NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 3)

[AleksandarN]

I wonder how many of you listened to Perkins without bias.
His point: Jokic averaged 9.5 assists per game. Then he started to take less shots and got more assists and got his average above 10 assists. Is’t this just true? Why all the fuzz about this?

I don’t agree with everything he said and insinuated around this. But it’s good he noted this and asked questions about it. The simple answer is the Nuggets win a lot of games so who cares.

Let me ask you. What is Denver's record when Jokic has 10 or more assists?

This season the Nuggets are 30W-1L when Jokic had 10 or more assists; 11W-13L when he had less than 10 assists; 3W-5L when he did not play. Alarming difference.

Exactly totally stat padding assists. Are people that dumb that they believe this or are intellectually dishonest in their arguments

[Exp0sed]

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This is easily explained by not only Nuggets bench is terrible but also to the way Nuggets are one of the few if not the only team that subs all 5 of their players with bench which highly inflates their on off and general +- numbers.

that doesn't make any sense
if all their starters are benched at the same time (inculding Jokic) it wouldn't affect their ts% with\without him as they'd be playing most if not all their mins and taking most if not all of their shots - when they're playing with Jokic

i'm just following your logic here, yeah?

if they are all one unit, what does on/off with Jokic had to do with it and why is that chasm so damn large?

[Infinite Llamas]

The reality is that it's understandable for Bucks & 76ers fans to attempt to prod holes into Jokic because realistically they know their guy doesn't have a shot at MVP barring injury. So now they're questioning whether Jokic stat pads based on a low IQ take by a certified bum in Kendrick Perkins. Let them have their moment!

lol our moment is when the real MVP raises the trophy in June, your moment is a media given award & making up excuses for why Jokic gets bounced every year without much of a whimper. Too much of a novelty being a fat white guy who is 7 foot and PASSES, whattttttt? A center that gets assists!?!?!?!?! That must count as a double assist or something, that's way more valuable than a guard passing obviously. Jokic "plays the right way", you know, not like some athletic 2 way player that can dominate both sides of the game and is a proven winner in the postseason. He passes and is really efficient over the course of 82 games, obviously that's the MOST valuable skillset in the league which is why it translates so easily to the postseason.

Yeah, Chauncey Billups was the REAL MVP of 2004. Give me an f’n break.

[Infinite Llamas]

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This is easily explained by not only Nuggets bench is terrible but also to the way Nuggets are one of the few if not the only team that subs all 5 of their players with bench which highly inflates their on off and general +- numbers.

that doesn't make any sense
if all their starters are benched at the same time (inculding Jokic) it wouldn't affect their ts% with\without him as they'd be playing most if not all their mins and taking most if not all of their shots - when they're playing with Jokic

i'm just following your logic here, yeah?

if they are all one unit, what does on/off with Jokic had to do with it and why is that chasm so damn large?

Jokic making Cancar WORSE…

…their next talking point, watch.

[AleksandarN]

The reality is that it's understandable for Bucks & 76ers fans to attempt to prod holes into Jokic because realistically they know their guy doesn't have a shot at MVP barring injury. So now they're questioning whether Jokic stat pads based on a low IQ take by a certified bum in Kendrick Perkins. Let them have their moment!

lol our moment is when the real MVP raises the trophy in June, your moment is a media given award & making up excuses for why Jokic gets bounced every year without much of a whimper. Too much of a novelty being a fat white guy who is 7 foot and PASSES, whattttttt? A center that gets assists!?!?!?!?! That must count as a double assist or something, that's way more valuable than a guard passing obviously. Jokic "plays the right way", you know, not like some athletic 2 way player that can dominate both sides of the game and is a proven winner in the postseason. He passes and is really efficient over the course of 82 games, obviously that's the MOST valuable skillset in the league which is why it translates so easily to the postseason.



this is how I imagine Jokic Stans

Then start your own fmvp thread and exit this one. If you only care about fmvp why post in this thread

[Magic Giannison]

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This is easily explained by not only Nuggets bench is terrible but also to the way Nuggets are one of the few if not the only team that subs all 5 of their players with bench which highly inflates their on off and general +- numbers.

that doesn't make any sense
if all their starters are benched at the same time (inculding Jokic) it wouldn't affect their ts% with\without him as they'd be playing most if not all their mins and taking most if not all of their shots - when they're playing with Jokic

i'm just following your logic here, yeah?

if they are all one unit, what does on/off with Jokic had to do with it and why is that chasm so damn large?

Do you even understand what ive said? i even said their bench is terrible.

What part are you exactly arguing about, the fact that Nuggets is the team that does the whole team change most than anyone in the league?

You're not using my logic, you literally make no sense.

[AleksandarN]

I like how many in here pretend tat payoff performance doesn't affect the MVP votes when the most prominent media influences and voters. Guess what Zach Lowe, Bill Simmons,Stephen A Smith etc. were saying about Giannis not winning his 3rd in a row MVP?

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Here, have a nice thread about it if you're interested.

You tend to forget that Giannis didn’t have a better season than jokic that year. But go ahead continue. I am listening

[Magic Giannison]

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8 minute 20 seconds which explains and says the same thing im saying about the on off thing.

[Magic Giannison]

I like how many in here pretend tat payoff performance doesn't affect the MVP votes when the most prominent media influences and voters. Guess what Zach Lowe, Bill Simmons,Stephen A Smith etc. were saying about Giannis not winning his 3rd in a row MVP?

Read on Twitter

Here, have a nice thread about it if you're interested.

You tend to forget that Giannis didn’t have a better season than jokic that year. But go ahead continue. I am listening

This is why i cannot argue much with many of you guys here, you totally ignore my point over and over and keep bringing up something i explained before.

The fact that playoff performance is factored into him possibly winning or not the 3rd MVP is literally the point. All these 3 are one of the most influential media spokesmen that promoted this talking point which affected the voting results.

[AleksandarN]

I wonder how many of you listened to Perkins without bias.
His point: Jokic averaged 9.5 assists per game. Then he started to take less shots and got more assists and got his average above 10 assists. Is’t this just true? Why all the fuzz about this?

I don’t agree with everything he said and insinuated around this. But it’s good he noted this and asked questions about it. The simple answer is the Nuggets win a lot of games so who cares.

Let me ask you. What is Denver's record when Jokic has 10 or more assists?

Let me ask you. Did you read my last sentence?

Bringing up perk and saying isn’t it true. Is being dishonest in itself. Asking questions about something that is false is being intellectually dishonest. I see this all of the time. Always bringing in doubt even when there isn’t any.

[AleksandarN]

I don’t think postseason should be accounted for in a regular season award.

If only they had a mvp awards for the finals and conference finals. Ohh wait…

[AleksandarN]

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This is easily explained by not only Nuggets bench is terrible but also to the way Nuggets are one of the few if not the only team that subs all 5 of their players with bench which highly inflates their on off and general +- numbers.

A better analysis would be to include career numbers to numbers playing with Jokic. There is reasons why players are having career years playing with jokic.

[Wolfgang630]

I don’t think postseason should be accounted for in a regular season award.

If only they had a mvp awards for the finals and conference finals. Ohh wait…

I said it last years MVP if you’re a Bucks fan or Philly fan you should be happy because you have the stronger team. Jokic can win MVPs, but winning the championship is more important. Bucks are better and Giannis is in position to possibly win another championship.

Jokic is getting all the pressure now and all the criticism to win a championship because he has a full team. He’s gonna get all the ire just like other superstars now.

[JonHeist]

It'll be funny to look back on this thread when the Bucks have finished running the table and Giannis wins MVP unanimously

[Johnny Firpo]

I don’t think postseason should be accounted for in a regular season award.

If only they had a mvp awards for the finals and conference finals. Ohh wait…

I said it last years MVP if you’re a Bucks fan or Philly fan you should be happy because you have the stronger team. Jokic can win MVPs, but winning the championship is more important. Bucks are better and Giannis is in position to possibly win another championship.

Jokic is getting all the pressure now and all the criticism to win a championship because he has a full team. He’s gonna get all the ire just like other superstars now.

And that's my other problem with the "no one criticizes Jokic" argument, which is not true to begin with, but let's pretend that it is. Joker literally never had a team that was considered to be one of the favorites, until this year. And his level of play plays a large part in that, I don't think this roster is a world-beater now either, it's just that he got four really good players to join him in the rotation (two coming back from injuries and two signing with them). It's a balanced, really good team, but they are not, and will never be overwhelming favorites as currently constructed.

[Johnny Firpo]

It'll be funny to look back on this thread when the Bucks have finished running the table and Giannis wins MVP unanimously

You think if the Bucks wins the finals, Giannis will be the finals MVP? Wow, such insight.

[Magic Giannison]

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This is easily explained by not only Nuggets bench is terrible but also to the way Nuggets are one of the few if not the only team that subs all 5 of their players with bench which highly inflates their on off and general +- numbers.

A better analysis would be to include career numbers to numbers playing with Jokic. There is reasons why players are having career years playing with jokic.

Sounds fair, its winning them games and this line shifting system isnt a first time they use.

Al im saying it inflates the on off numbers hence why i scream context ever since damn i joined this board.

I have been one of the most adamant " hater" of the on off stat for anyone.

[AleksandarN]

I like how many in here pretend tat payoff performance doesn't affect the MVP votes when the most prominent media influences and voters. Guess what Zach Lowe, Bill Simmons,Stephen A Smith etc. were saying about Giannis not winning his 3rd in a row MVP?

Read on Twitter

Here, have a nice thread about it if you're interested.

You tend to forget that Giannis didn’t have a better season than jokic that year. But go ahead continue. I am listening

This is why i cannot argue much with many of you guys here, you totally ignore my point over and over and keep bringing up something i explained before.

The fact that playoff performance is factored into him possibly winning or not the 3rd MVP is literally the point. All these 3 are one of the most influential media spokesmen that promoted this talking point which affected the voting results.

Yeah and at the beginning of the year everyone(media included) including the most extreme jokic fans doubted jokic would win the third mvp. Even the same people in the media before the season didn’t think jokic will be where he is right now. But guess what Jokic is having an even better season this year than his previous mvp seasons. Having a historic season will do that. Now if Giannis had a historic season in that 20-21 season I believe he would have won it. The fact is Jokic is having the best season of his career and him having historic season is why he is the front runner.

[AleksandarN]

I don’t think postseason should be accounted for in a regular season award.

If only they had a mvp awards for the finals and conference finals. Ohh wait…

I said it last years MVP if you’re a Bucks fan or Philly fan you should be happy because you have the stronger team. Jokic can win MVPs, but winning the championship is more important. Bucks are better and Giannis is in position to possibly win another championship.

Jokic is getting all the pressure now and all the criticism to win a championship because he has a full team. He’s gonna get all the ire just like other superstars now.

Oh I agree. Now jokic has a real chance at a ring. It would be funny when he wins a ring and people will say it was because of his teammates. Just watch it. We will see people say if it wasn’t for the help he wouldn’t have won it. I can see it now.

[AleksandarN]

It'll be funny to look back on this thread when the Bucks have finished running the table and Giannis wins MVP unanimously

Funner thing would be to bet money on it in Vegas. Given the odds you could make a fortune!