Eurobasket 2022 (daily OP updates), day 11, all quarter finals teams known, Italy shocks Europe, eliminates Serbia

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[G R E Y]

Dear Lithuania,

We **** up. But there's nothing that can be done about it.

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Sincerely,

FIBA

Can't wait for the Turkey - Georgia statement.

[lambchop]

When tied, do teams advance by direct comparison? Does that LTU has to win the next two games, while Bosnia loses both, so that LTU can advance?

[Nuntius]

When tied, do teams advance by direct comparison? Does that LTU has to win the next two games, while Bosnia loses both, so that LTU can advance?

The first tie-break criterion is points, not head-to-head result.

[GeorgeSears]

Slovenia should not be losing games when they get 20 points from both Dragic and Cancar. Luka going 0/8 from 3 with 5 turnovers will just kill a team.

[Nuntius]

I really hope that the footage of what happened in that tunnel in the Georgia-Turkey game comes out. I'm really curious to see what happened there.

[wco81]

So they're scheduling a lot of back to back matches?

Do they do that for the UEFA cup?


Also have previous Eurobasket tournaments had all these competitive games, multiple BOTs and such? Especially at Group Stage?

[gavran]

Hungarians have such a terrible feel for the game. Missed a shot, 21 seconds remaining, trailing by 2, Gobert grabs a rebounds...
ANd no one fouls Gobert, it took them 6 seconds to figure out they need to foul. geezuz.

Vojvoda went YOLO on his birthday down by 2. Happens.

[shinshiliukas]

When tied, do teams advance by direct comparison? Does that LTU has to win the next two games, while Bosnia loses both, so that LTU can advance?

The first tie-break criterion is points, not head-to-head result.

By points, they do not mean points scored in games, but points earned in group stage (2 points for a win, 1 point for a loss). Therefore, to answer lambchop question, Bosnia and Herzegovina will play France tomorrow. Should they win against France, they will advance and Lithuania is out. If Bosnia and Herzegovina, however, loses against France and Lithuania manages to win against Hungary, then everything will be decided in the last game. Bosnia and Herzegovina plays Lithuania - whoever wins, advances.

[SpreeS]

When tied, do teams advance by direct comparison? Does that LTU has to win the next two games, while Bosnia loses both, so that LTU can advance?

The first tie-break criterion is points, not head-to-head result.

In this case FRA could miss PO too if loses both to Bosnia and Slovenia and Lihuania wins both against Bosnia and Hungary.

[jk31]

Dear Lithuania,

We **** up. But there's nothing that can be done about it.

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Sincerely,

FIBA

Can't wait for the Turkey - Georgia statement.

lol, that statement is just weak. I mean, I am somewhat "happy" that we (germany) still go away with the W here, but this statement
How can it be that the protest reasons were not delivered within 60 minutes after the game, when they filed the protest during the game (like you have to do in the case of a protest - protests have to noted on the match report sheet).

I mean, I understand that this whole topic is a tricky situation. No matter how you decide, it will be wrong. Germany won after double OT ad you cannot tell for sure that Lithuania would've made this one free throw. Also you wouldn't know how this game would've developed if Lithuania had one more point the whole time, many decisions could've been decided differently.
On the other hand for Lithuania it is also a stupid situation. You go into overtime and the referees didn't reward you with one free throw that you earned that would've likely put you on top.

At the end I ask myself - if this protest would've been dealt with properly by the FIBA - where there really any chances that they approve the protest? I mean what could've been the outcome of it? There were basically only 3 options and 2 of them are not really viable in my opinion:
1) Do nothing and germany still wins
2) Repeat the game - there is just no timeframe for that in the course of such a closely timed tournament
3) Award Lithuania the win - Like stated before you cannot award point/win there in my opinion as Lithuania is not guaranteed to convert this freethrow at 100 % and also you don't know how the game develops differently afterwards.

So the outcome that we have here - germany keeping the W - was in my opinion the only realistic outcome. Again like many times the communication is just really horrible.

[Bob8]

Prime Saric was much better player than Vezenkov. He had some ball handling and playmaking abilities. Vezenkov is only spot up shooter. I don't believe either Saric or Vezenkov can have any kind of impact in Nba nowadays.

Saric looked like a potential star entering the league almost winning ROY. He's clearly a more skilled player, but unfortunately regressed a lot over time. A bubble-Dario, instead of unplayable Dario and Suns most likely win a championship a year ago. Vezenkov at best looks like a great role player, but averaging a double-double against best three teams in the group makes him a little bit more than 'only spot up shooter'. In this video there is also a mention of his cutting abilities as pointed out in a previous post.

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Problems for all those Europeans is the same. They have leading role, can shoot without limits, have big minutes in their NT and are physically adequate for competition. What would Vezenkov get in Suns? How will he looked in very limited role in environment, where he will have to compete with physically more gifted players?

[elillo]

Is Spain trying to avoid Lithuania in play-offs?

at Spain trying to choose a matchup.

As far as I'm concerned, reaching the best of 16 round and losing by less than 15 to whichever rival we face will be a success for us.

Still rooting because they're showing heart.

Spain has been known for doing that though. Not sure it makes much sense in this tournament with this current roster, but they have been known for avoiding certain matchups or throwing games, like in 2008 when they let the US crush them in the group stage game and then went all out in the final.

They did then, yes. Hardly the only ones to ever do it.

However, I'm talking about the current Spanish NT, which isn't good enough nor can afford to lose games on purpose.

[a-French-Fan]

When tied, do teams advance by direct comparison? Does that LTU has to win the next two games, while Bosnia loses both, so that LTU can advance?

The first tie-break criterion is points, not head-to-head result.

In this case FRA could miss PO too if loses both to Bosnia and Slovenia and Lihuania wins both against Bosnia and Hungary.

Actually France is officialy qualified. Indeed, they defeated Hungary and Lithuania. So if one of this nation win last two games, France is still qualified. Lithuania and France can't be in a complex equality between three nations.

To be first, France has to win last two games, and Germany to lose last 2 games. I don't see Germany defeated by Hungary. And 2d and 3rd place lead to a very hard quarter-final (Greece or Serbia). 4th sead would be easier (Spain wouldn't be easy, but easier than Greece or Serbia).
So I hope that France won't drop last 2 games ... But seen their current level, if they lose, we won't be able to say "they try to win" or "they give up the game".

[SpreeS]

The first tie-break criterion is points, not head-to-head result.

In this case FRA could miss PO too if loses both to Bosnia and Slovenia and Lihuania wins both against Bosnia and Hungary.

Actually France is officialy qualified. Indeed, they defeated Hungary and Lithuania. So if one of this nation win last two games, France is still qualified. Lithuania and France can't be in a complex equality between three nations.

To be first, France has to win last two games, and Germany to lose last 2 games. I don't see Germany defeated by Hungary. And 2d and 3rd place lead to a very hard quarter-final (Greece or Serbia). 4th sead would be easier (Spain wouldn't be easy, but easier than Greece or Serbia).
So I hope that France won't drop last 2 games ... But seen their current level, if they lose, we won't be able to say "they try to win" or "they give up the game".

I was misleading by previous post. In reality:

Rules for classification: 1) Points; 2) Head-to-head results; 3) Points difference; 4) Points scored.

So Lithuania doesnt have a chance agaisnt Slovenia/France if these teams would have two wins each

[Bob8]

In this case FRA could miss PO too if loses both to Bosnia and Slovenia and Lihuania wins both against Bosnia and Hungary.

Actually France is officialy qualified. Indeed, they defeated Hungary and Lithuania. So if one of this nation win last two games, France is still qualified. Lithuania and France can't be in a complex equality between three nations.

To be first, France has to win last two games, and Germany to lose last 2 games. I don't see Germany defeated by Hungary. And 2d and 3rd place lead to a very hard quarter-final (Greece or Serbia). 4th sead would be easier (Spain wouldn't be easy, but easier than Greece or Serbia).
So I hope that France won't drop last 2 games ... But seen their current level, if they lose, we won't be able to say "they try to win" or "they give up the game".

I was misleading by previous post. In reality:

Rules for classification: 1) Points; 2) Head-to-head results; 3) Points difference; 4) Points scored.

So Lithuania doesnt have a chance agaisnt Slovenia/France if these teams would have two wins each

Lithuania is out, if France loses against Bosnia.
They're out, if Bosnia beats them.
They're out, if Slovenia loses both matches, and they don't win against Bosnia by at least 6 points.

Slovenia is first, if they win both matches.

Interesting moment in this group is, being 4th is better than 2nd or 3rd.

[jk31]

Interesting moment in this group is, being 4th is better than 2nd or 3rd.

Important note, as this is absolutely true! Now as germany went on to win the first 3 games the game against slovenia is absolutely must-win now! It isn't really that important who you face in the eigth-finals from group A. Sure, playing against turkey in Berlin would be like a road game. But it is more important that you reach seed 1 to not go up against greece in the quarterfinals.

[bravor]

At some point, you build on a dynamic and try to improve chemistry in your team to win games in elimination rounds, you dont play the 'let's check who i should avoid'. Most teams which played this game had trouble baring Greece and Spain for couple tournamements.

In France's case, we badly need to improve the level of play of our bench, especially backcourt players. Our role players for now have delivered more than all the supposed 'semi stars' we have in the roster. And we have a major weakness at the wing if TLC doe snot wake the *bip* up. The guy makes a confusion between showing intensity and agressivity and being intense and agressive. If he keeps this stuff he should look for a roster spot in Hollywood...

The good thing is there is hope at least for one game everything clicks in and all players are on the same page, but man, we have a huge amount of stuff to fix, from pick n pop defense - hi, Gobert.. - , to rebounding - box out ffs... -, to pnr situations on both ends - at times Benneth would be proud of some of our bigs's picks... , the lack of drive and cuts instead of jacking 3's like we are the european gsw etc.
No alternance (which also means the freaking midrange..) is killing us for part of our games. Bad defense (and no transition scoring almost..) as well.

[Bob8]

Important note, as this is absolutely true! Now as germany went on to win the first 3 games the game against slovenia is absolutely must-win now! It isn't really that important who you face in the eigth-finals from group A. Sure, playing against turkey in Berlin would be like a road game. But it is more important that you reach seed 1 to not go up against greece in the quarterfinals.

...or seed 4.

[Pachinko_]

The key that turns this Greek team from good to great is Dorsey. Giannis will always be Giannis, one of the 'others" will always step up and help a little, bigs are slowly coming back from injuries, but when Dorsey shoots like that it adds an element that we haven't really had since Spanoulis.

He will eventually cool down from his current 57.9% from 3 but if he can keep it around 40% on good volume, this team can be special.