Luka AD trade thread Part II

[Enso]

Pelinka dressed like he’s trying take your kids to a bts concert

[Dirk2Doncic]

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Luka's going to eat Dallas alive, spit them out, chew some more before spitting them out again and then point to Manchurian Candidate GM every time for the next eight years.

And as a now former Mavericks fan living in DFW I'm going to love it!!!

Luka, come BURY this franchise, early and often.

[CPNorings]

This does level the playing field for Luka’s FA in a few years. In the abstract, hard to imagine him leaving LA, but imagine if Denver can clear the decks and offer the chance for Luka to join Jokic?

Also, we’re now on Day 4 of no email communications from the Mavs (I’m on the listervs, been waiting to cancel). They know whenever they send something out they’re gonna lose 50% of their email list or more. No hype for Davis or nothing.

Just move the freaking team to Vegas, that’s the goal.

[Yuri36]

Pelinka dressed like he’s trying take your kids to a bts concert

Or like a divorced dad in his first Tinder date

[TheGeneral99]

The most annoying thing is the Lakers get another all-time great...**** sucks, lol.

It was such a good story having another euro in Luka taking the reigns from Dirk and playing together as a rookie vs. final year as a vet.

[TheGeneral99]

Nico is going to realize just how many nights Doncic carried the team. You could count on Doncic bullying his way to 30, grabbing rebounds, making nice passes. Problem I see is a lot of guys they've had thrived off Luka getting double teamed and trapped. How does this impact guys value when they are not getting easy shots off Doncic passes

They will need Lively healthy playing next to AD to be something. The overall spacing is going to be way different than playing four out. The overall level of passing and ball movement you will just have to see if that part works.

The West is just so crazy tight in the standings. With Lively out I would worry they drop games in the standings. Maybe not even get into a playoff series to see if the experiment works. The play in being a one game do or die is difficult. With the core guys being older the window just tightens that much more.

With Luka they probably had 8-10 years of being able to make a run. With AD it has gotta be 2-3 years.

Luka is one of 2-3 players in this league who gives your team a chance every single year in the playoffs. You only find players like this once a decade.

[ROballer]

This does level the playing field for Luka’s FA in a few years. In the abstract, hard to imagine him leaving LA, but imagine if Denver can clear the decks and offer the chance for Luka to join Jokic?

Also, we’re now on Day 4 of no email communications from the Mavs (I’m on the listervs, been waiting to cancel). They know whenever they send something out they’re gonna lose 50% of their email list or more. No hype for Davis or nothing.

Just move the freaking team to Vegas, that’s the goal.

Lakers have only Vanderbilt on their payday on a fairly movable contract by the time Jokic can become a free agent.

If they really want to team up and are actively talking about that, it's gonna be in LA, sorry to burst your bubble.

[G R E Y]

Nico is going to realize just how many nights Doncic carried the team. You could count on Doncic bullying his way to 30, grabbing rebounds, making nice passes. Problem I see is a lot of guys they've had thrived off Luka getting double teamed and trapped. How does this impact guys value when they are not getting easy shots off Doncic passes

They will need Lively healthy playing next to AD to be something. The overall spacing is going to be way different than playing four out. The overall level of passing and ball movement you will just have to see if that part works.

The West is just so crazy tight in the standings. With Lively out I would worry they drop games in the standings. Maybe not even get into a playoff series to see if the experiment works. The play in being a one game do or die is difficult. With the core guys being older the window just tightens that much more.

With Luka they probably had 8-10 years of being able to make a run. With AD it has gotta be 2-3 years.

Luka is one of 2-3 players in this league who gives your team a chance every single year in the playoffs. You only find players like this once a decade.

It's that 3-4 year window to watch for. Manchurian Candidate GM doesn't care about 10 years from now. He knows he won't be around. He said himself it's this window he's targeting. We'll see what happens with the team then. Shady AF.

[mcmurphy]

I'm thinking of a trade equivalent to the Doncic-AD.

It's like the Denver GM propose to the Philadelphia GM a Jokic for Paul George + 1 pick.

"That fat big man Jokic doesn't play defense... to win we need someone like PG13... the fans and Malone will understand".

Denver would get burned.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

But does a billion dollar business let anyone but the owner make a decision of this magnitude without communicating with other people? I don’t know - I have been in the corp world for a long time, and I have never seen anyone not named the owner make a decision of this level that will change the fundamental business strategy for a decade in isolation. I think Nico is lying about not talking to anyone to protect the guilty -

Companies love meetings- and I’m sure there were meetings- If yall think Nico did this alone, then Dallas is indeed the dumbest billion dollar business on earth

This is being confirmed by beat writers and their sources in the org, apparently. Even Mark Cuban was stunned.
Everything is pointing at the notion that Nico went rogue and make this call on his own, while the new ownership just gave him full authority.
Hence this is not about "The Mavs know Luka better than anybody" but "how much do we trust this guy's judgement".
Once again, for what we've seen so far about Luka a trade like this is ridiculous, so zero benefit of the doubt.

you really buying that LOL

NO ONE HAS THAT POWER....the Owner could say HELLLLL NO at the last moment and cancel the Trade at the last second.

lets be clear to you guys that don't work in big corp- 300-500+ million dollar asset (Luka is worth WAYYYYY more than his contract just like Lebron and every other superstar) is something that lawyers on both sides have and owners on both sides need to sign off to make SURE there isn't nothing illegal. hell the mavs can fail AD during the health check for ANYTHING if they didn't want this deal to go down.. NICO and the MAVS are doing the right thing by making this SOUND like a NICO issue...but the guys on this board that work in banking, business, private equity and or deal with M&A, they know this is pretty much impossible to be done by a rouge GM. the owners and the boards always have a final say when this much money is in play. Consider this...the trade isn't done on a handshake...once the deal started being worked the mavs and lakers "deal teams" started going over the contract details.


you guys really sound naive about one man having this much power- can you imagine if someone in cleveland tried to trade 25 year old Lebron out of Cleveland...you think the owners wouldn't have something to say about it...

man most of y'all married MFers don't realize you can't sell your house without your wife's signature...hell you can't even sell your car in many states without your wife signing off. OH and that goes for BUYING A HOUSE TOO...you cant do that without your spouse...but y'all think a multi billion dollar business letting one dude move a 500 million dollar asset over coffee with his BEST FRIEND....

if that really happen someone needs to get Marios tall green brother to deal with Nico for crushing a cities fan base and handing the lakers 3 chips and 3 mvps

I am not naive, I have worked for 16 years for a company with a 80b market cap, reaching Senior Director level
But that's not how NBA teams work.
They are more similar to some mid sized privately owned companies, with the founder making all the calls , even the most irrational ones. Limited set of procedures, no steong internal audit. This has been told to me when I had some connections a few decades ago of people working in the League, but also confirmed last year or so by John Hollinger during a Twitter Spaces.

What likely happened is that the only people.who new abiut this thing were Rob, Nico, Jeannie and the mobster running the Mavs. More and this would have leaked.
Dumont, according to all accounts, is not into sport and only care about gambling rules in Texas. So it's very possible the perfect storm was created and Nico could make this amazing call basically on his own.

[LegendOfSalmons]

All I'm going to say is that Nico is the fall guy. The Mavericks ownership knew exactly what they were doing.

[th87]

But does a billion dollar business let anyone but the owner make a decision of this magnitude without communicating with other people? I don’t know - I have been in the corp world for a long time, and I have never seen anyone not named the owner make a decision of this level that will change the fundamental business strategy for a decade in isolation. I think Nico is lying about not talking to anyone to protect the guilty -

Companies love meetings- and I’m sure there were meetings- If yall think Nico did this alone, then Dallas is indeed the dumbest billion dollar business on earth

This is being confirmed by beat writers and their sources in the org, apparently. Even Mark Cuban was stunned.
Everything is pointing at the notion that Nico went rogue and make this call on his own, while the new ownership just gave him full authority.
Hence this is not about "The Mavs know Luka better than anybody" but "how much do we trust this guy's judgement".
Once again, for what we've seen so far about Luka a trade like this is ridiculous, so zero benefit of the doubt.

you really buying that LOL

NO ONE HAS THAT POWER....the Owner could say HELLLLL NO at the last moment and cancel the Trade at the last second.

lets be clear to you guys that don't work in big corp- 300-500+ million dollar asset (Luka is worth WAYYYYY more than his contract just like Lebron and every other superstar) is something that lawyers on both sides have and owners on both sides need to sign off to make SURE there isn't nothing illegal. hell the mavs can fail AD during the health check for ANYTHING if they didn't want this deal to go down.. NICO and the MAVS are doing the right thing by making this SOUND like a NICO issue...but the guys on this board that work in banking, business, private equity and or deal with M&A, they know this is pretty much impossible to be done by a rouge GM. the owners and the boards always have a final say when this much money is in play. Consider this...the trade isn't done on a handshake...once the deal started being worked the mavs and lakers "deal teams" started going over the contract details.


you guys really sound naive about one man having this much power- can you imagine if someone in cleveland tried to trade 25 year old Lebron out of Cleveland...you think the owners wouldn't have something to say about it...

man most of y'all married MFers don't realize you can't sell your house without your wife's signature...hell you can't even sell your car in many states without your wife signing off. OH and that goes for BUYING A HOUSE TOO...you cant do that without your spouse...but y'all think a multi billion dollar business letting one dude move a 500 million dollar asset over coffee with his BEST FRIEND....

Exactly! It's a huge process. They act like they press a red "Trade" button, and once it's pressed, no takebacks.

Not disputing Ryoga Hibiki's account either, but he definitely was working with someone's blessing. Why keep it a secret within the org if he believes in it?

[Dirk2Doncic]

Mavs fans are cancelling their season tickets. Mavs brass didn't anticipate this level of backlash.
If I was a Mavs fan, I would hope for a crash and burn this season, Kidd quits after missing the playoffs, and Harrison gets fired.

Yes!

The franchise crashed and burned the moment the trade happened. But the sooner in every way that this happens, the better.

I live here in DFW and have been a fan of this team since it's inception. I am no longer a fan of this team. I pull for every team in the league to bury the Dallas Mavericks going forward.

Maybe someday when the egomaniac tone deaf corporate shoe salesman GM is gone I'll reconsider. Maybe.

[th87]

Im gonna laugh my ass off when this is irrelevant because both teams make the playoffs but both of these guys are out injured.


(not that I want anyone to get hurt but the odds of this happening seem pretty decent)

It becomes irrelevant if that happens every year for the next decade.

[th87]

I find it interesting none of his Mavs teammates come to his defense or shown concern/farewell afterward....but, the rest of the world is on his side.

They don't want to be traded.

[Exp0sed]

This does level the playing field for Luka’s FA in a few years. In the abstract, hard to imagine him leaving LA, but imagine if Denver can clear the decks and offer the chance for Luka to join Jokic?

Also, we’re now on Day 4 of no email communications from the Mavs (I’m on the listervs, been waiting to cancel). They know whenever they send something out they’re gonna lose 50% of their email list or more. No hype for Davis or nothing.

Just move the freaking team to Vegas, that’s the goal.

Lakers have only Vanderbilt on their payday on a fairly movable contract by the time Jokic can become a free agent.

If they really want to team up and are actively talking about that, it's gonna be in LA, sorry to burst your bubble.

Jokic ain't like that. neither is Doncic btw...but he isn't leaving Denver, he's a lifer.

[Archx]

I'm thinking of a trade equivalent to the Doncic-AD.

It's like the Denver GM propose to the Philadelphia GM a Jokic for Paul George + 1 pick.

"That fat big man Jokic doesn't play defense... to win we need someone like PG13... the fans and Malone will understand".

Denver would get burned.

You would need to add "Nuggets GM also fired Jokic's personal trainer before season started, a guy who got him in best shape in years"

Then you would fully understand how absurd this entire thing was. And on the way out you also had the balls to call him fat. Then people would finally fully understand the level of disrespect. Because that actually happened here.

[th87]

Mavs fans are cancelling their season tickets. Mavs brass didn't anticipate this level of backlash.
If I was a Mavs fan, I would hope for a crash and burn this season, Kidd quits after missing the playoffs, and Harrison gets fired.

People should buy nosebleeds and protest during games.

[bledredwine]

Nico is going to realize just how many nights Doncic carried the team. You could count on Doncic bullying his way to 30, grabbing rebounds, making nice passes. Problem I see is a lot of guys they've had thrived off Luka getting double teamed and trapped. How does this impact guys value when they are not getting easy shots off Doncic passes

They will need Lively healthy playing next to AD to be something. The overall spacing is going to be way different than playing four out. The overall level of passing and ball movement you will just have to see if that part works.

The West is just so crazy tight in the standings. With Lively out I would worry they drop games in the standings. Maybe not even get into a playoff series to see if the experiment works. The play in being a one game do or die is difficult. With the core guys being older the window just tightens that much more.

With Luka they probably had 8-10 years of being able to make a run. With AD it has gotta be 2-3 years.

Luka is one of 2-3 players in this league who gives your team a chance every single year in the playoffs. You only find players like this once a decade.

Yep. I was watching a Jimmyhighroller (spelling?) YT video and he was stressing how franchise players win championships and that as a Blazers fan, he's had 3 total for the franchise, and had issues with one of them.

When you find that unicorn, you hold onto him for dear life, regardless of contract and even injury. He then mentioned Embiid and other stars that were way less reliable being paid the big bucks.

[G R E Y]

Nico is going to realize just how many nights Doncic carried the team. You could count on Doncic bullying his way to 30, grabbing rebounds, making nice passes. Problem I see is a lot of guys they've had thrived off Luka getting double teamed and trapped. How does this impact guys value when they are not getting easy shots off Doncic passes

They will need Lively healthy playing next to AD to be something. The overall spacing is going to be way different than playing four out. The overall level of passing and ball movement you will just have to see if that part works.

The West is just so crazy tight in the standings. With Lively out I would worry they drop games in the standings. Maybe not even get into a playoff series to see if the experiment works. The play in being a one game do or die is difficult. With the core guys being older the window just tightens that much more.

With Luka they probably had 8-10 years of being able to make a run. With AD it has gotta be 2-3 years.

Luka is one of 2-3 players in this league who gives your team a chance every single year in the playoffs. You only find players like this once a decade.

It's that 3-4 year window to watch for. Manchurian Candidate GM doesn't care about 10 years from now. He knows he won't be around. He said himself it's this window he's targeting. We'll see what happens with the team then. Shady AF.

Well holy ****. Would you look at that...

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