2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 3: Son of daughter of MVP thread)

[Special_Puppy]

Why is it the easiest MVP race in recent history? Jokic and SGA are very close in the traditional and advanced stats

That is exactly why its not close. Because on top of that, the Thunder are flirting with the best point differential ever and SGA is the only star on the team.

I don't think the vote will be particularly close this year.

The Thunder have 2 all stars and the best defensive roster in the NBA.

Even without Chet, this is the second most talented roster in the NBA.

I dont understand why people can't accept that SGA can be MVP, but is not playing as well as Jokic

SGA is close with Jokic in DPM, is leading Jokic in EPM, is close with Jokic in LEBRON, and has a historic BPM. It’s 100% reasonable to think SGA has outplayed Jokic this season even setting aside win-loss record

[MaliBrah]

Why is it the easiest MVP race in recent history? Jokic and SGA are very close in the traditional and advanced stats

That is exactly why its not close. Because on top of that, the Thunder are flirting with the best point differential ever and SGA is the only star on the team.

I don't think the vote will be particularly close this year.

The Thunder have 2 all stars and the best defensive roster in the NBA.

Even without Chet, this is the second most talented roster in the NBA.

I dont understand why people can't accept that SGA can be MVP, but is not playing as well as Jokic

he's playing every bit as good as him the numbers say it , defence matters. That doesn't mean I think he's better but yeah

[Special_Puppy]

You can go wrong because the biggest tiebreaker with MVP is always win loss record.

How much do the difference in net rating do you think is because of SGA being more valuable than Jokic this season vs SGA’s supporting cast being more valuable than Jokic’s this season?

SGA has been without Chet for most of the season. He’s carrying those dudes.

You don’t really answer my question. Do you think the gap in net rating is like 90% SGA being more valuable than Jokic this season? 50%? 30%? 10%?

[RRR3]

Why is it the easiest MVP race in recent history? Jokic and SGA are very close in the traditional and advanced stats

That is exactly why its not close. Because on top of that, the Thunder are flirting with the best point differential ever and SGA is the only star on the team.

I don't think the vote will be particularly close this year.

The Thunder have 2 all stars and the best defensive roster in the NBA.

Even without Chet, this is the second most talented roster in the NBA.

I dont understand why people can't accept that SGA can be MVP, but is not playing as well as Jokic

Literally every impact stat says they're neck and neck, you have been told this over and over again, but continue to insist your opinion is more reliable than the data

[1993Playoffs]

This SGA season gotta be one of the best SG seasons in a good while

[RRR3]

This SGA season gotta be one of the best SG seasons in a good while

Well he's a point guard not a shooting guard but yeah it's the best since Curry 2016 I'd say.

[Special_Puppy]

This SGA season gotta be one of the best SG seasons in a good while

Harden 2018-2020?

[Special_Puppy]

It would be super lame if voters picked SGA over Jokic because of the insanely lazy team record argument not because they think SGA has outplayed Jokic at an individual level (which there’s a good case for)

[1993Playoffs]

This SGA season gotta be one of the best SG seasons in a good while

Harden 2018-2020?

I thought about him but there’s such a gap on defense

[AleksandarN]

SGA is massively ahead after tonight. If you’re arguing for Jokic at this point you’re just a homer.

And you are a Jokic hater. Because of some of his Stans on this board. It is really really sad bro

[Special_Puppy]

SGA is massively ahead after tonight. If you’re arguing for Jokic at this point you’re just a homer.

And you are a Jokic hater. Because of some of his Stans on this board. It is really really sad bro

Guy who is furious that people are overrating a 3x MVP.

[Exp0sed]

everyone posting here are correct: SGA is leading by alot now

yes, the Thunder are better than the Nuggets but with SGA back to his season long form as he did last night, he is easily the MVP

[canada_dry]

You’re a homer if you’re arguing for the player who’s basically tied with the “clear choice” in traditional and advanced stats? Both Jokic and SGA are having ATG seasons and you can’t go wrong picking either one

You can go wrong because the biggest tiebreaker with MVP is always win loss record.

How much do the difference in net rating do you think is because of SGA being more valuable than Jokic this season vs SGA’s supporting cast being more valuable than Jokic’s this season?

You got this on copy n paste ready to go at all times huh?

[Big J]

It would be super lame if voters picked SGA over Jokic because of the insanely lazy team record argument not because they think SGA has outplayed Jokic at an individual level (which there’s a good case for)

Team record and narrative have always been a big piece of who wins MVP. You can call it lazy, but those things factor into who wins it, and they always have.

[MoneyTalks41890]

It would be super lame if voters picked SGA over Jokic because of the insanely lazy team record argument not because they think SGA has outplayed Jokic at an individual level (which there’s a good case for)

Team record and narrative have always been a big piece of who wins MVP. You can call it lazy, but those things factor into who wins it, and they always have.

Every now and again people want to treat this as an offensive player of the year award, which it is not and has never been.

[Infinite Llamas]

It would be super lame if voters picked SGA over Jokic because of the insanely lazy team record argument not because they think SGA has outplayed Jokic at an individual level (which there’s a good case for)

Team record and narrative have always been a big piece of who wins MVP. You can call it lazy, but those things factor into who wins it, and they always have.

Every now and again people want to treat this as an offensive player of the year award, which it is not and has never been.

I mean, DPOY does exist for a reason. There have been several winners of the MVP not known for their defense from Iverson to Westbrook to Harden and so forth.

[Special_Puppy]

It would be super lame if voters picked SGA over Jokic because of the insanely lazy team record argument not because they think SGA has outplayed Jokic at an individual level (which there’s a good case for)

Team record and narrative have always been a big piece of who wins MVP. You can call it lazy, but those things factor into who wins it, and they always have.

Every now and again people want to treat this as an offensive player of the year award, which it is not and has never been.

Would be totally happy if someone cited SGA's defensive advantage over Jokic as the reason they were picking SGA for MVP

[eminence]

Not confident which of the two is better currently, but SGA is pretty easily my MVP pick - at least small preference to team level and to spreading awards around if other areas are close.

[AleksandarN]

Unless the Nuggets and Jokic can get within 6 games of Shai and the Thunder this is Shai’s to lose. The only other way is if Shai plays absolutely garbage down the stretch. I don’t see that happening.

[Big J]

Team record and narrative have always been a big piece of who wins MVP. You can call it lazy, but those things factor into who wins it, and they always have.

Every now and again people want to treat this as an offensive player of the year award, which it is not and has never been.

Would be totally happy if someone cited SGA's defensive advantage over Jokic as the reason they were picking SGA for MVP

His defense advantage is that he doesn’t play center and get blown by at the rim on a regular basis. Jokic concedes easy baskets in order to avoid fouling. This is a known fact.