The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread

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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1241 » by Big Jaffa » Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:47 pm

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KF10 wrote:Lillard reminds me of a more rangy Derrick Rose give or take.

Unless Anthony Davis averages a dbl-dbl w/ 2+ block and all-NBA defense or something like that, Lillard is the ROY by far.


Huh? The two as rookies aren't alike at all.

Lillard hasn't been able to finish at the rim, and is shooting almost twice as many threes as he is FTs.

If he continues to shoot like that, watch out, but his finishing has been unimpressive so far, and his lack of FTs are a bit of a concern.

He's a rookie PG though, so I wouldn't worry about it. He's still averaging 6.3 assists per game on 3.3 turnovers and he's shown that he has real good range.


Lillard, despite shooting mostly jumpers does actually draw fouls at a good rate for a rookie. He's averaging 3.5 FTA's per 36

For comparison per 36 as rookies:
Rose 3
D. Williams 2.1
Paul 6 (actually highest post in his career).

Of course all the above guys have had their FTA's double since then. Lillard doesn't have Rose's ridiculous athleticism to up his FTA's but he has shown the cunning of players like Paul and Williams so I wouldn't worry too much.

You are right that he has struggled to finish at the Rim shooting a poor 41%, far less than the 50%-56% range of the above three guys, luckily he has his jumper to back him up.

Still its early days yet, he does have to adjust to playing in a much bigger league (in his college days I doubt centres were 7 footers) but he's a smart enough player to do so.

Oh and for reference:
Kidd Gilchrist is 61% shooting at the rim, that is elite territory and he can only go up. He could end up with Tyreke Evans level efficiency at the rim, just hope he isn't like Reke away from the rim shooting wise.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1242 » by GhostsOfGil » Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:17 pm

Jon1798 wrote:I didn't rank them by PER, didn't even post it actually. I only commented on the post. Again, only saying that only 27 rookies have played enough minutes to qualify, and the Hornets have 4 of them. Including #1 and #6. For a team that has won more games than it has lost. They are a good young team. Can't beleive I have to explain that...again....or at all really.


You don't seem to understand how PER works. Let me rephrase. Stop using the rookie PER rankings to justify your team's talent.

Jon1798 wrote:the Hornets technically have 4 of those 27 rookies making significant contributions. AKA, the Hornets are a good young team.


This is what is funny to me. 2 of those rookies are holding PERs significantly below league average. A 2.2 PER is hardly a "significant contribution" as you put it...In fact it's the exact opposite. Which brings me to my next point.. PER is bad with a small sample size.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1243 » by Jon1798 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:00 pm

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Jon1798 wrote:I didn't rank them by PER, didn't even post it actually. I only commented on the post. Again, only saying that only 27 rookies have played enough minutes to qualify, and the Hornets have 4 of them. Including #1 and #6. For a team that has won more games than it has lost. They are a good young team. Can't beleive I have to explain that...again....or at all really.


You don't seem to understand how PER works. Let me rephrase. Stop using the rookie PER rankings to justify your team's talent.

Jon1798 wrote:the Hornets technically have 4 of those 27 rookies making significant contributions. AKA, the Hornets are a good young team.


This is what is funny to me. 2 of those rookies are holding PERs significantly below league average. A 2.2 PER is hardly a "significant contribution" as you put it...In fact it's the exact opposite. Which brings me to my next point.. PER is bad with a small sample size.


Actually, I completely understand how PER works. Graduated in Mathematics too if that helps. I think you are having a difficult time grasping what was a very small and insignificant comment I made about the PER rankings, and for some reason have decided to try to jump on it. AGAIN, there are only 27 rookies that had played enough minutes to qualify for the PER rankings, in a 30 team league, and the Hornets had FOUR of them. I know PER is bad with a small sample size. I have watched Austin Rivers start and play 30 minutes a game and the Hornets have gone 3-1 with him in the starting lineup. Their worst game of the year, worst offensively in history, was the only game without him. So I know good and well what not to make of the PER rankings. No team has as many rookies playing qualifying minutes, many teams don't have any rookies playing qualifying minutes, and the Hornets are 3-2. Good young team, nothing more, nothing less. But keep talking about how bad a couple of their PER's are and then follow with a comment on how insignificant PER is. In back to back sentences.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1244 » by Downtown » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:16 pm

I agree with Big Jaffa. Lillard is more Deron Williams than Derick Rose. Watching Irving last night reminded me of Rose. The level of athleticism is remarkable, like Westbrook. Lillard isn't going to blow by players like that but will pick his spots and still challenge driving to the rim. Early on this season he was able to play the drive and dish game very well with a sneaky hesitate and go move. I think once he figures out how the other teams bigs react then he has that poise that should allow him to make the decision whether to take the layup himself or pass it off. The ability to read and react is one of the ingredients that make Paul and Williams so great.

And also as mentioned he needs to learn about going against much taller players than he's used to. But man Lillard is a good passer that can get the ball into teamates hands mostly in the right position at the right time.

But isn't it great that more of the top drafted rookies are beginning to get it together? We may cheer for our teams guy more but in the end as fans we should all want the young rookies to reach their potential so we can enjoy the best they can be.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1245 » by Frank Mulely » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:31 pm

Barnes...another dumb Warriors draft. Boy we sure could use Drummond now that it's clear Bogut needs time to heal.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1246 » by J the Drafter » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:56 pm

How has this not been posted? (And no, Carmelo wasn't being hacked.)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJjl-9VD71A[/youtube]

Harkless put up 10 points, 7 rebounds and 4 blocks. His offense is rough right now, but his defense has been excellent.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1247 » by LOOSH » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:00 pm

Loved him during the draft, great to see.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1248 » by NO-KG-AI » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:11 pm

Anthony Davis' per 36 numbers would have to come way down for anyone else to have a shot at rookie of the year. They will certainly drop, but he could finish over 20+ PER and with a double double easily.

I dunno, it seems like people always jump all over the high volume guys, but Anthony Davis' small sample is overwhelmingly more impressive than anything else thus far.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1249 » by RTM » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:37 pm

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Jon1798 wrote:Hornets with 3 in the top 22. Good young team.


By this logic, Detroit is a superior young team - 3 in the top 15.

That being said, it's logic that doesn't really hold up. PER is a flawed stat this early in the season, given the small sample sizes.

That said, there's truth in statements like Davis is a star, and Drummond can be beastly when he just plays.


Thats kind of contradicting. You say its too early to use PER as a legit stat, but its not too early to proclaim Davis is a star after playing 2.5 games?


Don't need PER to make that prediction.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1250 » by Shem » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:37 pm

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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1251 » by Kabookalu » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:51 pm

J the Drafter wrote:How has this not been posted? (And no, Carmelo wasn't being hacked.)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJjl-9VD71A[/youtube]

Harkless put up 10 points, 7 rebounds and 4 blocks. His offense is rough right now, but his defense has been excellent.


Moe Harkless was a guy that I wouldn't have minded the Raptors drafting at 8.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1252 » by Kabookalu » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:57 pm

Michael Kidd Gilchrist's on/off stats. Holy moly.

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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1253 » by Shem » Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:07 pm

Here is the latest Rookie Ladder: http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/

1. Damian Lillard
2. Anthony Davis
3. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
4. Dion Waiters
5. Bradley Beal
6. Alexey Shved
7. Jonas Valanciunas
8. Tyler Zeller
9. Harrison Barnes
10. Andre Drummond
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1254 » by mid-post » Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:12 pm

J the Drafter wrote:How has this not been posted? (And no, Carmelo wasn't being hacked.)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJjl-9VD71A[/youtube]

Harkless put up 10 points, 7 rebounds and 4 blocks. His offense is rough right now, but his defense has been excellent.


Harkless repping NY. Mo is a guy that was passed over by way too many teams. Has legit perimeter skills but got stuck at the 4 last year at St. Johns.

Choker wrote:Moe Harkless was a guy that I wouldn't have minded the Raptors drafting at 8.


Well you could always start a thread about it on the raps board. It would def reach 100+ pages. :P
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1255 » by Blazing_royale » Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:28 pm

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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1256 » by Sabzi » Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:36 pm

NO-KG-AI wrote:Anthony Davis' per 36 numbers would have to come way down for anyone else to have a shot at rookie of the year. They will certainly drop, but he could finish over 20+ PER and with a double double easily.

I dunno, it seems like people always jump all over the high volume guys, but Anthony Davis' small sample is overwhelmingly more impressive than anything else thus far.



This. The other rookies will need a miracle (injury) to catch Davis production.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1257 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:17 pm

Sabzi wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:Anthony Davis' per 36 numbers would have to come way down for anyone else to have a shot at rookie of the year. They will certainly drop, but he could finish over 20+ PER and with a double double easily.

I dunno, it seems like people always jump all over the high volume guys, but Anthony Davis' small sample is overwhelmingly more impressive than anything else thus far.



This. The other rookies will need a miracle (injury) to catch Davis production.


Nothing high volume about Gilchrist. Could see him easily giving Davis a run.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1258 » by orangeparka » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:34 pm

Davis is just insane right now. 17/8/3's already all-star numbers and that's in just 27mpg. :o
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1259 » by Sabzi » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:59 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
Nothing high volume about Gilchrist. Could see him easily giving Davis a run.



He's not going to touch Anthony Davis' PER/USG/WS48 numbers. Good luck to Mr. Kidd-Gilchrist though.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread 

Post#1260 » by BeasleyTheBeast » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:11 am

Kyle Singler is looking good out there. Big fan of him since his Senior Highschool Days
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