned is ICU rates. As long as we have enough beds, we will not look like Italy. The US also has this thing called the military that is much larger than Italy's that it can deploy and we have a few more ventilators than Italy.

I'm not saying we should not be concerned, but focusing on raw numbers is a bit silly when a country is not as populous.

The US has fewer hospital beds per capita than Italy

LKN · Post #1208 » by **LKN** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:36 am

Colbinii wrote:
marco102 wrote:This is a public servic announcement. The US has a population that is five to six times larger than Italy's. Not so sure why some of you are so worried if our raw numbers are surpassing theirs. Just based on population you should expect that. Where you need to be concerned is ICU rates. As long as we have enough beds, we will not look like Italy. The US also has this thing called the military that is much larger than Italy's that it can deploy and we have a few more ventilators than Italy.

I'm not saying we should not be concerned, but focusing on raw numbers is a bit silly when a country is not as populous.

New York has over 15,000 patients with Covid-19 and that is only with tested patients. We don't know how long the virus has been in New York and have no idea how many people truly have it. There could be thousands to a million people in New York with the virus at this very moment.

I'd actually be curious in the hospitalization rate of infected people. That would let us know how long it's going to be until we run out of beds.

Unfortunately I don't see any way that doesn't happen now

marco102 · Post #1209 » by **marco102** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:37 am

Colbinii wrote:
marco102 wrote:This is a public servic announcement. The US has a population that is five to six times larger than Italy's. Not so sure why some of you are so worried if our raw numbers are surpassing theirs. Just based on population you should expect that. Where you need to be concerned is ICU rates. As long as we have enough beds, we will not look like Italy. The US also has this thing called the military that is much larger than Italy's that it can deploy and we have a few more ventilators than Italy.

I'm not saying we should not be concerned, but focusing on raw numbers is a bit silly when a country is not as populous.

New York has over 15,000 patients with Covid-19 and that is only with tested patients. We don't know how long the virus has been in New York and have no idea how many people truly have it. There could be thousands to a million people in New York with the virus at this very moment.

Yup. Look at the population density of New York City. I'm not saying it's not concerning. I just don't get everyone's fear with Italy. Like OMG we have as many cases as Italy. We do, but no where near the death rate at the same place in the curve. There are other factors to consider than just the number of people that have it.

HollowEarth · Post #1210 » by **HollowEarth** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:39 am

marco102 wrote:This is a public servic announcement. The US has a population that is five to six times larger than Italy's. Not so sure why some of you are so worried if our raw numbers are surpassing theirs. Just based on population you should expect that. Where you need to be concerned is ICU rates. As long as we have enough beds, we will not look like Italy. The US also has this thing called the military that is much larger than Italy's that it can deploy and we have a few more ventilators than Italy.

I'm not saying we should not be concerned, but focusing on raw numbers is a bit silly when a country is not as populous.

So I have a question about that, but I don't even know how to word it to do any kind of Google search. Some cities will be the first to fill up their capacity. Louisiana just shut down loads more businesses, in part because New Orleans is supposed to be around a couple weeks away from full. My question is what happens when a city fills up? Are the National Guard or EMTs going to truck people out to nearby cities with less patients, or is that risking too much spread?

Oh, and yes, I agree, that the United States to get as many cases as Italy and it not be nearly as bad. Hopefully, we're prepared for this when it starts to peak

marco102 · Post #1211 » by **marco102** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:41 am

LKN wrote:
marco102 wrote:This is a public servic announcement. The US has a population that is five to six times larger than Italy's. Not so sure why some of you are so worried if our raw numbers are surpassing theirs. Just based on population you should expect that. Where you need to be concerned is ICU rates. As long as we have enough beds, we will not look like Italy. The US also has this thing called the military that is much larger than Italy's that it can deploy and we have a few more ventilators than Italy.

I'm not saying we should not be concerned, but focusing on raw numbers is a bit silly when a country is not as populous.

The US has fewer hospital beds per capita than Italy

Yeah, but we have more ventilators and that's what the main problem is in Italy.

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/03/21/the-ventilator-problem

Bandit King · Post #1212 » by **Bandit King** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:42 am

Trust me it's going to get bad!

Keep telling yourself it's not if that makes you feel better.

States are fighting each other for supplies!

The whole situation is ridiculous.

HollowEarth · Post #1213 » by **HollowEarth** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:42 am

Crizzle wrote:
Richfield wrote:
Crizzle wrote:i had to take a day off from this thread. Was there any "good" news today?

Not exactly news, but here's one from work this morning: all the Walmart stores in my district sold out of elastic. Apparently loads of folks that are off work are all volunteering their time to sew facemasks that they're donating to hospitals and clinics.

Courtside · Post #1214 » by **Courtside** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:43 am

marco102 wrote:This is a public servic announcement. The US has a population that is five to six times larger than Italy's. Not so sure why some of you are so worried if our raw numbers are surpassing theirs. Just based on population you should expect that. Where you need to be concerned is ICU rates. As long as we have enough beds, we will not look like Italy. The US also has this thing called the military that is much larger than Italy's that it can deploy and we have a few more ventilators than Italy.

I'm not saying we should not be concerned, but focusing on raw numbers is a bit silly when a country is not as populous.

It's not the raw numbers, it's the pattern.

Also, it matters little to a few hotspots that they are part of a larger population. If 10s of thousands of New Yorkers die in a span of 2 months, would you minimize that because there are 330 million other Americans left (even if fully ignoring that it is spreading all across the country now, at differing timelines.

NY will be out of ICU beds this week - with spread continuing - and if the military ends up occupied with the early outbreak places like NY and CA and Wa, who is going to help when FL and OH and TN and LA explode?

It's not the present day snapshot that matters, it's the nearly unabated pattern of growth so far.

marco102 · Post #1215 » by **marco102** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:43 am

HollowEarth wrote:
marco102 wrote:This is a public servic announcement. The US has a population that is five to six times larger than Italy's. Not so sure why some of you are so worried if our raw numbers are surpassing theirs. Just based on population you should expect that. Where you need to be concerned is ICU rates. As long as we have enough beds, we will not look like Italy. The US also has this thing called the military that is much larger than Italy's that it can deploy and we have a few more ventilators than Italy.

I'm not saying we should not be concerned, but focusing on raw numbers is a bit silly when a country is not as populous.
So I have a question about that, but I don't even know how to word it to do any kind of Google search. Some cities will be the first to fill up their capacity. Louisiana just shut down loads more businesses, in part because New Orleans is supposed to be around a couple weeks away from full. My question is what happens when a city fills up? Are the National Guard or EMTs going to truck people out to nearby cities with less patients, or is that risking too much spread?

Oh, and yes, I agree, that the United States to get as many cases as Italy and it not be nearly as bad. Hopefully, we're prepared for this when it starts to peak

Not sure, but I read they are relaxing laws to allow Doctors to treat accross state lines. The President can deploy the military and Fema to help with really hard hit areas. I hope it never comes to that.

First Step · Post #1216 » by **First Step** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:43 am

Dr. Birx already warned that this was going to happen. Now that testing has ramped up, cases are going to show exponential growth. This doesn't mean we aren't flattening the curve. Do your part with social distancing. Some people are going to be clueless and bounce around. There is no perfect scenario here. Just do your part.

OkcSinceSGA · Post #1217 » by **OkcSinceSGA** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:44 am

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marco102 · Post #1218 » by **marco102** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:45 am

Courtside wrote:
marco102 wrote:This is a public servic announcement. The US has a population that is five to six times larger than Italy's. Not so sure why some of you are so worried if our raw numbers are surpassing theirs. Just based on population you should expect that. Where you need to be concerned is ICU rates. As long as we have enough beds, we will not look like Italy. The US also has this thing called the military that is much larger than Italy's that it can deploy and we have a few more ventilators than Italy.

I'm not saying we should not be concerned, but focusing on raw numbers is a bit silly when a country is not as populous.

It's not the raw numbers, it's the pattern.

Also, it matters little to a few hotspots that they are part of a larger population. If 10s of thousands of New Yorkers die in a span of 2 months, would you minimize that because there are 330 million other Americans left (even if fully ignoring that it is spreading all across the country now, at differing timelines.

NY will be out of ICU beds this week - with spread continuing - and if the military ends up occupied with the early outbreak places like NY and CA and Wa, who is going to help when FL and OH and TN and LA explode?

It's not the present day snapshot that matters, it's the nearly unabated pattern of growth so far.

That's my point though. The fact patterns arent the same. The US in general is a differnt population with different demographics. Lower population density, whatever. If NYC runs out of ICU beds, if other states don't have that problem, patients can be moved. Italy can't ship its patients to other countries.

Again, I'm not saying what's happening here isn't concering. Just that comparing the US to Italy isn't apples to apples.

Also, we would expect the numbers to increase with increase testing.

I've been using this site to see the raw numbers tested, not just the positives.

https://covidtracking.com/data/

LKN · Post #1219 » by **LKN** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:45 am

marco102 wrote:
LKN wrote:
marco102 wrote:This is a public servic announcement. The US has a population that is five to six times larger than Italy's. Not so sure why some of you are so worried if our raw numbers are surpassing theirs. Just based on population you should expect that. Where you need to be concerned is ICU rates. As long as we have enough beds, we will not look like Italy. The US also has this thing called the military that is much larger than Italy's that it can deploy and we have a few more ventilators than Italy.

I'm not saying we should not be concerned, but focusing on raw numbers is a bit silly when a country is not as populous.

The US has fewer hospital beds per capita than Italy

Yeah, but we have more ventilators and that's what the main problem is in Italy.

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/03/21/the-ventilator-problem

I hope those numbers are right... gives me some hope. Kind of crazy that we supposedly have ventilators yet nurses in NYC have resorted to wearing garbage bags due to the lack of gowns!

I really hope that today's #s out of Italy continue tomorrow and that their social distancing measures worked.

While the US has more overall capacity just "shipping someone to another ICU" isn't really a thing a lot of the time - they'll be dead before they would get there.

A real concern is if this thing gets loose in more rural small towns - a lot of them don't even have a single ICU bed in the country and the residents tend to be older with high incidence of obesity, diabetes, etc

marco102 · Post #1220 » by **marco102** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:47 am

LKN wrote:
marco102 wrote:
LKN wrote:
The US has fewer hospital beds per capita than Italy

Yeah, but we have more ventilators and that's what the main problem is in Italy.

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/03/21/the-ventilator-problem

I hope those numbers are right... gives me some hope. Kind of crazy that we supposedly have ventilators yet nurses in NYC have resorted to wearing garbage bags due to the lack of gowns!

I really hope that today's #s out of Italy continue tomorrow and that their social distancing measures worked

Masks and ventilators are two different scenarios. We should have ordered extra masks as soon as we were notified of the threat out of China. That's hindsight though.