Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV (Must read Post 1)

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[Richfield]

So this is not about the news channel doing the interview. We know there is bias on both sides, always. This about the man being interviewed.. and his suggestions about logistics. A man who knows a little more than most. His opinion..

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[LKN]

This is a public servic announcement. The US has a population that is five to six times larger than Italy's. Not so sure why some of you are so worried if our raw numbers are surpassing theirs. Just based on population you should expect that. Where you need to be concerned is ICU rates. As long as we have enough beds, we will not look like Italy. The US also has this thing called the military that is much larger than Italy's that it can deploy and we have a few more ventilators than Italy.

I'm not saying we should not be concerned, but focusing on raw numbers is a bit silly when a country is not as populous.

It's not the raw numbers, it's the pattern.

Also, it matters little to a few hotspots that they are part of a larger population. If 10s of thousands of New Yorkers die in a span of 2 months, would you minimize that because there are 330 million other Americans left (even if fully ignoring that it is spreading all across the country now, at differing timelines.

NY will be out of ICU beds this week - with spread continuing - and if the military ends up occupied with the early outbreak places like NY and CA and Wa, who is going to help when FL and OH and TN and LA explode?

It's not the present day snapshot that matters, it's the nearly unabated pattern of growth so far.

And outside of hotspots people are still not taking it seriously. People are out and about all over the place here in NC

[marco102]

The US has fewer hospital beds per capita than Italy

Yeah, but we have more ventilators and that's what the main problem is in Italy.

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/03/21/the-ventilator-problem

I hope those numbers are right... gives me some hope. Kind of crazy that we supposedly have ventilators yet nurses in NYC have resorted to wearing garbage bags due to the lack of gowns!


I really hope that today's #s out of Italy continue tomorrow and that their social distancing measures worked.


While the US has more overall capacity just "shipping someone to another ICU" isn't really a thing a lot of the time - they'll be dead before they would get there.

A real concern is if this thing gets loose in more rural small towns - a lot of them don't even have a single ICU bed in the country and the residents tend to be older with high incidence of obesity, diabetes, etc

Agreed, but it is a more viable option than what Italy has, no?

[marco102]

This is a public servic announcement. The US has a population that is five to six times larger than Italy's. Not so sure why some of you are so worried if our raw numbers are surpassing theirs. Just based on population you should expect that. Where you need to be concerned is ICU rates. As long as we have enough beds, we will not look like Italy. The US also has this thing called the military that is much larger than Italy's that it can deploy and we have a few more ventilators than Italy.

I'm not saying we should not be concerned, but focusing on raw numbers is a bit silly when a country is not as populous.

It's not the raw numbers, it's the pattern.

Also, it matters little to a few hotspots that they are part of a larger population. If 10s of thousands of New Yorkers die in a span of 2 months, would you minimize that because there are 330 million other Americans left (even if fully ignoring that it is spreading all across the country now, at differing timelines.

NY will be out of ICU beds this week - with spread continuing - and if the military ends up occupied with the early outbreak places like NY and CA and Wa, who is going to help when FL and OH and TN and LA explode?

It's not the present day snapshot that matters, it's the nearly unabated pattern of growth so far.

And outside of hotspots people are still not taking it seriously. People are out and about all over the place here in NC

There are way more people everywhere off the streets. If it spreads among those people going out, oh well. However, what everyone is trying to do is slow the spread. I know tons more people taking this seriously than who are ignoring. Many young people I know are taking it much more seriously too. The private sector making people work from home is great. They were doing that before these govenors order the closings and stay at home.

We are a free country so you won't even have 80% of the people follwing the rules, but if we can reduce the infection rate by 40% by most sensible people following the rules. It's worth it.

[LKN]

It's not the raw numbers, it's the pattern.

Also, it matters little to a few hotspots that they are part of a larger population. If 10s of thousands of New Yorkers die in a span of 2 months, would you minimize that because there are 330 million other Americans left (even if fully ignoring that it is spreading all across the country now, at differing timelines.

NY will be out of ICU beds this week - with spread continuing - and if the military ends up occupied with the early outbreak places like NY and CA and Wa, who is going to help when FL and OH and TN and LA explode?

It's not the present day snapshot that matters, it's the nearly unabated pattern of growth so far.

And outside of hotspots people are still not taking it seriously. People are out and about all over the place here in NC

There are way more people everywhere off the streets. If it spreads among those people going out, oh well. However, what everyone is trying to do is slow the spread. I know tons more people taking this seriously than who are ignoring. Many young people I know are taking it much more seriously too. The private sector making people work from home is great. They were doing that before these govenors order the closings and stay at home.

We are a free country so you won't even have 80% of the people follwing the rules, but if we can reduce the infection rate by 40% by most sensible people following the rules. It's worth it.

Yeah I agree that we are at least doing something. I think how compliant people are is pretty dependent on where you live.

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[Kabookalu]

I had to drive my boss to Riverside California, an area somewhat not effected by the virus. Since all the restaurants were closed we had to go inside of a Target to get lunch for food (my boss hates fast food so that was not an option he wanted to opt for). Inside barely anyone was keeping their distance from each other. My boss and I were the only ones wearing gloves and a mask. While we were in line I overhead a group of older women complaining that they couldn't do the things they usually did.

We weren't in a state not as effected by this like Wyoming, we were only an hour out from Los Angeles. People aren't going to take this seriously until it effects their own communities.

[SSUBluesman]

This is a public servic announcement. The US has a population that is five to six times larger than Italy's. Not so sure why some of you are so worried if our raw numbers are surpassing theirs. Just based on population you should expect that. Where you need to be concerned is ICU rates. As long as we have enough beds, we will not look like Italy. The US also has this thing called the military that is much larger than Italy's that it can deploy and we have a few more ventilators than Italy.

I'm not saying we should not be concerned, but focusing on raw numbers is a bit silly when a country is not as populous.

It's not the raw numbers, it's the pattern.

Also, it matters little to a few hotspots that they are part of a larger population. If 10s of thousands of New Yorkers die in a span of 2 months, would you minimize that because there are 330 million other Americans left (even if fully ignoring that it is spreading all across the country now, at differing timelines.

NY will be out of ICU beds this week - with spread continuing - and if the military ends up occupied with the early outbreak places like NY and CA and Wa, who is going to help when FL and OH and TN and LA explode?

It's not the present day snapshot that matters, it's the nearly unabated pattern of growth so far.

And outside of hotspots people are still not taking it seriously. People are out and about all over the place here in NC

Yea I just don't get it.

I've been largely homebound all winter, looking forward to being free once weather and situational circumstances improved. I may have already had it, I've got kids so I'm probably carrying it if I didn't have it. And I've been locked inside for weeks.

I truly believe others have a comfortable level, a "It can't happen here" that prevents them from realizing the gravity of the situation. This is why by and large the younger generations are more accepting of what's coming because they've felt how awful things have been for 10+ years.

[bwgood77]

This is a public servic announcement. The US has a population that is five to six times larger than Italy's. Not so sure why some of you are so worried if our raw numbers are surpassing theirs. Just based on population you should expect that. Where you need to be concerned is ICU rates. As long as we have enough beds, we will not look like Italy. The US also has this thing called the military that is much larger than Italy's that it can deploy and we have a few more ventilators than Italy.

I'm not saying we should not be concerned, but focusing on raw numbers is a bit silly when a country is not as populous.

New York has over 15,000 patients with Covid-19 and that is only with tested patients. We don't know how long the virus has been in New York and have no idea how many people truly have it. There could be thousands to a million people in New York with the virus at this very moment.

I'd actually be curious in the hospitalization rate of infected people. That would let us know how long it's going to be until we run out of beds.

Unfortunately I don't see any way that doesn't happen now

I was wondering about that too...and was going to ask it here, but then kind of got the answer on one of your earlier links..this shows infected - whether serious/critical or mild.... https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

So 95/5....and of course a lot of people who are mild are not tested so it's probably less than that. Now some will move from mild to serious but that % has stayed constant the last few days.

[Driguez]

FL sucks right now. We went up quickly to 1100 infected, that number is about to balloon as people are actually getting tested now. Not sure what the governor is waiting for to lock the state down.

[LKN]

New York has over 15,000 patients with Covid-19 and that is only with tested patients. We don't know how long the virus has been in New York and have no idea how many people truly have it. There could be thousands to a million people in New York with the virus at this very moment.

I'd actually be curious in the hospitalization rate of infected people. That would let us know how long it's going to be until we run out of beds.

Unfortunately I don't see any way that doesn't happen now

I was wondering about that too...and was going to ask it here, but then kind of got the answer on one of your earlier links..this shows infected - whether serious/critical or mild.... https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

So 95/5....and of course a lot of people who are mild are not tested so it's probably less than that. Now some will move from mild to serious but that % has stayed constant the last few days.

Yeah - just be aware (at this is my understanding) that the data on that is pretty incomplete there.

Heck - apparently not all death/infection data is even public - so none of us really know what it looks like.

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[Pharmcat]

can we please stop pretending this only impacts older people?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/22/us/georgia-coronavirus-girl-hospitalized/index.html

(CNN)Emma, a 12-year-old girl, is "fighting for her life" in an Atlanta hospital after testing positive for the coronavirus, according to her cousin.

Justin Anthony told CNN that Emma was diagnosed with pneumonia on March 15 and tested positive for coronavirus on Friday night. As of Saturday, she was on a ventilator and is currently in stable condition, Anthony said.
Emma had no pre-existing conditions. She has not traveled recently and it's unknown how she contracted the virus, according to Anthony.

[bwgood77]

I'd actually be curious in the hospitalization rate of infected people. That would let us know how long it's going to be until we run out of beds.

Unfortunately I don't see any way that doesn't happen now

I was wondering about that too...and was going to ask it here, but then kind of got the answer on one of your earlier links..this shows infected - whether serious/critical or mild.... https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

So 95/5....and of course a lot of people who are mild are not tested so it's probably less than that. Now some will move from mild to serious but that % has stayed constant the last few days.

Yeah - just be aware (at this is my understanding) that the data on that is pretty incomplete there.

Heck - apparently not all death/infection data is even public - so none of us really know what it looks like.

Yeah, the #s are all over the place. I have no idea what the real # of confirmed cases are in TX. This site has constantly been showing around double the # of confirmed cases https://www.houstonchronicle.com/coronavirus/article/texas-coronavirus-map-cases-houston-covid-19-15137466.php

as this one https://covidtracking.com/data/

and it's not like it's just a day behind where it catches up the next day. The former site has been over what that second site currently says for 4-5 days.

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It was designed to fail from the beginning.

Could see this from a mile away.

You don't start building an airplane from a design that you know from the start can't stand a little wind.

The wind experts, and the plane experts, should have always been working together. Not in separate rooms.

And we're all grounded.

The Senate passed the bill that House put out there pretty quickly. They didn’t try to add a bunch of conservative goodies at the end. I think the Senate thought the House would return the favor here. They didn’t. If the House is really trying to add in a bunch of election rules to this stimulus bill, it may never pass.

[Courtside]

It's not the raw numbers, it's the pattern.

Also, it matters little to a few hotspots that they are part of a larger population. If 10s of thousands of New Yorkers die in a span of 2 months, would you minimize that because there are 330 million other Americans left (even if fully ignoring that it is spreading all across the country now, at differing timelines.

NY will be out of ICU beds this week - with spread continuing - and if the military ends up occupied with the early outbreak places like NY and CA and Wa, who is going to help when FL and OH and TN and LA explode?

It's not the present day snapshot that matters, it's the nearly unabated pattern of growth so far.

And outside of hotspots people are still not taking it seriously. People are out and about all over the place here in NC

Yea I just don't get it.

I've been largely homebound all winter, looking forward to being free once weather and situational circumstances improved. I may have already had it, I've got kids so I'm probably carrying it if I didn't have it. And I've been locked inside for weeks.

I truly believe others have a comfortable level, a "It can't happen here" that prevents them from realizing the gravity of the situation. This is why by and large the younger generations are more accepting of what's coming because they've felt how awful things have been for 10+ years.

They're ghosting the virus, as if it's going to take the hint and just stay away and not bother them.

It's the same mentality, really. No spine to stand up to something, so just turn your head and not face it, hoping it will just go away without inconveniencing *your* life in any way.

[bwgood77]

can we please stop pretending this only impacts older people?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/22/us/georgia-coronavirus-girl-hospitalized/index.html

(CNN)Emma, a 12-year-old girl, is "fighting for her life" in an Atlanta hospital after testing positive for the coronavirus, according to her cousin.

Justin Anthony told CNN that Emma was diagnosed with pneumonia on March 15 and tested positive for coronavirus on Friday night. As of Saturday, she was on a ventilator and is currently in stable condition, Anthony said.
Emma had no pre-existing conditions. She has not traveled recently and it's unknown how she contracted the virus, according to Anthony.

Who is pretending? This impacts all age ranges....the degrees of death rates vary by quite a bit though, particularly for the older folks. But plenty of people in all age ranges, except maybe 0-9 will likey have a serious case of it, even though most who have it don't.