2025 EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #3 New York Knicks vs #4 Indiana Pacers (IND leads 2-1)

[KnicksGadfly]

I think Pacers have lost every game 3 in the playoffs. Game 4 is a big one...think they've won every game 4 too.

[cgf]

There is a reason this KAT showed up. Brunson was on the bench.

how does it correlate? enlighten me pls. pls miss me with the ballhog, isoball narrative. Brunson is the first to sacrifice shots, if you had watched any knicks games before this series you would know that aswell.

he cant trust his teammates. because mikal, og, KAT legit only show up half the games they play.

We have all watched enough Knicks to know that Brunson and Thibs love their iso ball. There is very limited creativity when it comes to offense, Brunson would be so much better off ball which he shows quite often, but he falls into those moments of dribbling for 16 seconds far too often. When the team moves it around, it’s a thing of beauty, it just doesn’t happen often, and that is on a combination of Thibs & Brunson


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Have you? Cause I can remember plenty of examples of Jalen dishing in crunchtime to help us win...that's what makes him so deadly, he can kill you with the shot, the pass, or even off the ball.

[SuperflyKnick]

Same happened last year … NY won first 2 games and was up big gm 3 before OG leaves game with Hammy… This year Indy wins first 2 , up big in gm 3 and neismith goes down with ankle… We all know how that played out

[ReggiesKnicks]

Same happened last year … NY won first 2 games and was up big gm 3 before OG leaves game with Hammy… This year Indy wins first 2 , up big in gm 3 and neismith goes down with ankle… We all know how that played out

Nesmith finished the game and looked fine

[SuperflyKnick]

Similar pattern , and one would argue OG is more better player even if they both impact their team

[yoadknux]

Similar pattern , and one would argue OG is more better player even if they both impact their team

Nesmith had a historic game, how do you compare him to a player mostly known for a meme where he plays seriously only when there are courtside chicks

[cgf]

im so emotionally exhausted. this playoff run is too much.

i want this type of KAT every game. i mean not the first 3 quarters, the last one. the one where he was unstoppable. SHOW UP!!!

There is a reason this KAT showed up. Brunson was on the bench.

how does it correlate? enlighten me pls. pls miss me with the ballhog, isoball narrative. Brunson is the first to sacrifice shots, if you had watched any knicks games before this series you would know that aswell.

he cant trust his teammates. because mikal, og, KAT legit only show up half the games they play.

I think you're overstating things in the opposite direction. Jalen is often a slow starter in games, in part because he's finding his own rhythm / setting defenders up for later...but also because he spends a lot of the first half letting his team-mates see who's got it on the night. That's why some games Jalen is happy to toss the ball out to Karl or Mikal for the game winner and other games he goes 1-on-5.

I'm amenable to the argument that a great enough playmaker can get his team-mates hot even when they don't have it...but Jalen isn't that level of playmaker. He's a natural scorer who's good at looking for his team-mates when his gravity warps a defense.

[cgf]

Similar pattern , and one would argue OG is more better player even if they both impact their team

Nesmith had a historic game, how do you compare him to a player mostly known for a meme where he plays seriously only when there are courtside chicks

What on earth are you talking about?

[jk31]

I think Pacers have lost every game 3 in the playoffs. Game 4 is a big one...think they've won every game 4 too.

yep, its been basically the same each series. going up 2-0, losing the 3rd game to finish it in 4-1.

[cgf]

Thibs needs to tell Brunson to stop hogging the ball he isn't on that level where you accept it. The offense stops completely whenever Brunson is on the court this series.

Gotta love people who haven't seen a knicks game before repeating what some idiot talking head said. Lemme guess, was it Shaq?

They doubt Brunson. They complain about his fouls. They make excuses for why we won.

KAT won this game.

KAT and our defense. Even with KAT going off we lose if they score 114 again. But that was a real big boy performance from Karl when we needed him. Not only offensively but avoiding that 6th foul...but none of that makes Brunson a ball hog who stops the offense.

We don't win game 4 against Detroit without Jalen looking to Karl to score our final 5pts in that game. We don't make it to OT against Boston in game 1 without Brunson setting OG up for the go ahead bucket. When his team-mates have it going, Brunson has done a really good job of setting them up this year...and when nobody else has been cooking, Jalen has come through with the hard-carry.

[cgf]

I think Pacers have lost every game 3 in the playoffs. Game 4 is a big one...think they've won every game 4 too.

yep, its been basically the same each series. going up 2-0, losing the 3rd game to finish it in 4-1.

Well luckily the Knicks like to mess with the script a bit, so hopefully y'all are in for a little more excitement this series

[cgf]

Pacers just can't have periods where they play iso ball. That's what the Knicks got the Celtics to do.

The Nesmith injury changed the vibe, and the rotation to start the 4th. That didn't help either. Oh well, we saw all their changes, and will adjust. Same thing happened in the Cavs series. Cavs changes won them game 3, and the Pacers came equipped to attack it in game 4.

a thing i noticed is that the Pacers drive and kick got to obvious. They only had to half pressure the ring as they knew the guards were going to kick it back out. some of their guards have to finish.

Yeah, and it wasn't just when Mitch was out there. I get avoiding the paint when you have probably a top 5 defensive anchor there who can mess with your shot without evne having to jump. But they started looking like the Celtics did against us; far too ready to settle for perimeter shots without putting too much energy into getting to the rim. Did our wings physicality start getting to them?

[cgf]

Pacers just can't have periods where they play iso ball. That's what the Knicks got the Celtics to do.

The Nesmith injury changed the vibe, and the rotation to start the 4th. That didn't help either. Oh well, we saw all their changes, and will adjust. Same thing happened in the Cavs series. Cavs changes won them game 3, and the Pacers came equipped to attack it in game 4.

I wouldn't be so quick to assume you saw all of Thibs changes. This season has been very much one of showing as much as we are forced to, of what this team's full potential is. You've forced Thibs to use the double bigs more, replace Payne with Wright, and bring Shamet into the rotation, but there are other adjustments he can make to counter some of the adjustments Carlisle still has available to him.

This should continue to be a fascinating series since we're not soft & injured like the cavs were by game 4. Both teams are really well coached, have fantastic closers, and zero quit. You'll come back with a haymaker in the next round, but we might just slip it and catch you again.

[LFGK]

I think Pacers have lost every game 3 in the playoffs. Game 4 is a big one...think they've won every game 4 too.

Every Game 4, a big a$$ door, The NJ Jersey Shore....Knicks in 6

[Wingy]

Gotta love people who haven't seen a knicks game before repeating what some idiot talking head said. Lemme guess, was it Shaq?

They doubt Brunson. They complain about his fouls. They make excuses for why we won.

KAT won this game.

KAT and our defense. Even with KAT going off we lose if they score 114 again. But that was a real big boy performance from Karl when we needed him. Not only offensively but avoiding that 6th foul...but none of that makes Brunson a ball hog who stops the offense.

We don't win game 4 against Detroit without Jalen looking to Karl to score our final 5pts in that game. We don't make it to OT against Boston in game 1 without Brunson setting OG up for the go ahead bucket. When his team-mates have it going, Brunson has done a really good job of setting them up this year...and when nobody else has been cooking, Jalen has come through with the hard-carry.

I thought KAT was god awful for the first 3 quarters, and a big reason why NY could never get anything going and found themselves in a hole in the first place. I created a post asking why there wasn’t one of the ever-popular bashing threads, and boom! Right when he went off. So he made up for it, but he was really bad before the 4th.

Talking heads or not, the blown game 1 was a ton of Jalen pounding the ball against a tough set defense late while everyone else stood around watching. Maybe that’s atypical, but that’s still what happened in that instance, and anyone would be right to call it out.

[LFGK]

Similar pattern , and one would argue OG is more better player even if they both impact their team

Nesmith had a historic game, how do you compare him to a player mostly known for a meme where he plays seriously only when there are courtside chicks

you think nesmith is = to OG?

[LFGK]

I think Pacers have lost every game 3 in the playoffs. Game 4 is a big one...think they've won every game 4 too.

yep, its been basically the same each series. going up 2-0, losing the 3rd game to finish it in 4-1.

luckily(not so lucky for you) the knicks throw a wrench into that type of stuff, Pacers lose game 4 and they won't win another game this series.

[LFGK]

Pacers just can't have periods where they play iso ball. That's what the Knicks got the Celtics to do.

The Nesmith injury changed the vibe, and the rotation to start the 4th. That didn't help either. Oh well, we saw all their changes, and will adjust. Same thing happened in the Cavs series. Cavs changes won them game 3, and the Pacers came equipped to attack it in game 4.

a thing i noticed is that the Pacers drive and kick got to obvious. They only had to half pressure the ring as they knew the guards were going to kick it back out. some of their guards have to finish.

Yeah, and it wasn't just when Mitch was out there. I get avoiding the paint when you have probably a top 5 defensive anchor there who can mess with your shot without evne having to jump. But they started looking like the Celtics did against us; far too ready to settle for perimeter shots without putting too much energy into getting to the rim. Did our wings physicality start getting to them?

def did, the pressure put on them, they didn't like it, they are a finesse team and don't want the physicality no matter how much their fans want to say otherwise. OG's block on the second coming of Tmac is where I feel this series flipped in the Knicks favor(sounds funny being down 2-1 I know but momentum is a real thing)

[LFGK]

Pacers just can't have periods where they play iso ball. That's what the Knicks got the Celtics to do.

The Nesmith injury changed the vibe, and the rotation to start the 4th. That didn't help either. Oh well, we saw all their changes, and will adjust. Same thing happened in the Cavs series. Cavs changes won them game 3, and the Pacers came equipped to attack it in game 4.

I wouldn't be so quick to assume you saw all of Thibs changes. This season has been very much one of showing as much as we are forced to, of what this team's full potential is. You've forced Thibs to use the double bigs more, replace Payne with Wright, and bring Shamet into the rotation, but there are other adjustments he can make to counter some of the adjustments Carlisle still has available to him.

This should continue to be a fascinating series since we're not soft & injured like the cavs were by game 4. Both teams are really well coached, have fantastic closers, and zero quit. You'll come back with a haymaker in the next round, but we might just slip it and catch you again.

I love this comparing of series to past series like there is any correlation. Carlisle is top 5 most overrated coached in sports, we will see his adjustments, but when the Knicks drag the pacers pace down into the mud and its another low scoring game, don't be so shocked

[Himothy Duncan]

The Knicks are getting exposed as massive frauds once again.

I don’t understand this mindset. It’s the same stupid **** we heard in the previous series with Cleveland. In fact we hear it all the time.

Why is it that when one team loses, they’re frauds? We can see what’s happening out there with our eyes. Why is this always the conclusion we draw to?

Or better yet: why is it so hard to give opposing teams more credit for playing great? Why isn’t this a matter of the Pacers just being that good? They’re playing excellent defense, hitting their shots, executing at a high level, but for some reason it’s “the Knicks are frauds”.

Revisiting this again because guess what? NY won the game. Womp womp.

If you lose the first two games at home you’re a fraud. It is what it is. In the conference finals, teams that lost their first two home games have a 0-11 record.