NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2)

[Statlanta]

Jokic is the best player in the world whether or not he wins this media/narrative driven award.

[DaFan334]

He was the main reason why Orlando was lingering in the third quarter . He should have put them away, all he was doing in the third quarter was running up and down. At least in the first half he was facilitating , but in the third quarter he did nothing, it was the completely an empty quarter for him and there are plenty of the games this season for him like this one tonight. There isn't a single reason why he should have taken only 11 attempts in the game, when he's the best scorer on that team. He can score in every possible way, pick and roll and pop, driving the basketball, posting people up, shooting three's He's average should be 20 attempts per game. Scoring the ball is a very important part if you are aiming to win MVP award. The Suns last two seasons were playing a great basketball yet nobody was taking Chris Paul seriously as the MVP candidate.

Paul was being talked about but wasn't putting up anywhere near the numbers Jokic was last year or this year. Your trolling is delusional at a certain point. This wasn't the prettiest game by the Nugs, but a W is a W and Jokic hit the clutch game-winner. You seem to miss that a large part of his brilliance is how involved he gets his teammates and how he doesn't waste all of his efforts scoring in a game against the Magic. You watch Jokic wanting a different player and are disappointed when he isn't some sort of NBA2K Kobe clone. I assume you will never be happy rooting for the player Jokic actually is despite being a huge fan, which must be very unsatisfying and sad. Sorry, not sorry.

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[Inspektor1312]

Scoring the ball is a very important part if you are aiming to win MVP award. The Suns last two seasons were playing a great basketball yet nobody was taking Chris Paul seriously as the MVP candidate.

That was never his aim, as he said multiple times. He doesn’t chase awards, unlike some other players.
His goal is to win, and he won tonight. Scored a game winner, too. That’s what MVPs do.
And regarding the CP3 comparison, don’t act like Jokić is averaging 15ppg lmao

[One Last Shot]

He was the main reason why Orlando was lingering in the third quarter . He should have put them away, all he was doing in the third quarter was running up and down. At least in the first half he was facilitating , but in the third quarter he did nothing, it was the completely an empty quarter for him and there are plenty of the games this season for him like this one tonight. There isn't a single reason why he should have taken only 11 attempts in the game, when he's the best scorer on that team. He can score in every possible way, pick and roll and pop, driving the basketball, posting people up, shooting three's He's average should be 20 attempts per game. Scoring the ball is a very important part if you are aiming to win MVP award. The Suns last two seasons were playing a great basketball yet nobody was taking Chris Paul seriously as the MVP candidate.

The main reason he's not taking so many shots is to integrate his injured teammates last year to find their groove heading into Playoffs. That's just common sense. He knows he can't win it all no matter how much he tried in PS without Murray/Porter playing well. He already won 2 MVPs, championship should be his priority at this point.

[AleksandarN]

Just to speak my peace on the little tiff that happened yesterday...

I'm the OP of this thread and I haven't even been clicking on it lately lol. I said something a few weeks ago and got called a delusional homer, and then yesterday I was angrily accused of cherry picking or something. (Like, what, was I supposed to post a graphic of how MVP candidates perform with none of their teammates on the court? That doesn't even happen to make a graphic about it.)

The posts I got chewed out for were positive and insulted no player or poster. It was just, hey look, my guy Tatum is good. Or even, hey look, all these players are good. I am an NBA fan and appreciate all the great players and I feel like I should be comfortable posting here without getting run out of town.

We all get that Jokic, Luka etc are amazing. There are a crap ton of posts about their amazingness. Other players are good too and should be welcome in the conversation without it being a federal offense. And friendly reminder that this thread is just for fun and our posts don't actually change anything in real life or make our preferred player the MVP lol. That's all I wanted to say about that. Carry on.

100 percent
This is the closest race we have had in a long time let’s just enjoy each other players. Cheers to all of them.

[Sedale Threatt]

He was the main reason why Orlando was lingering in the third quarter . He should have put them away, all he was doing in the third quarter was running up and down. At least in the first half he was facilitating , but in the third quarter he did nothing, it was the completely an empty quarter for him and there are plenty of the games this season for him like this one tonight. There isn't a single reason why he should have taken only 11 attempts in the game, when he's the best scorer on that team. He can score in every possible way, pick and roll and pop, driving the basketball, posting people up, shooting three's He's average should be 20 attempts per game. Scoring the ball is a very important part if you are aiming to win MVP award. The Suns last two seasons were playing a great basketball yet nobody was taking Chris Paul seriously as the MVP candidate.

Wait, you're a Nuggets fan?

[DaFan334]

He was the main reason why Orlando was lingering in the third quarter . He should have put them away, all he was doing in the third quarter was running up and down. At least in the first half he was facilitating , but in the third quarter he did nothing, it was the completely an empty quarter for him and there are plenty of the games this season for him like this one tonight. There isn't a single reason why he should have taken only 11 attempts in the game, when he's the best scorer on that team. He can score in every possible way, pick and roll and pop, driving the basketball, posting people up, shooting three's He's average should be 20 attempts per game. Scoring the ball is a very important part if you are aiming to win MVP award. The Suns last two seasons were playing a great basketball yet nobody was taking Chris Paul seriously as the MVP candidate.

Wait, you're a Nuggets fan?

Naw... He doesn't know NugLife. Just a hating troll who watches some games...

[Sgt Major]

He was the main reason why Orlando was lingering in the third quarter . He should have put them away, all he was doing in the third quarter was running up and down. At least in the first half he was facilitating , but in the third quarter he did nothing, it was the completely an empty quarter for him and there are plenty of the games this season for him like this one tonight. There isn't a single reason why he should have taken only 11 attempts in the game, when he's the best scorer on that team. He can score in every possible way, pick and roll and pop, driving the basketball, posting people up, shooting three's He's average should be 20 attempts per game. Scoring the ball is a very important part if you are aiming to win MVP award. The Suns last two seasons were playing a great basketball yet nobody was taking Chris Paul seriously as the MVP candidate.

Wait, you're a Nuggets fan?

He's a Jokic stats fan

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[Ryoga Hibiki]

Tonight's game is the prime example why Jokic is far from being MVP front runner this season and personally I don't have him in the MVP race at all. I don't care that he scored a game winning three, once again he was passive entire game , he took 11 shots and he refused to take the shots even against 3,4 inch's shorter players. In the third quarter he practically did nothing , yet he will get the high praises , how he was great facilitator etc. You can't be MVP candidate if you are deferring to your teammates. They were lucky they won this game but if this was the loss , this would have been another loss on Jokic this season. Where he wasn't aggressive and was playing alibi basketball, hiding behind his teammates. Its too bad, because he can dominate games when he wants to, but this season he's been way too inconsistent . He just don't want it this season, which is the shame.

quite an odd take after a won game in which he was +16.
Moreover, a game just after he missed another one for injury.

[LessEyeTest]

FWIW Mickey isn’t an unhinged posts a la eyeatoma. He’s actually a Jokic fan and I feel like he’s attempting to reverse jinx Jokic lol.

Also Mickey - you’re a Serb (or somewhere from the Balkan’s), yeah? Zdravo brate

[Bergmaniac]

Imagine watching this game and thinking Jokic was the problem for the Nuggets in the second half. He took his foot off the pedal for a bit early on in the third quarter but then stepped up again and Denver had an 11 point lead when he went to the bench with 2 minutes left in the third. Then Denver's play immediately collapsed on both ends and we made a 23-11 run in 6 minutes with the Nuggets looking completely out of sorts. Then Jokic came back and they suddenly looked like a good team again, though Murray with his ballhogging tried pretty hard to help us win this one.

[Sharkboy242]

FWIW Mickey isn’t an unhinged posts a la eyeatoma. He’s actually a Jokic fan and I feel like he’s attempting to reverse jinx Jokic lol.

Also Mickey - you’re a Serb (or somewhere from the Balkan’s), yeah? Zdravo brate

Concern trolling is worse than what eyetoma does in my opinion. At least lay your arguments out in good faith and be upfront about what you think is important, i.e. he doesnt care if the nuggets win or lose, he doesnt care about any other player on the nuggets, hes just concerned with Jokic’ getting his point totals up. Find a different player to cheer for if that’s your take because Jokic is the antithesis of that.

[scrabbarista]

Bbref:

64.3% - Jokic
11.2% - Doncic
7.7% - Embiid
4.2% - Tatum
3.3% - Sabonis
3.1% - Durant
2.9% - Antetokounmpo
1.5% - Morant
1.0% - Mitchell
<1.0% - Gilgeous-Alexander

[Mickey8]

FWIW Mickey isn’t an unhinged posts a la eyeatoma. He’s actually a Jokic fan and I feel like he’s attempting to reverse jinx Jokic lol.

Also Mickey - you’re a Serb (or somewhere from the Balkan’s), yeah? Zdravo brate

Of course I am Jokic's fan . I am just being objective this season ,not unhinged . He's not playing at the MVP level most of the nights like he did last two seasons . Yet he's getting too many credits on these boards for some reason. As I said, last night game is an example how he gets too many praises, when he's play in actuality was very poor, on both ends of the court. That last shot bailed him out, before that he was avoiding shooting the ball even when he had mismatches , like guards guarding him. He took the hardest shot in the game , which by the way was not the good shot selection , because he had Porter open for the three, yet he refused to take the good shots when he was open or playing against the smaller players one on one all game long, go figure

[Colbinii]

Bbref:

64.3% - Jokic
11.2% - Doncic
7.7% - Embiid
4.2% - Tatum
3.3% - Sabonis
3.1% - Durant
2.9% - Antetokounmpo
1.5% - Morant
1.0% - Mitchell
>1.0% - Gilgeous-Alexander

Is SGA suppose to be < 1% because >1% makes no sense

[B-easy]

Of course I am Jokic's fan . I am just being objective this season ,not unhinged . He's not playing at the MVP level most of the nights like he did last two seasons . Yet he's getting too many credits on these boards for some reason. ...

Kind of agree. He was better last season. He is way too passive with his shot. Still MVP though.

[BelgradeNugget]

While I don't agree with Mickey on 90% of things he says, and I don't really care about MVP race, just want Nuggets to win it all, I must say this time he had some good points.

MPJ's open 3 in the corner would have been better shot, Jok said he didn't see him and we can't criticize player that sees 99,9% of things in bb court real time with super fast athletes jumping around him.
But I also think sometimes Jokic is skipping shots he may get by simply going 1on1 in plaint against guards. He has one of the best % on paint shots out of restricted area in history, so he simply must exploit mismatches he get, and I think he passed out of these mismatches at least 2-3 times last night. I'm OK with him not shooting at all as long as other players shots are falling, but if not he must take his shots.

Also his/Nuggets defense was **** in 2 half (great in 1st). Anyway, we got away with W, good for us.

[Genjuro]

I think Joker had a great game and could have been even better. He gave up some shots that he shouldn't have. But we're demanding perfection to the most efficient player in the game.

Yes, he could play even better, but I think he's arguably the leader of the MVP race at this point.

[youngthegiant]

Jokic got a team with Facu Campazzo, Austin Rivers, Jeff Green, Will Barton, Rookie Bones Hyland,and Jamychal Green playing heavy minutes to 48 wins. If Luka can't get this Mavs team to 48 wins(they need to go 24-13) he's automatically disqualified from the MVP race. You gotta elevate your team not just yourself.

[bisme37]

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