Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread

[NBAFan93]

“Pushing it” is an major overstatement - he said a couple sentences and he media blew it out of proportion. Just like him saying “people should inject themselves w/ disinfectants” has been turned into a thing, when he barely even said anything.

The media blew it out of proportion? People saw him on TV! Sure you need a prescription, and when patients scream at their doctors that the President recommends it, they get a prescription.
On March 19th Trump said, “I think it could be something really incredible," and continued that the two drugs had shown “very, very encouraging results” in treating the virus.

By that evening, first-time prescriptions of the drugs — chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine — poured into retail pharmacies at more than 46 times the rate of the average weekday. The biggest number was in Florida, where nearly one prescription was written for every thousand residents.

There's a reason it's called the Bully Pulpit. What a president says matters, and when he muses about medical issues that he has no clue about, it can be disastrous.

That increase in Rx’s was probably way more about hoarding/having it ahead of time “just in case it works out” than they were for people actually wanting to take the drug right away. And that’s a problem w/ the doctors writing unnecessary Rx’s and is a fault of the doctors more than anything.

[YourBuddy]

Trump cultists really out in full force here

Democrats are the laughing stock to the whole world. So much so that it still makes sense to vote republican despite how idiotic trump is at times. The man knows how to manage a great economy that gets everyone working whether people like it or not (again despite him being borderline stupid at times)

Keep proving that cult status even more for me. In reality everyone is laughing at this weirdo on TV suggesting injecting disinfectants as a treatment for coronavirus. You know things are bad when the Onion predicted the future on this.

[MotownMadness]

Trump cultists really out in full force here

Democrats are the laughing stock to the whole world. So much so that it still makes sense to vote republican despite how idiotic trump is at times. The man knows how to manage a great economy that gets everyone working whether people like it or not (again despite him being borderline stupid at times)

Keep proving that cult status even more for me. In reality everyone is laughing at this weirdo on TV suggesting injecting disinfectants as a treatment for coronavirus. You know things are bad when the Onion predicted the future on this.

Even funnier is the incoherent corpse you guys elected to get crushed by the weirdo in November

[YourBuddy]

Democrats are the laughing stock to the whole world. So much so that it still makes sense to vote republican despite how idiotic trump is at times. The man knows how to manage a great economy that gets everyone working whether people like it or not (again despite him being borderline stupid at times)

Keep proving that cult status even more for me. In reality everyone is laughing at this weirdo on TV suggesting injecting disinfectants as a treatment for coronavirus. You know things are bad when the Onion predicted the future on this.

Even funnier is the incoherent corpse you guys elected to get crushed by the weirdo in November

Watch on YouTube

[Pointgod]

Trump cultists really out in full force here

Democrats are the laughing stock to the whole world. So much so that it still makes sense to vote republican despite how idiotic trump is at times. The man knows how to manage a great economy that gets everyone working whether people like it or not (again despite him being borderline stupid at times)

Dude I’m not American and Trump is absolutely despised by the rest of the world. There’s no way you can spin that America’s standing in the world has gone down under Trump.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/01/08/trump-ratings-remain-low-around-globe-while-views-of-u-s-stay-mostly-favorable/

As has been the case throughout his presidency, U.S. President Donald Trump receives largely negative reviews from publics around the world. Across 32 countries surveyed by Pew Research Center, a median of 64% say they do not have confidence in Trump to do the right thing in world affairs, while just 29% express confidence in the American leader.

In nearly all nations where trends are available, Trump receives lower ratings than his predecessor, Barack Obama. As reported by the Center in 2017, international confidence in the U.S. president plummeted after Trump’s inauguration, while favorable ratings for the United States also declined.

Trump’s poor leadership during the crisis is apparent outside of his supporters and it’s showing as much in polling numbers compared to Governors and other world leaders. He’s completed mismanaged this from the start, he would have been better off letting Pence and the experts do the daily briefings instead of using them as campaign rallies, talking about his ratings and beefing with the media.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/governors-world-leaders-approval-surges-during-crisis-trump-sees-smaller-n1175396

Murray's most recent poll found 50 percent of Americans think Trump has done a good job responding to the outbreak, compared to 45 percent who think he’s done a bad job.

But governors received far higher marks, with 72 percent saying their state’s chief executive had done a good job compared to just 18 percent who said they had done a bad job.

Read on Twitter

Covid deaths stand at 50,000 and counting. This is not the time to be riffing and claiming you were sarcastic when he talked about injecting disinfectant and sunlight (we all know he wasn’t being sarcastic). I guess his supporters may not think much of it but it actually hurts credibility. The President is supposed to be someone you can trust is at least competent and comforts the country in a time of crisis. With the way Trump acts he’s just showing his true colors, he actually doesn’t care about anyone but himself.

[MotownMadness]

Keep proving that cult status even more for me. In reality everyone is laughing at this weirdo on TV suggesting injecting disinfectants as a treatment for coronavirus. You know things are bad when the Onion predicted the future on this.

Even funnier is the incoherent corpse you guys elected to get crushed by the weirdo in November

Watch on YouTube

Biden is still on another level of incoherent. Not even in a funny way either but a sad way.

Hes basically at a stage in life where he would probably think your his grandson

[YourBuddy]

Trump cultists really out in full force here

Democrats are the laughing stock to the whole world. So much so that it still makes sense to vote republican despite how idiotic trump is at times. The man knows how to manage a great economy that gets everyone working whether people like it or not (again despite him being borderline stupid at times)

Dude I’m not American and Trump is absolutely despised by the rest of the world. There’s no way you can spin that America’s standing in the world has gone down under Trump.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/01/08/trump-ratings-remain-low-around-globe-while-views-of-u-s-stay-mostly-favorable/

As has been the case throughout his presidency, U.S. President Donald Trump receives largely negative reviews from publics around the world. Across 32 countries surveyed by Pew Research Center, a median of 64% say they do not have confidence in Trump to do the right thing in world affairs, while just 29% express confidence in the American leader.

In nearly all nations where trends are available, Trump receives lower ratings than his predecessor, Barack Obama. As reported by the Center in 2017, international confidence in the U.S. president plummeted after Trump’s inauguration, while favorable ratings for the United States also declined.

Trump’s poor leadership during the crisis is apparent outside of his supporters and it’s showing as much in polling numbers compared to Governors and other world leaders. He’s completed mismanaged this from the start, he would have been better off letting Pence and the experts do the daily briefings instead of using them as campaign rallies, talking about his ratings and beefing with the media.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/governors-world-leaders-approval-surges-during-crisis-trump-sees-smaller-n1175396

Murray's most recent poll found 50 percent of Americans think Trump has done a good job responding to the outbreak, compared to 45 percent who think he’s done a bad job.

But governors received far higher marks, with 72 percent saying their state’s chief executive had done a good job compared to just 18 percent who said they had done a bad job.

Read on Twitter

Covid deaths stand at 50,000 and counting. This is not the time to be riffing and claiming you were sarcastic when he talked about injecting disinfectant and sunlight (we all know he wasn’t being sarcastic). I guess his supporters may not think much of it but it actually hurts credibility. The President is supposed to be someone you can trust is at least competent and comforts the country in a time of crisis. With the way Trump acts he’s just showing his true colors, he actually doesn’t care about anyone but himself.

Now you will hear how the World not liking Trump is actually a good thing because something something "America First", and not a bad thing that they just claimed.

[YourBuddy]

Even funnier is the incoherent corpse you guys elected to get crushed by the weirdo in November

Watch on YouTube

Biden is still on another level of incoherent. Not even in a funny way either but a sad way.

Hes basically at a stage in life where he would probably think your his grandson

Hold on you don't think Trump on stage is sad? It is like watching a train wreck happening in slow motion every single time when he can't form words or thinks out loud. They have playlists of this dude not knowing how to speak, or spell, or read.

[Dupp]

I think you're pretty sheltered and delusional if you think people outside the states are laughing at democrats.

No one cares about your politics. People just see the dude telling people to inject disinfectants and all these other dumb ideas. Dude is a walking parody.

[Pointgod]

Even funnier is the incoherent corpse you guys elected to get crushed by the weirdo in November

Watch on YouTube

Biden is still on another level of incoherent. Not even in a funny way either but a sad way.

Hes basically at a stage in life where he would probably think your his grandson

Already more coherent and competent than Trump.

Read on Twitter

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[MotownMadness]

Watch on YouTube

Biden is still on another level of incoherent. Not even in a funny way either but a sad way.

Hes basically at a stage in life where he would probably think your his grandson

Hold on you don't think Trump on stage is sad? It is like watching a train wreck happening in slow motion every single time when he can't form words or thinks out loud. They have playlists of this dude not knowing how to speak, or spell, or read.

He says some dumb stuff no doubt but hes still alot sharper at his age then Biden. Guy is hilarious and quick with roasting comments sometimes.

Im just saying Biden isnt all there. The guy has been in politics forever so you can tell how much hes losing it.

Saying things like Luhan China, AR14s, im running for the Senate. I mean theres tons of others and its a sad guarantee everytime he talks.

[Pointgod]

Democrats are the laughing stock to the whole world. So much so that it still makes sense to vote republican despite how idiotic trump is at times. The man knows how to manage a great economy that gets everyone working whether people like it or not (again despite him being borderline stupid at times)

Dude I’m not American and Trump is absolutely despised by the rest of the world. There’s no way you can spin that America’s standing in the world has gone down under Trump.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/01/08/trump-ratings-remain-low-around-globe-while-views-of-u-s-stay-mostly-favorable/

As has been the case throughout his presidency, U.S. President Donald Trump receives largely negative reviews from publics around the world. Across 32 countries surveyed by Pew Research Center, a median of 64% say they do not have confidence in Trump to do the right thing in world affairs, while just 29% express confidence in the American leader.

In nearly all nations where trends are available, Trump receives lower ratings than his predecessor, Barack Obama. As reported by the Center in 2017, international confidence in the U.S. president plummeted after Trump’s inauguration, while favorable ratings for the United States also declined.

Trump’s poor leadership during the crisis is apparent outside of his supporters and it’s showing as much in polling numbers compared to Governors and other world leaders. He’s completed mismanaged this from the start, he would have been better off letting Pence and the experts do the daily briefings instead of using them as campaign rallies, talking about his ratings and beefing with the media.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/governors-world-leaders-approval-surges-during-crisis-trump-sees-smaller-n1175396

Murray's most recent poll found 50 percent of Americans think Trump has done a good job responding to the outbreak, compared to 45 percent who think he’s done a bad job.

But governors received far higher marks, with 72 percent saying their state’s chief executive had done a good job compared to just 18 percent who said they had done a bad job.

Read on Twitter

Covid deaths stand at 50,000 and counting. This is not the time to be riffing and claiming you were sarcastic when he talked about injecting disinfectant and sunlight (we all know he wasn’t being sarcastic). I guess his supporters may not think much of it but it actually hurts credibility. The President is supposed to be someone you can trust is at least competent and comforts the country in a time of crisis. With the way Trump acts he’s just showing his true colors, he actually doesn’t care about anyone but himself.

Now you will hear how the World not liking Trump is actually a good thing because something something "America First", and not a bad thing that they just claimed.

Oh I don’t expert anything other than mental gymnastics and misinformation from them. I’m sure they’ll claim how the rest of the world is brainwashed by CNN and MSNBC.
This post is coronavirus related and the whole point is to show that leaders that took it seriously, maintained composure and had plans of action, whether they’re Democratic and Republican Governors or heads of state earned the trust and approval of the public. The only outlier there is Boris Johnson who acted like a complete idiot at first but I assume a lot of his approval is sympathy for him. It’s not like other leaders all had appropriate responses or didn’t get hit harder by covid, but they showed respect for experts, demonstrated competency and didn’t make it about themselves. It’s a straight forward blueprint that Trump could have followed and everyone would have given him credit.

[marcush]

Wow. This is staggering.

Your President speculating on air about injecting disinfectant. And then saying it was just sarcasm.

[nymets1]

Florida latest. From DeSantis today:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article242289281.html

- No in-person sports (fans) in May
- No theaters yet
- Positive testing percentage rate seems to be improving (dropping)

“What we’re seeing is the percentage of people that go in to test and test positive is declining,” he said. “If you look at the last week, the average positive rate for new individuals was about 7.5%. So that’s a good sign that things are going in a good direction.”

https://covidtracking.com/data/state/florida#historical
Based on this site, through April 24, Florida had a positive test percentage rate of around 9.5% (30,174 positives in 316,959 tests). So if the rate is now going towards 7.5%, instead, that does seem like an improvement.

i heard on the radio coming home from work that governor Ron Desantis said the antibody tests will be here in Florida by May 1st and that's the key for re-opening Florida. This link i saw yesterday is a game changer

https://news.columbia.edu/ultraviolet-technology-virus-covid-19-UV-light

(UVC Light)

The best things we can do right now is the antibody tests, the blood plasma's and get that UVC light installed at all indoor places ASAP.

[bwgood77]

Wow, you guys have been arguing about this disinfectant thing for a long time. Yes, it's quite obviously a President shouldn't be giving medical advice nor should people listen to it whether it be the drug he bought 29 million doses of that evidently harms more than it helps, or suggesting they should look into injecting disinfectants.

Any of this is obvious. No need to argue about it for multiple pages.

On another note, I haven't followed all this stuff real closely the past week, but has there been discussion of these pulse oximeters? Sounds like they could potentially be a game changer. This is kind of an eye opening opinion piece about how people who have Covid may not realize how bad their lungs are getting because the symptoms are not that bad, until it's too late, and that by the time they are at the hospital, maybe too much damage has been done, but this device could potentially prevent that..

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html?

[YourBuddy]

Biden is still on another level of incoherent. Not even in a funny way either but a sad way.

Hes basically at a stage in life where he would probably think your his grandson

Hold on you don't think Trump on stage is sad? It is like watching a train wreck happening in slow motion every single time when he can't form words or thinks out loud. They have playlists of this dude not knowing how to speak, or spell, or read.

He says some dumb stuff no doubt but hes still alot sharper at his age then Biden. Guy is hilarious and quick with roasting comments sometimes.

Im just saying Biden isnt all there. The guy has been in politics forever so you can tell how much hes losing it.

Saying things like Luhan China, AR14s, im running for the Senate. I mean theres tons of others and its a sad guarantee everytime he talks.

Different strokes I guess, I haven't heard Trump say anything funny in my life.

Trump has so many idiotic moments that it is difficult to remember them all. This guy looked directly into a solar eclipse.

[michaelm]

“Pushing it” is an major overstatement - he said a couple sentences and he media blew it out of proportion. Just like him saying “people should inject themselves w/ disinfectants” has been turned into a thing, when he barely even said anything.

The media blew it out of proportion? People saw him on TV! Sure you need a prescription, and when patients scream at their doctors that the President recommends it, they get a prescription.
On March 19th Trump said, “I think it could be something really incredible," and continued that the two drugs had shown “very, very encouraging results” in treating the virus.

By that evening, first-time prescriptions of the drugs — chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine — poured into retail pharmacies at more than 46 times the rate of the average weekday. The biggest number was in Florida, where nearly one prescription was written for every thousand residents.

There's a reason it's called the Bully Pulpit. What a president says matters, and when he muses about medical issues that he has no clue about, it can be disastrous.

That increase in Rx’s was probably way more about hoarding/having it ahead of time “just in case it works out” than they were for people actually wanting to take the drug right away. And that’s a problem w/ the doctors writing unnecessary Rx’s and is a fault of the doctors more than anything.

I have no doubt CNN for one is slanted against Trump, but there being doctors who are idiots doesn’t preclude him being an idiot in regard to medical pronouncements, which for me reflect a fairly consistent problem he has in general ie that he thinks he is smarter than everyone else and any casual thought bubble he has is profound/a genius level insight. I thought initially he was just trying to give people some hope, but further prognostications by him suggest otherwise. We know of at least 2 cases, one of whom died, who took chloroquine formulated for fish tanks, and I seriously doubt people who inveigle a doctor into prescribing chloroquine for them on the basis of what a president who has a background as a property developer rather than in medicine or pharmacy has said are likely to follow medical advice on dosage, not that the latter is established for Coronavirus afaik particularly given there is no definitive evidence it is effective, especially prophylactically. Widespread cardiac problems would not be seen with the usual dose given for connective tissue diseases.

[michaelm]

Wow, you guys have been arguing about this disinfectant thing for a long time. Yes, it's quite obviously a President shouldn't be giving medical advice nor should people listen to it whether it be the drug he bought 29 million doses of that evidently harms more than it helps, or suggesting they should look into injecting disinfectants.

Any of this is obvious. No need to argue about it for multiple pages.

On another note, I haven't followed all this stuff real closely the past week, but has there been discussion of these pulse oximeters? Sounds like they could potentially be a game changer. This is kind of an eye opening opinion piece about how people who have Covid may not realize how bad their lungs are getting because the symptoms are not that bad, until it's too late, and that by the time they are at the hospital, maybe too much damage has been done, but this device could potentially prevent that..

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html?

Sure, they are not even very expensive these days.

[HotRocks34]

Latest from an NBA angle:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/257985/NBA-To-Allow-Certain-Teams-To-Re-Open-Practice-Facilities-For-Individual-Workouts-On-May-1st

The NBA will allow teams to re-open practice facilities in areas where local governments eased stay-at-home orders on May 1st, league sources told Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.

Team will be allowed to host voluntary, individual workouts, with group practices still prohibited.

[michaelm]

Biden is still on another level of incoherent. Not even in a funny way either but a sad way.

Hes basically at a stage in life where he would probably think your his grandson

Hold on you don't think Trump on stage is sad? It is like watching a train wreck happening in slow motion every single time when he can't form words or thinks out loud. They have playlists of this dude not knowing how to speak, or spell, or read.

He says some dumb stuff no doubt but hes still alot sharper at his age then Biden. Guy is hilarious and quick with roasting comments sometimes.

Im just saying Biden isnt all there. The guy has been in politics forever so you can tell how much hes losing it.

Saying things like Luhan China, AR14s, im running for the Senate. I mean theres tons of others and its a sad guarantee everytime he talks.

The Democrats are from my overseas perspective self defeating, to which an obsession with Trump significantly contributes imo. The sensible thing for me would have been for them to find the strongest candidate they could and unite behind that candidate then beat Trump in the next election, after which he would be over with. Bloomberg seemed like a potentially worthy candidate to me, not that I would really know.