FIBA World Cup 2023 part 2 SEMIS (USA vs GERMANY : SERBIA vs CANADA) poll added

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new WORLD CHAMPIONS will be?

Poll ended at Mon Sep 11, 2023 2:22 pm

USA
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Germany
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6%
Canada
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Serbia
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Post#1221 » by lambchop » Sat Sep 2, 2023 7:16 am

Sedale Threatt wrote:He honestly shouldn't even be playing. He's been horrible.


At this point I think they're giving him minutes just to not ruin future NBA trade scenarios. Ty Lu is on the coaching staff and if the Clippers at some point move on from Kawhi and PG, it could involve some mediocre 2nd/3rd option like Ingram. Who probably wouldn't be excited to join a coach that didn't believe in him.

I see no other remotely plausible explanation for giving him minutes. And even my suggestion seems like a reach lol.
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Post#1222 » by Mamba81p » Sat Sep 2, 2023 7:36 am

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Sedale Threatt wrote:He honestly shouldn't even be playing. He's been horrible.


At this point I think they're giving him minutes just to not ruin future NBA trade scenarios. Ty Lu is on the coaching staff and if the Clippers at some point move on from Kawhi and PG, it could involve some mediocre 2nd/3rd option like Ingram. Who probably wouldn't be excited to join a coach that didn't believe in him.

I see no other remotely plausible explanation for giving him minutes. And even my suggestion seems like a reach lol.


I believe they want to avoid some chemistry issues by benching him. Sending him home would be too dramatic. Hopefully they can manage that in semifinal/final, because I don’t think they can win those games with him playing this much
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Post#1223 » by UcanUwill » Sat Sep 2, 2023 7:47 am

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Is it just me or is Jokubaitis looking quicker in this tourney?

I'm frustrated the Knicks haven't made a move with him, one way or another. There should be value there.


Knicks invited him to summer league and really wanted him there this summer, but he declined because he wanted to play for NT.

I dont think he looks quicker, he is not really slow, its only his handle thats not tight, I mean he is good at protecting the ball under pressure, but low dribble it is not. I am just surprised by his continiously growing basketball IQ on offense, he is just good PG, I never really fear when ball is in his hands anymore. But I did notice a lot of mental defensive errors, he loses or misses a box out his off ball guys quite often I would say.

He is still very young, one poster here said it is sadly probably his final form already, but I dont think that at all, if he stays in Europe, why couldn't he become next Micic, MVP caliber player, he is 22, big and smart PG with shooting and finishing ability, why couldnt he be MVP caliber EUroleaguer? And if somehow he makes the jump and somehow sticks around in the NBA< he could turn into someone even better, why not? I like him a lot.


Maybe it is his handle looks a bit tighter and release quicker than I've seen before.

I'd never seen anything like the move at 1:50 before from him and he seems more comfortable in traffic in this video.




I'm not sure what the Knicks do with him. Not too many minutes at the 1 and him and Brunson is a somewhat sketchy defensive pairing. But I would like to see him in the NBA.


that mid range pull up is his go to move, he is very good at it, that 1:50 shot was more difficult that his usual pull up, but thats his specialty. You can say that he doesnt reallly create space, he is not DOncic or Guduric of Fontechio even, doesnt have that step back or other fancy foot work, but he is taller than most PGs and when he pull ups fading a bit, his shot is semi semi uncontested.

Hes been MVP in 3 out of 4 games Lithuania played I believe so far, he obviously can play basketball, but still, at highest Euroleague level, he is somewhat limited role player, so take that in mind, in FIBA, where roster level of most teams (even Lithuania or Grrece) is downgrade over Euroleague rosters, lots of players can look like damn, put them in the NBA now. Like Tobey or Rondae haha.

Like yes, he is 22, for the NBA, thats not even that young. In Europe thats young, but in the NBA, if you not in the league by then, not much hype is left. But whatever, just leave him in Europe, you not missing out on Petrovic in his prime, maybe Rokas gets even better and you bring him ala Scola, ala Tiago Splitter, ala Anthony Parker, many others, and he still has few to several sawy years in the league. There really isnt rush with this current roster, when you have star PG and 6th, man candidate PG at the same time. You know, Rokas is developing in Barcelona, it wouldnt be better for him to play in G league just fooling with far scrubbier players. I know some people here said that him being on that huge team is bad for his development, but I disagree personally, I think with every season his role is growing and just a matter of time when he becomes BARCA's main guard maybe.
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Post#1224 » by Buckets22 » Sat Sep 2, 2023 8:05 am

durden_tyler wrote:Slovenia saved my bets yesterday but pretty much sucked for the other bets so on to today's final classification day:

Philippines -2.5 vs. China. We might also lose this but no way am betting on China so let's just roll with a homecountry bias bet that will probably lose.

South Sudan -9.5 vs Angola. South Sudan easily but i wonder if they cover this one.. Dangerous spread bet but picking South Sudan.

Also liking the other Asian teams to cover (Jordan +4.5 vs Mexico and Iran +5.5 vs Lebanon)

I place a bet that Gabriel will have less than 2 blocks against Angola, fella got 2 of them in the first minute :lol: :lol:
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Post#1225 » by UcanUwill » Sat Sep 2, 2023 8:09 am

Thanasis is so impresssive of being Sole NBA guy on his FIBA team, while being scrubbiest guy on said team at the same time, that Milwaukee said, damn bro, we need more of those bros... Alex Antetokounpo is newly signed MIlwaukee Buck, wooooo. I bet he got this relying purely on his own talent...

YOu know when Denver or whoever there has that senior dance squad, its cheerleaders but old, brilliant idea to begin with... Milwauke will soon could have Antetokoumpo bros dance squad during timeouts.
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Post#1226 » by Buckets22 » Sat Sep 2, 2023 8:13 am

UcanUwill wrote:Thanasis is so impresssive of being Sole NBA guy on his team FIBA team, while being scrubbiest guy on said team at the same time, that Milwaukee said, damn bro, we need more of those bros... Alex Antetokounpo is newly signed MIlwaukee Buck, wooooo. I bet he got this relying purely on his own talent...

YOu know when Denver or whoever there has that senior dance squad, its cheerleaders but old, brilliant idea to begin with... Milwauke will soon could have Antetokoumpo bros dance squad during timeouts.

I wonder are they doing this to work around the Max contract amount?
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Post#1227 » by Buckets22 » Sat Sep 2, 2023 8:18 am

SSD is on a mission. Angola can´t handle them...especially with Fernando not playing.
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Post#1228 » by the_other_guy » Sat Sep 2, 2023 8:33 am

UcanUwill wrote:
vege wrote:Sunday games are going to be crazy. All 4 teams have 1 loss and 3 wins. Either Canada or Spain are out of the tournament.


Same in group I.
We, practically have 4 single elimination games on Sunday :

Canada vs Spain
Latvia vs Brazil
Serbia vs Dominican Republic
Italy vs Puerto Rico

4 Euros potentially dropping out like that. Or maybe Canada dropping out.


Only not sure about Latvia, even though they surprised many, but they can choke important matches.
For the rest I would consider European countries as favourites.
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Post#1229 » by UcanUwill » Sat Sep 2, 2023 8:37 am

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UcanUwill wrote:
vege wrote:Sunday games are going to be crazy. All 4 teams have 1 loss and 3 wins. Either Canada or Spain are out of the tournament.


Same in group I.
We, practically have 4 single elimination games on Sunday :

Canada vs Spain
Latvia vs Brazil
Serbia vs Dominican Republic
Italy vs Puerto Rico

4 Euros potentially dropping out like that. Or maybe Canada dropping out.


Only not sure about Latvia, even though they surprised many, but they can choke important matches.
For the rest I would consider European countries as favourites.
Tomorrow is awesome day for basketball and most important I can relax watching Lithuania for once.


I think Canada is clear favorite still, but if you think Latvia can choke, oh boy, lets not even start conversation on Canadians then...

It is funny, because I always just cheer for the underdog, and tho I think Spain and Latvia are underdog, but looking selfishly, if they lose, its only better for our Olympic chances, so I am a bit conflicted. If DOminicans and Puerto Ricans win, that would just be amazing, but thats a sci fi scenario almost.
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Post#1230 » by knicksfan974 » Sat Sep 2, 2023 8:40 am

Buckets22 wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:Thanasis is so impresssive of being Sole NBA guy on his team FIBA team, while being scrubbiest guy on said team at the same time, that Milwaukee said, damn bro, we need more of those bros... Alex Antetokounpo is newly signed MIlwaukee Buck, wooooo. I bet he got this relying purely on his own talent...

YOu know when Denver or whoever there has that senior dance squad, its cheerleaders but old, brilliant idea to begin with... Milwauke will soon could have Antetokoumpo bros dance squad during timeouts.

I wonder are they doing this to work around the Max contract amount?


Can't wait for teams to start signing brothers, uncles, dads and grand-dads of star players in order to keep them from leaving... :noway:
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Post#1231 » by UcanUwill » Sat Sep 2, 2023 8:41 am

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Buckets22 wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:Thanasis is so impresssive of being Sole NBA guy on his team FIBA team, while being scrubbiest guy on said team at the same time, that Milwaukee said, damn bro, we need more of those bros... Alex Antetokounpo is newly signed MIlwaukee Buck, wooooo. I bet he got this relying purely on his own talent...

YOu know when Denver or whoever there has that senior dance squad, its cheerleaders but old, brilliant idea to begin with... Milwauke will soon could have Antetokoumpo bros dance squad during timeouts.

I wonder are they doing this to work around the Max contract amount?


Can't wait for teams to start signing brothers, uncles, dads and grand-dads of star players in order to keep them from leaving... :noway:


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Post#1232 » by the_other_guy » Sat Sep 2, 2023 8:58 am

UcanUwill wrote:
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Same in group I.
We, practically have 4 single elimination games on Sunday :

Canada vs Spain
Latvia vs Brazil
Serbia vs Dominican Republic
Italy vs Puerto Rico

4 Euros potentially dropping out like that. Or maybe Canada dropping out.


Only not sure about Latvia, even though they surprised many, but they can choke important matches.
For the rest I would consider European countries as favourites.
Tomorrow is awesome day for basketball and most important I can relax watching Lithuania for once.


I think Canada is clear favorite still, but if you think Latvia can choke, oh boy, lets not even start conversation on Canadians then...

It is funny, because I always just cheer for the underdog, and tho I think Spain and Latvia are underdog, but looking selfishly, if they lose, its only better for our Olympic chances, so I am a bit conflicted. If DOminicans and Puerto Ricans win, that would just be amazing, but thats a sci fi scenario almost.


Given the amount important matches Spain and Canada have had, and the experience of both teams I would not put Canada as CLEAR favorites. Spread should be like -3,5.
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Post#1233 » by durden_tyler » Sat Sep 2, 2023 8:59 am

UcanUwill wrote:
the_other_guy wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
Same in group I.
We, practically have 4 single elimination games on Sunday :

Canada vs Spain
Latvia vs Brazil
Serbia vs Dominican Republic
Italy vs Puerto Rico

4 Euros potentially dropping out like that. Or maybe Canada dropping out.


Only not sure about Latvia, even though they surprised many, but they can choke important matches.
For the rest I would consider European countries as favourites.
Tomorrow is awesome day for basketball and most important I can relax watching Lithuania for once.


I think Canada is clear favorite still, but if you think Latvia can choke, oh boy, lets not even start conversation on Canadians then...

It is funny, because I always just cheer for the underdog, and tho I think Spain and Latvia are underdog, but looking selfishly, if they lose, its only better for our Olympic chances, so I am a bit conflicted. If DOminicans and Puerto Ricans win, that would just be amazing, but thats a sci fi scenario almost.


Canada -6.5 now (Opened at -8.5). After a strong showing the entire tournament, except the last game, it would be really disappointing if they don't win against Spain and would be one of the more recent choke jobs (as recent as France. LOL) though. i expect Canada to win by double digits.
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Post#1234 » by UcanUwill » Sat Sep 2, 2023 9:03 am

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Only not sure about Latvia, even though they surprised many, but they can choke important matches.
For the rest I would consider European countries as favourites.
Tomorrow is awesome day for basketball and most important I can relax watching Lithuania for once.


I think Canada is clear favorite still, but if you think Latvia can choke, oh boy, lets not even start conversation on Canadians then...

It is funny, because I always just cheer for the underdog, and tho I think Spain and Latvia are underdog, but looking selfishly, if they lose, its only better for our Olympic chances, so I am a bit conflicted. If DOminicans and Puerto Ricans win, that would just be amazing, but thats a sci fi scenario almost.


Given the amount important matches Spain and Canada have had, and the experience of both teams I would not put Canada as CLEAR favorites. Spread should be like -3,5.


I dont disagree fully, but talent level is still insane on that Canada team, and talent usually win games, not always but usually. Of course if Canada loses this, it would be meanspirited hilarious at this point.
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Post#1235 » by durden_tyler » Sat Sep 2, 2023 9:05 am

Meanwhile, the other virtual knockout games' odds;

Serbia -8.5 vs Dominican Republic

Poor KAT. They had one foot in the door and that last game will cost them their tournament lives.

Brazil -2.5 vs Latvia

Virtual toss up here and i'd reckon even Latvia should be the slight favorites.

Italy -8.5 vs Puerto Rico

i doubt Italians choke for the second straight game and against a considerably weaker opponent but at this point the dogs are running on fumes so maybe they have another upset in them.
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Post#1236 » by Phreak50 » Sat Sep 2, 2023 9:23 am

Really unprofessional trash from Roy Rana the coach of Egypt.

Team gets a tech for complaining then he himself gets one for throwing his whiteboard marker.

Then in the following timeout he says to his team ‘this is f’ing bs we are playing against six guys right now’ I believe referring to the ref on the NZ team.

Just poor sportsmanship and a bad example for your team.
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Post#1237 » by ROballer » Sat Sep 2, 2023 9:28 am

Pretty much over regardless.

SSD are blowing out Angola, Egypt needs to win by 20+ at this point which will never happen, since New Zealand is actually the better team.

South Sudan in the Olympics. Boy, never thought I will see this day.
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Post#1238 » by lambchop » Sat Sep 2, 2023 9:31 am

UcanUwill wrote:Thanasis is so impresssive of being Sole NBA guy on his FIBA team, while being scrubbiest guy on said team at the same time, that Milwaukee said, damn bro, we need more of those bros... Alex Antetokounpo is newly signed MIlwaukee Buck, wooooo. I bet he got this relying purely on his own talent...

YOu know when Denver or whoever there has that senior dance squad, its cheerleaders but old, brilliant idea to begin with... Milwauke will soon could have Antetokoumpo bros dance squad during timeouts.


It's funny how some people honestly believe that NBA consists exclusively of the best players in the world, when there are certain guys with specific non performance related roles, like Thanasis/Alex (just make Giannis happier and feel more comfortable), Haslem (agreements and locker room presence), Delly (finals experience and understands how egos of multiple star players on the same team can be managed) etc.
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Post#1239 » by lambchop » Sat Sep 2, 2023 9:36 am

ROballer wrote:Pretty much over regardless.

SSD are blowing out Angola, Egypt needs to win by 20+ at this point which will never happen, since New Zealand is actually the better team.

South Sudan in the Olympics. Boy, never thought I will see this day.


Still don't have an indoor gym in their country. Amazing achievement by the team and those involved and also impressive how much of an impact Luol Deng has had over there. He tried hard to impact British basketball too as an active player, but it was simply too difficult.
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Post#1240 » by Phreak50 » Sat Sep 2, 2023 10:04 am

Egypt have some skilled players.

Second half vs NZ has been fun.

Going to be sad when this tournament is over. It's been day after day of pure basketball.

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