Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread

[NBAFan93]

The president should act like things he says matters, especially in a confusing pandemic, and especially when the whole point of these sessions is to allow Americans to become more informed.

Blaming people for listening to the president makes no sense.

We need actual facts to be disseminated. It's difficult enough to understand what is going on and what can be done about it. We don't need the president to be speculating about hazardous procedures right now, it shows very poor leadership that he chose to do that, and even moreso that he said he specifically spread misinformation to essentially troll the media during a national presser.

I blame the media for spinning it into what he did not say. I've already conceded that he shouldn't be speaking on such matters, leave all the medical stuff to the doctors.

Trump was asking the doctors if this type of treatment was possible. How did that turn into him telling or suggesting that people to inject disinfectant into their bodies? I'm sorry but this did not happen.

What about the anti-malarial drug that Trump promoted for weeks, at least, as a “game-changer” miracle cure for covid-19 — you know, the one that has been found to cause such serious heart problems that the FDA had to warn against it. Was that a media plot also?

Actually yes it was - I think he said a couple things about promising results (which there were) and how if someone was already really sick w/ the virus they should try it - and of course the media blew it out of proportion for weeks like he has forcing every person in America to take the drug w/o a prescription.

People need an Rx to take a drug - it was a complete non-issue. The drug is already approved for treating other conditions and has been used for years. Not sure what the big deal was other than to undermine and manufacture unnecessary outrage.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Trump cultists really out in full force here

Democrats are the laughing stock to the whole world. So much so that it still makes sense to vote republican despite how idiotic trump is at times. The man knows how to manage a great economy that gets everyone working whether people like it or not (again despite him being borderline stupid at times)

Holy ****.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I blame the media for spinning it into what he did not say. I've already conceded that he shouldn't be speaking on such matters, leave all the medical stuff to the doctors.

Trump was asking the doctors if this type of treatment was possible. How did that turn into him telling or suggesting that people to inject disinfectant into their bodies? I'm sorry but this did not happen.

What about the anti-malarial drug that Trump promoted for weeks, at least, as a “game-changer” miracle cure for covid-19 — you know, the one that has been found to cause such serious heart problems that the FDA had to warn against it. Was that a media plot also?

Actually yes it was - I think he said a couple things about promising results (which there were) and how if someone was already really sick w/ the virus they should try it - and if course the media blew it out of proportion for weeks like he has forcing every person in America to take the drug w/o an prescription.

People need an Rx to take a drug - it was a complete non-issue. The drug is already approved for treating other conditions and has been used for years. Not sure what the big deal was other than to undermine and manufacture unnecessary outrage.

It's been used for years for malaria, period.


With how little people know about what covid-19 does to the body using caution was the most prudent thing, which is why all the experts said it was stupid thing to do. Now we have new data showing that the virus can potentially cause strokes. One of the side effects of hydroxycholorquine is irregular heartbeat, you take a drug that causes irregular heartbeat in some patients and add it to a virus that can potentially cause strokes, what is the outcome? Do you think it's just coincidence that he stopped pushing the drug so hard in the recent days? Especially after reports that the drug was causing higher percentage of deaths in trials

[HollowEarth]

Nobody suggested for anybody to drink bleach except perhaps the media. They like to put a spin on things to fit their narrative.

And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-leader-group-peddling-bleach-cure-lobbied-trump-coronavirus

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Nobody suggested for anybody to drink bleach except perhaps the media. They like to put a spin on things to fit their narrative.

And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-leader-group-peddling-bleach-cure-lobbied-trump-coronavirus

Oh see, he meant fuel injection! You have to understand that when the sun lines up with Venus, that Trump is speaking in triple entendre.

You can't just go by what he says, you have to wait for his legion of idiots to translate it and sanitize it to know what he really meant.

[HollowEarth]

I blame the media for spinning it into what he did not say. I've already conceded that he shouldn't be speaking on such matters, leave all the medical stuff to the doctors.

Trump was asking the doctors if this type of treatment was possible. How did that turn into him telling or suggesting that people to inject disinfectant into their bodies? I'm sorry but this did not happen.

What about the anti-malarial drug that Trump promoted for weeks, at least, as a “game-changer” miracle cure for covid-19 — you know, the one that has been found to cause such serious heart problems that the FDA had to warn against it. Was that a media plot also?

Actually yes it was - I think he said a couple things about promising results (which there were) and how if someone was already really sick w/ the virus they should try it - and of course the media blew it out of proportion for weeks like he has forcing every person in America to take the drug w/o a prescription.

People need an Rx to take a drug - it was a complete non-issue. The drug is already approved for treating other conditions and has been used for years. Not sure what the big deal was other than to undermine and manufacture unnecessary outrage.

However, after enrolling just 81 patients, the researchers saw some concerning signs. Within a few days of starting the treatment, more patients in the high dose group experienced heart rhythm problems than did those in the low dose group. And two patients in the high dose group developed a fast, abnormal heart rate known as ventricular tachychardia before they died.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-chloroquine-study-stopped-early.html

[MotownMadness]

Nobody suggested for anybody to drink bleach except perhaps the media. They like to put a spin on things to fit their narrative.

And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-leader-group-peddling-bleach-cure-lobbied-trump-coronavirus

Sounds like hes saying he wishes there was something like a chemo. Basically just kill everything in your body and hope the cancer doesnt come back.

Either way are you thinking of injecting disinfect now? Do you actually know a single human that would?

Or is this a serious problem now where we all need to watch over our grown adult friends and loved ones to make sure they are not drinking bleach now?

If not then why are we so concerned over this? Obviously for the politics of it but if your really concerned on whether or not to inject yourself with chemicals or try some fish bowel cleaner cause it sounds like the Zpack/hydroxy combo then you were always doomed.

[NBAFan93]

What about the anti-malarial drug that Trump promoted for weeks, at least, as a “game-changer” miracle cure for covid-19 — you know, the one that has been found to cause such serious heart problems that the FDA had to warn against it. Was that a media plot also?

Actually yes it was - I think he said a couple things about promising results (which there were) and how if someone was already really sick w/ the virus they should try it - and if course the media blew it out of proportion for weeks like he has forcing every person in America to take the drug w/o an prescription.

People need an Rx to take a drug - it was a complete non-issue. The drug is already approved for treating other conditions and has been used for years. Not sure what the big deal was other than to undermine and manufacture unnecessary outrage.

It's been used for years for malaria, period.


With how little people know about what covid-19 does to the body using caution was the most prudent thing, new data is showing that the virus can cause strokes. One of the side effects of hydroxycholorquine is irregular heartbeat. Do you think it's just coincidence that he stopped pushing the drug so hard in the recent days? Especially after reports that the drug was causing higher percentage of deaths in trials

And lupus. And they found that people w/ lupus had less incidents of covid. A lot of this stuff is in the beginning stages of research cause it’s all so new. The drug had showed some promise in some trails - I remember people talking about it on here even before Trump said something.

No one could get the drug w/o a doctors Rx anyways. Some are talking about other drugs showing promise now too. Should they not be doing that? What’s wrong w/ the public knowing a drug has the potential to help?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Nobody suggested for anybody to drink bleach except perhaps the media. They like to put a spin on things to fit their narrative.

And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-leader-group-peddling-bleach-cure-lobbied-trump-coronavirus

Sounds like hes saying he wishes there was something like a chemo. Basically just kill everything in your body and hope the cancer doesnt come back.

Either way are ypu thinling of injecting disinfect now? Do you actually know a single human that would?

Or is this a serious problem now where we all need to watch over our grown adult friends and loved ones to make sure they are not drinking bleach now?

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-new-yorkers-household-cleaners-trump-20200425-rnaqio5dyfeaxmthxx2vktqa5m-story.html

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Actually yes it was - I think he said a couple things about promising results (which there were) and how if someone was already really sick w/ the virus they should try it - and if course the media blew it out of proportion for weeks like he has forcing every person in America to take the drug w/o an prescription.

People need an Rx to take a drug - it was a complete non-issue. The drug is already approved for treating other conditions and has been used for years. Not sure what the big deal was other than to undermine and manufacture unnecessary outrage.

It's been used for years for malaria, period.


With how little people know about what covid-19 does to the body using caution was the most prudent thing, new data is showing that the virus can cause strokes. One of the side effects of hydroxycholorquine is irregular heartbeat. Do you think it's just coincidence that he stopped pushing the drug so hard in the recent days? Especially after reports that the drug was causing higher percentage of deaths in trials

And lupus. And they found that people w/ lupus had less incidents of covid. A lot of this stuff is in the beginning stages of research cause it’s all so new. The drug had showed some promise in some trails - I remember people talking about it on here even before Trump said something.

No one could get the drug w/ a doctors Rx anyways. Some are talking about other drugs showing promise now too. Should they not be doing that? What’s wrong w/ the public knowing a drug has the potential to help?

The problem is when the President goes over experts who say to use caution, and those people with lupus have had a hard time finding the drug to treat themselves as result. People talking about it on here are not the President, and if the RealGM owner(s) put up a banner telling people to take a drug and they died because of it the site owner would be open to lawsuits.


Help me out here, if these things are at the beginning of research, why tell millions to take the drug? And I'll ask you again, is it just a coincidence that he's stopped talking about it, or are you going to imply that he still pushes it in his briefings like he did before.

[bidde]

And they found that people w/ lupus had less incidents of covid.

Oh really? Please show me that study. What an insane claim, are you serious right now?

[MotownMadness]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-leader-group-peddling-bleach-cure-lobbied-trump-coronavirus

Sounds like hes saying he wishes there was something like a chemo. Basically just kill everything in your body and hope the cancer doesnt come back.

Either way are ypu thinling of injecting disinfect now? Do you actually know a single human that would?

Or is this a serious problem now where we all need to watch over our grown adult friends and loved ones to make sure they are not drinking bleach now?

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-new-yorkers-household-cleaners-trump-20200425-rnaqio5dyfeaxmthxx2vktqa5m-story.html

Thats your own dumb fault, sorry. How they managed to make it this far in life is the true incredible story.

[NBAFan93]

It's been used for years for malaria, period.


With how little people know about what covid-19 does to the body using caution was the most prudent thing, new data is showing that the virus can cause strokes. One of the side effects of hydroxycholorquine is irregular heartbeat. Do you think it's just coincidence that he stopped pushing the drug so hard in the recent days? Especially after reports that the drug was causing higher percentage of deaths in trials

And lupus. And they found that people w/ lupus had less incidents of covid. A lot of this stuff is in the beginning stages of research cause it’s all so new. The drug had showed some promise in some trails - I remember people talking about it on here even before Trump said something.

No one could get the drug w/ a doctors Rx anyways. Some are talking about other drugs showing promise now too. Should they not be doing that? What’s wrong w/ the public knowing a drug has the potential to help?

The problem is when the President goes over experts who say to use caution, and those people with lupus have had a hard time finding the drug to treat themselves as result. People talking about it on here are not the President, and if the site owner put up a banner telling people to take a drug and they died because of it the site owner would be open to lawsuits.


Help me out here, if these things are at the beginning of research, why tell millions to take the drug? And I'll ask you again, is it just a coincidence that he's stopped talking about it, or are you going to imply that he still pushes it in his briefings like he did before.

“Pushing it” is an major overstatement - he said a couple sentences and he media blew it out of proportion. Just like him saying “people should inject themselves w/ disinfectants” has been turned into a thing, when he barely even said anything.

If they did more trails of the malaria drug and they didn’t work out, of course he’s not going to talk about it anymore cause why would he if it doesn’t work?

The bigger story should be how it’s disappointing that a drug that showed promise actually doesn’t work, but sadly to our media “Trump was wrong and he sucks” is the headline instead - that’s the issue - the media’s primary goal is more about making Trump look bad than it is to inform the public.

[MotownMadness]

It's been used for years for malaria, period.


With how little people know about what covid-19 does to the body using caution was the most prudent thing, new data is showing that the virus can cause strokes. One of the side effects of hydroxycholorquine is irregular heartbeat. Do you think it's just coincidence that he stopped pushing the drug so hard in the recent days? Especially after reports that the drug was causing higher percentage of deaths in trials

And lupus. And they found that people w/ lupus had less incidents of covid. A lot of this stuff is in the beginning stages of research cause it’s all so new. The drug had showed some promise in some trails - I remember people talking about it on here even before Trump said something.

No one could get the drug w/ a doctors Rx anyways. Some are talking about other drugs showing promise now too. Should they not be doing that? What’s wrong w/ the public knowing a drug has the potential to help?

The problem is when the President goes over experts who say to use caution, and those people with lupus have had a hard time finding the drug to treat themselves as result. People talking about it on here are not the President, and if the RealGM owner(s) put up a banner telling people to take a drug and they died because of it the site owner would be open to lawsuits.


Help me out here, if these things are at the beginning of research, why tell millions to take the drug? And I'll ask you again, is it just a coincidence that he's stopped talking about it, or are you going to imply that he still pushes it in his briefings like he did before.

I still dont think you understand the severity of symptoms you need for a doctor to give you that to make it some huge danger. And if a patient wants to try something they should have that right when their life is on the line.

Telling me possible side effects of a drug im gonna take for like 5 days over suffocating to death from Covid is just silly.

Its like when they tell you to go home and get comfortable to die of cancer cause treatment can only go so far. Im dying so screw that give me some Rick Simpson oil or whatever medicines hopefully can help if some people have had success.

Im talking about fatally ill people here though and not recommending you somehow steal it from walgreens over a runny nose.

[wade44]

Trump cultists really out in full force here

Democrats are the laughing stock to the whole world. So much so that it still makes sense to vote republican despite how idiotic trump is at times. The man knows how to manage a great economy that gets everyone working whether people like it or not (again despite him being borderline stupid at times)

Holy ****.

Ya buddy. You won't be laughing when Trump gets re-elected come election time

[NBAFan93]

Sounds like hes saying he wishes there was something like a chemo. Basically just kill everything in your body and hope the cancer doesnt come back.

Either way are ypu thinling of injecting disinfect now? Do you actually know a single human that would?

Or is this a serious problem now where we all need to watch over our grown adult friends and loved ones to make sure they are not drinking bleach now?

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-new-yorkers-household-cleaners-trump-20200425-rnaqio5dyfeaxmthxx2vktqa5m-story.html

Thats your own dumb fault, sorry. How they managed to make it this far in life is the true incredible story.

Probably all crank calls... Notice how none of them went to the hospital.

Caller - “help - I just injected some bleach cause Trump told me to and now I don’t feel good!”
Poison Hotline Operator - “what is your name sir so we can get you help!”
Caller - “my name is Seymour Butts“...

People are bored out of their minds cause of the shutdowns you know...

[NoDopeOnSundays]

“Pushing it” is an major overstatement

I stopped here, just gonna put you on ignore, you can't be taken seriously for a discussion after this.

[xdrta+]

“Pushing it” is an major overstatement - he said a couple sentences and he media blew it out of proportion. Just like him saying “people should inject themselves w/ disinfectants” has been turned into a thing, when he barely even said anything.

The media blew it out of proportion? People saw him on TV! Sure you need a prescription, and when patients scream at their doctors that the President recommends it, they get a prescription.
On March 19th Trump said, “I think it could be something really incredible," and continued that the two drugs had shown “very, very encouraging results” in treating the virus.

By that evening, first-time prescriptions of the drugs — chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine — poured into retail pharmacies at more than 46 times the rate of the average weekday. The biggest number was in Florida, where nearly one prescription was written for every thousand residents.

There's a reason it's called the Bully Pulpit. What a president says matters, and when he muses about medical issues that he has no clue about, it can be disastrous.

[Paija]

Trump cultists really out in full force here

Democrats are the laughing stock to the whole world. So much so that it still makes sense to vote republican despite how idiotic trump is at times. The man knows how to manage a great economy that gets everyone working whether people like it or not (again despite him being borderline stupid at times)

Well, I do not know how to politely break that to you, but your very... interesting leader would be causing a lot of laughter all over the world if it would not be so very tragic at the same time. It really makes one very pessimistic about the future of human civilization. I do not know what training the other guys on briefings (who have any science background) need to go through just to not be doing constant facepalms during Trumps "episodes". How citizens can listen to that and not be ashamed I do not know. Only if they themselves have no basic education.
Try to go into some humorous sites and try to count how many jokes are about Trump and then any democrats. Yes, Trump has high ratings, but a lot of it is just to see some comedy.

And I dare you to name just a couple of leaders from other countries who acted more clueless than Trump on pandemic (well, Johnson, Bolsonaru and Putin are competing too, to be honest).

[MotownMadness]

“Pushing it” is an major overstatement - he said a couple sentences and he media blew it out of proportion. Just like him saying “people should inject themselves w/ disinfectants” has been turned into a thing, when he barely even said anything.

The media blew it out of proportion? People saw him on TV! Sure you need a prescription, and when patients scream at their doctors that the President recommends it, they get a prescription.
On March 19th Trump said, “I think it could be something really incredible," and continued that the two drugs had shown “very, very encouraging results” in treating the virus.

By that evening, first-time prescriptions of the drugs — chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine — poured into retail pharmacies at more than 46 times the rate of the average weekday. The biggest number was in Florida, where nearly one prescription was written for every thousand residents.

There's a reason it's called the Bully Pulpit. What a president says matters, and when he muses about medical issues that he has no clue about, it can be disastrous.

46x is alot, the media should follow up on those thousands of people and see if they died from it or if it helped, or did nothing after their 5 day trial period.