MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened

[RB34]

So now the Bucks are losing without Giannis. Some would say he’s the MVP, especially considering the doesn’t have another top 5 player on deck.

[mademan]

So now the Bucks are losing without Giannis. Some would say he’s the MVP, especially considering the doesn’t have another top 5 player on deck.

You really gonna reduce losing without your whole starting lineup on a b2b in Denver to "Bucks suck without Giannis"?

Bucks are 6-2 in games Giannis doesnt play but Middleton does. They also play better than the Lakers when Giannis sits than when Lebron sits for LA

[RB34]

So now the Bucks are losing without Giannis. Some would say he’s the MVP, especially considering the doesn’t have another top 5 player on deck.

You really gonna reduce losing without your whole starting lineup on a b2b in Denver to "Bucks suck without Giannis"?

Bucks are 6-2 in games Giannis doesnt play but Middleton does. They also play better than the Lakers when Giannis sits than when Lebron sits for LA

Real who’s who of elite teams those wins aren’t they. People have made it a point to highlight how great the Bucks have been without Giannis beating sub .500 teams. Same people completely discount the fact that AD is averaging 26/10 and is a DPOY candidate.

[mademan]

So now the Bucks are losing without Giannis. Some would say he’s the MVP, especially considering the doesn’t have another top 5 player on deck.

You really gonna reduce losing without your whole starting lineup on a b2b in Denver to "Bucks suck without Giannis"?

Bucks are 6-2 in games Giannis doesnt play but Middleton does. They also play better than the Lakers when Giannis sits than when Lebron sits for LA

Real who’s who of elite teams those wins aren’t they. People have made it a point to highlight how great the Bucks have been without Giannis beating sub .500 teams. Same people completely discount the fact that AD is averaging 26/10 and is a DPOY candidate.

Forget the games Giannis sits. On the year, the Bucks play terrific basketball when Giannis sits in games.

Giannis is still my MVP, but i legit believe, for at least the RS, the Bucks have the better supporting cast. And thats supported by the numbers. Like ya, Lebron got AD, but the team doesnt have anyone else who can dribble a basketball or run a half decent PnR.

[RB34]

You really gonna reduce losing without your whole starting lineup on a b2b in Denver to "Bucks suck without Giannis"?

Bucks are 6-2 in games Giannis doesnt play but Middleton does. They also play better than the Lakers when Giannis sits than when Lebron sits for LA

Real who’s who of elite teams those wins aren’t they. People have made it a point to highlight how great the Bucks have been without Giannis beating sub .500 teams. Same people completely discount the fact that AD is averaging 26/10 and is a DPOY candidate.

Forget the games Giannis sits. On the year, the Bucks play terrific basketball when Giannis sits in games.

Giannis is still my MVP, but i legit believe, for at least the RS, the Bucks have the better supporting cast. And thats supported by the numbers. Like ya, Lebron got AD, but the team doesnt have anyone else who can dribble a basketball or run a half decent PnR.

LeBron has always been the system of his teams, that’s the way he likes it. He gets all the credit that way and none of the blame.

We’re not too far removed from Rondo and AD playing together in the West semis. Apart from Jrue I would take what the Lakers have now over what the Pels had then. I refuse to believe a decent coach would not be able to scrub up a few wins against sub .500 teams when LBJ sits.

[OriginalRed]

Quoted from an article:

"The Lakers decimate opponents by 10.5 points per 100 possessions when LeBron plays, per Cleaning the Glass, but when he goes to the bench, they are outscored by 1.1 The Bucks, on the other hand, outscore opponents by 5.2 points per 100 possessions without Giannis. The kicker? When Giannis plays, they outscore opponents by 16.1 points per 100 possessions. The gap between the Bucks with and without him is therefore 10.9 points, very close to LeBron's 11.6-point gap. In other words, Giannis and LeBron have roughly the same impact on how well their teams play. The Bucks just happen to have such a well-constructed roster and brilliantly conceived system that they can weather the storm without their best player and blow the doors off other teams with him. The Lakers on the other hand really only have one playmaker and rely on Lebron to create essentially their entire offence, excluding AD who can get his points any time and is the leading anchor on defense"

[Homer38]

Milwaukee getting rolled again. What will the record differential be - like 1 loss?

Ruh roh. Giannis also has to be careful not to miss more than 10 games, he has already missed 7. Can he really win MVP playing 60ish games? Don’t see it happening


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If he missed another 10 games that would still be 65 and his record would be like .800+ in games played.

Who is the last MVP that won playing fewer than 70 games? Has it even happened in recent memory?

In the 1970s I think...Since that,the fewer was Allen Iverson in 2001 with 71 games.

[Homer38]

Quoted from an article:

"The Lakers decimate opponents by 10.5 points per 100 possessions when LeBron plays, per Cleaning the Glass, but when he goes to the bench, they are outscored by 1.1 The Bucks, on the other hand, outscore opponents by 5.2 points per 100 possessions without Giannis. The kicker? When Giannis plays, they outscore opponents by 16.1 points per 100 possessions. The gap between the Bucks with and without him is therefore 10.9 points, very close to LeBron's 11.6-point gap. In other words, Giannis and LeBron have roughly the same impact on how well their teams play. The Bucks just happen to have such a well-constructed roster and brilliantly conceived system that they can weather the storm without their best player and blow the doors off other teams with him. The Lakers on the other hand really only have one playmaker and rely on Lebron to create essentially their entire offence, excluding AD who can get his points any time and is the leading anchor on defense"

One game separe the Bucks and the Lakers now.

[bamheat]

Bucks are equivalent to the early 2010's Bulls. Sure they look great in the regular season, but they won't make it in playoffs.

I wouldn't be surprised if Raptors made it to the finals again where they will meet Lebron...and we know how that story will go.

[C0bR]

So now the Bucks are losing without Giannis. Some would say he’s the MVP, especially considering the doesn’t have another top 5 player on deck.

You really gonna reduce losing without your whole starting lineup on a b2b in Denver to "Bucks suck without Giannis"?

Bucks are 6-2 in games Giannis doesnt play but Middleton does. They also play better than the Lakers when Giannis sits than when Lebron sits for LA

Real who’s who of elite teams those wins aren’t they. People have made it a point to highlight how great the Bucks have been without Giannis beating sub .500 teams. Same people completely discount the fact that AD is averaging 26/10 and is a DPOY candidate.

but that's the entire Bucks season

[MisterHibachi]

Whoever gets the best record in the league is likely gonna win this. Although if the Lakers finish a game or two behind, LeBron should get benefit of the doubt as he's the best player in the league.

[AussieCeltic]

I suggest we got back and look at the month to month voting as most people seemed to have forgotten what happened before the weekend.

November
Giannis - 32%
Lebron - 24%
Doncic - 22%
Harden - 7%

December
Giannis - 51%
Doncic - 24%
Lebron - 11%
Harden - 5%

Jan
Giannis - 53%
Doncic - 17%
Lebron - 12%
Harden - 11%

Feb
Giannis - 62%
Harden - 12%
Lebron - 10%
Davis 6%

According to the posters on here, Giannis has this on lock

[Homer38]

Some act as if LeBron has only been great since 1 week or 2.

[AussieCeltic]

Some act as if LeBron has only been great since 1 week or 2.

He has been. Doesn’t change the fact Giannis has been better and that posters though Doncic and Harden were better up until now

[Homer38]

Some act as if LeBron has only been great since 1 week or 2.

He has been. Doesn’t change the fact Giannis has been better and that posters though Doncic and Harden were better up until now

Those who voted for Giannis did not say whether LeBron was better or not than Harden, Luka or others.

[Heej]

Giannis is easily the favorite, like he should be 70% in tbe lead at minimum right now. But the near infinite margin for error he had even a month ago has shrunk a decent after the last 2 losses, although it's still very large. The knee injury might be the tipping point here though. Particularly if this contributes to LeBron outplaying him in the last 20 games of the season. The Lakers are damn well capable of ripping off another big win streak. Other than that one 4 game skid in the middle of the season, they've been dominant throughout

[Ron Swanson]

Sabotaging the Lakers' locker room last season by throwing all his young teammates under the bus via trade rumors is a sign of "leadership" now? Jesus Rachel.

Yeah true getting AD was a huge mistake.

Because that's totally what anyone is arguing here.

[clyde21]

who let these guys out of the comp LeBron thread?

[Wooderson]

So now the Bucks are losing without Giannis. Some would say he’s the MVP, especially considering the doesn’t have another top 5 player on deck.

You really gonna reduce losing without your whole starting lineup on a b2b in Denver to "Bucks suck without Giannis"?

Bucks are 6-2 in games Giannis doesnt play but Middleton does. They also play better than the Lakers when Giannis sits than when Lebron sits for LA

They're 5-2 actually, he's missed 8 games (1 which Middleton sat last night). 5-1 against teams below .500 and 0-1 against teams above .500. 4 of the 5 wins were at home with the exception being @ Atlanta where Trae barely played.

Lakers are 2-1 without LeBron. 1-0 against teams below .500 and 1-1 against teams above .500.

Really shouldn't have an impact either way. Bucks have beaten some dumpter fire teams without Giannis. Lakers have the best win crushing OKC on the road without LeBron or AD.

[The_Hater]

So now the Bucks are losing without Giannis. Some would say he’s the MVP, especially considering the doesn’t have another top 5 player on deck.

You really gonna reduce losing without your whole starting lineup on a b2b in Denver to "Bucks suck without Giannis"?

Bucks are 6-2 in games Giannis doesnt play but Middleton does. They also play better than the Lakers when Giannis sits than when Lebron sits for LA

Real who’s who of elite teams those wins aren’t they. People have made it a point to highlight how great the Bucks have been without Giannis beating sub .500 teams. Same people completely discount the fact that AD is averaging 26/10 and is a DPOY candidate.

Without the Bucks 17/29 teams are .500 or worse. And even worse in the EC wheee only 5/14 non Buck teams are better than .500. That means a huge majority of the schedule for all the top teams in the East is against a lot of really bad teams. Searching for quality wins against great opponents in such a small sample of games is difficult to begin with but also doesn’t prove much if they are there. The point remains that the Bucks clearly haven’t fallen off the cliff without Giannis.