Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III (Info. Post 1)

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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III (Info. Post 1) 

Post#1261 » by basketballRob » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:46 pm

Metallikid wrote:
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Metallikid wrote:
Be careful man, the progression of the disease is: a cold, then a short recovery, then it develops into the flu, then a short recovery, then it develops into the viral pneumonia. (if you're going to get it)

It's bi-phasic meaning it goes worse-better-worse-better-worse-recovery. (if possible)

If you get a fever don't immediately take fever-reducers unless it is dangerously high. Your body needs the fever to fight the infection.
Sigh. That's what I've heard. My oxygen remains at 98%, no coughing up blood or rattle in lungs yet. No fever yet entire time. As long as I watch for those I should be okay?

I'm 33 and a bit overweight. Only pre-existing condition is mild (but controlled) hypertension. Never smoked at all.


If you have any Vitamin C/D/Zinc but C especially I would be taking large doses as it helps the immune system generally.
I thought i was getting sick, but feel better after getting away from this for a while. Good thing is you can have in home tests now. A couple companies will have it this week. Everlywell will have 30k Monday for 135


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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III (Info. Post 1) 

Post#1262 » by Hornet Mania » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:46 pm

shangrila wrote:
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Optimus_Steel wrote:All hail the free market God for which he/she always fixes things they screwed up in the first place.

Why do people in this country treat the markets as it's some supernatural being that knows everything and solves everything?


Indoctrination, mostly.

Luckily the unprecedented nature of this emergency is helping a lot of politicians get their minds right, just witness the Republicans (of all people!) coming around to the Yang plan of direct cash payments to keep citizens afloat. I honestly don't even care that this shift is only spurred by naked self-interest ('Don't blame me, I gave you some money!'), I just hope they actually help their citizens when they desperately need the boost.

Corporations have never been shy about lining up to ask the government for free money or loans with ridiculously low interest no normal consumer could ever access. Ideally they prefer to privatize the gains and socialize the losses.

Yang's plan was in response to a level of automation that was years away and would have been costing the country billions if not trillions in the mean time. Currently they're trying to keep the economy afloat. Bit different.


Of course the situations aren't identical, but I think the theory for why this would help is basically the same in both cases. Yang's argument was that the slow-rolling disaster of automation and jobs moving overseas, but mostly automation, had been a drag on consumer spending and this would only become much worse as more jobs were mechanized. His proposal of a 'freedom dividend' was designed as a way to boost discretionary spending for citizens/consumers and provide stability even as more and more jobs are permanently lost (not endorsing his views, just laying it out as I understand it). The theory of why free money for the Covid quarantine would help is much the same, it would put money into the hands of consumers to fill the gap of their lost purchasing power. Except in this case it's not automation or China that is killing employment and discretionary spending it's a contagious disease.

The approach may or may not work, we'll probably soon find out, but I do think the reasoning for adopting it is similar in both cases. I understand what you mean about Yang's hypothetical automated future still being a few years ahead of us, and that's why I think this idea would have been mothballed for a decade or more if not for this unprecedented situation. Circumstances have dictated every option be on the table, and his idea isn't the worst one if we insist that consumer spending (and not collective action/rationing) is the only way to make the economy spin.
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III (Info. Post 1) 

Post#1263 » by OkcSinceSGA » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:47 pm

Metallikid wrote:
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Metallikid wrote:
Be careful man, the progression of the disease is: a cold, then a short recovery, then it develops into the flu, then a short recovery, then it develops into the viral pneumonia. (if you're going to get it)

It's bi-phasic meaning it goes worse-better-worse-better-worse-recovery. (if possible)

If you get a fever don't immediately take fever-reducers unless it is dangerously high. Your body needs the fever to fight the infection.
Sigh. That's what I've heard. My oxygen remains at 98%, no coughing up blood or rattle in lungs yet. No fever yet entire time. As long as I watch for those I should be okay?

I'm 33 and a bit overweight. Only pre-existing condition is mild (but controlled) hypertension. Never smoked at all.


If you have any Vitamin C/D/Zinc but C especially I would be taking large doses as it helps the immune system generally.
Already taking them all. Sadly vitamin C supplement is too low at RDA level. I may need a 1000 MG Vitamin C. Already taking Vitamin D 1000 IU and Zinc I think about 50 or 75.

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Post#1264 » by bwgood77 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:49 pm

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Doug_12 wrote:Try meditation, start watching a sitcom, whatever, but don't let yourself always thinking about this. I know it's hard, but it's way better.

Moreover: Most models say 60-70% of the population will be infected. Based on your posts you seem to be in the 30-40% that won't… :wink:


I distract myself playing with my daughter+ playing video games. Work is so dead though that I have endless hours of downtime. Which I use pretty much purely researching this pandemic.


Maybe research the stock market or property market. Maybe try to forecast ways you can pick up some more money in the present or future. Maybe read, write a fictional story, think of an idea for a business. Honestly, if you put that energy into something useful you could get a lot out of it for you and your family.


It may not be the best time to research stocks and property values. Heck, I just moved my entire 401K balance into a money market fund. But yes, it would be good for him to get his mind off it and use at least some of the time on something more enjoyable.
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Post#1265 » by LKN » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:49 pm

basketballRob wrote:Everlywell will have 30000 in home tests for 135 on Monday the 23rd.

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THis is nuts... as much as possible testing capacity needs to be reserved for Medical personnel, first responders and essential workers.

We have test doctors and nurses continuously to keep them working.
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Post#1266 » by basketballRob » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:49 pm

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
Metallikid wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:Sigh. That's what I've heard. My oxygen remains at 98%, no coughing up blood or rattle in lungs yet. No fever yet entire time. As long as I watch for those I should be okay?

I'm 33 and a bit overweight. Only pre-existing condition is mild (but controlled) hypertension. Never smoked at all.


If you have any Vitamin C/D/Zinc but C especially I would be taking large doses as it helps the immune system generally.
Already taking them all. Sadly vitamin C supplement is too low at RDA level. I may need a 1000 MG Vitamin C. Already taking Vitamin D 1000 IU and Zinc I think about 50 or 75.

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I take 2-4000 iu of d but i also take k2 so it won't calcify.

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Post#1267 » by Topofthekey » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:50 pm

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
Topofthekey wrote:
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China undoubtedly lied their asses off.

Are they lying about people going back to work as well?
I'm not sure how that is related.

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China is reporting much fewer cases, and people are starting to go back to work

According to you, they are lying their asses off about their numbers

So are they also lying about people going back to work?

Or are people over there forced to go back to work despite the virus?
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Post#1268 » by OkcSinceSGA » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:50 pm

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Post#1269 » by basketballRob » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:50 pm

LKN wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Everlywell will have 30000 in home tests for 135 on Monday the 23rd.

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THis is nuts... as much as possible testing capacity needs to be reserved for Medical personnel, first responders and essential workers.

We have test doctors and nurses continuously to keep them working.
This is a private company. The test will be everywhere next week

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Post#1270 » by OkcSinceSGA » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:52 pm

Topofthekey wrote:
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Topofthekey wrote:Are they lying about people going back to work as well?
I'm not sure how that is related.

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China is reporting much fewer cases, and people are starting to go back to work

According to you, they are lying their asses off about their numbers

So are they also lying about people going back to work?

Or are people over there forced to go back to work despite the virus?
Maybe a combination of both? They have far less of a reason to lie about people going to work months later than burning bodies around the clock and underreporting deaths.

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Post#1271 » by Catchall » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:53 pm

Richfield wrote:GOP plan of last few months

-discourage panic while they panic sell their stocks off in private

-kill off poor people by allowing the ones who can't work from home to keep going to work making them at higher risk of contraction

-blame it on Chinese while they enrich themselves, pretend there was nothing they could have done

-delay testing so that people in big cities, non-red voting places, would die at the highest rates (live closest together). People be a are that not enough tests affects big cities hardest

-call it a 'war' eventually, knowing wartime presidents are usually re-elected, "could last 18 months (on purpose)", right through the election.
They knew this was coming, Wilbur Ross knew some people could get rich, and others would lose out. The delay was intentional.

And when we said he's Hitler people laughed it off. When they killed off some of the Mexicans at the boarder, that wasn't enough for you. Now they're doing this sneak genocide while enriching themselves. You're still gonna vote for Hitler?

Whether this thing started in China might still be up for debate. At this point I'm beginning to trust their govt more than my own. All the evidence is on the table, including throughout these threads on the topic.

This is not what your ancestors fought for.


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Post#1272 » by Topofthekey » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:54 pm

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
Topofthekey wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
China undoubtedly lied their asses off.

Are they lying about people going back to work as well?
I'm not sure how that is related.

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Also, you may or may not be interested in this:

How a Chinese city of 8.5 million went from 93 cases to zero cases, with no new cases reported for 23 consecutive days (or as some people would undoubtly call it, Chinese propaganda)

https://youtu.be/YfsdJGj3-jM

The point is, the virus can be beat, and it's not even that difficult to do it

All it takes is decisive action and collective effort
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Post#1273 » by bwgood77 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:54 pm

thelead wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
LKN wrote:
I can tell you that there are many places where this is not being taken seriously. I live in the Charlotte suburbs and had to go out today. It was basically business as usual at many, many places.

It's going to take stacks of bodies on TV before people really understand what is happening


Yeah, when I have to go out I'm surprised how many cars I see on the road. And still pretty surprised how packed all the grocery stores are.


I'm 100% for isolation but people do need food to survive as well. With people not going to restaurants, of course grocery stores will see an uptick in traffic.


Oh, I know. I just figured everyone stocked up and the crowds would have died down by now. But yeah, besides the stockpiling, more people eating at home will definitely probably keep them selling more than usual. I just kind of expect to see fewer people every time I go somewhere...somewhere being the store or work.
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Post#1274 » by Metallikid » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:55 pm

basketballRob wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
Metallikid wrote:
If you have any Vitamin C/D/Zinc but C especially I would be taking large doses as it helps the immune system generally.
Already taking them all. Sadly vitamin C supplement is too low at RDA level. I may need a 1000 MG Vitamin C. Already taking Vitamin D 1000 IU and Zinc I think about 50 or 75.

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I take 2-4000 iu of d but i also take k2 so it won't calcify.

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**** should I be taking Potassium as well? I haven't heard about that.
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Post#1275 » by OkcSinceSGA » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:56 pm

Topofthekey wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
Topofthekey wrote:Are they lying about people going back to work as well?
I'm not sure how that is related.

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Also, you may or may not be interested in this:

How a Chinese city of 8.5 million went from 93 cases to zero cases, with no new cases reported for 23 consecutive days (or as some people would undoubtly call it, Chinese propaganda)

https://youtu.be/YfsdJGj3-jM

The point is, the virus can be beat, and it's not even that difficult to do it

All it takes is decisive action and collective effort
Not mutually exclusive. China did a good job shutting things down, after the initial lies and cover up. A government like China has a much easier time forcing it's people to do what they want than say America. That being said, there is no doubt they lie about the body count. As I said, citizens+journalists posted undercover interviews, reports of this and were immediately silenced.

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Post#1276 » by basketballRob » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:58 pm

Metallikid wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:Already taking them all. Sadly vitamin C supplement is too low at RDA level. I may need a 1000 MG Vitamin C. Already taking Vitamin D 1000 IU and Zinc I think about 50 or 75.

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I take 2-4000 iu of d but i also take k2 so it won't calcify.

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**** should I be taking Potassium as well? I haven't heard about that.
No

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Post#1277 » by Richfield » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:59 pm

Topofthekey wrote:All it takes is decisive action and collective effort


Your elected officials are doing the exact opposite of that, on purpose, to enrich their own fortunes.

lol @ "all it takes".
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Post#1278 » by Catchall » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:01 am

Topofthekey wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
Topofthekey wrote:Are they lying about people going back to work as well?
I'm not sure how that is related.

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China is reporting much fewer cases, and people are starting to go back to work

According to you, they are lying their asses off about their numbers

So are they also lying about people going back to work?

Or are people over there forced to go back to work despite the virus?


Yes, China is reporting fewer cases. The actual number of cases and deaths in China became classified information in early February. Most cases in China are now no longer reported at all. As many as 5 million people are believed to be missing in Wuhan. Some fled the area, while many didn't.

Yes, they are lying their asses off about the numbers and have been since the start. The numbers reported are a fraction of the reality when compared with the spike in cremations in Hubei province and calls to collect bodies from people's homes.

And yes, some people are forced to go back to work despite the risk of contracting the virus. The government doesn't want their economy to entirely collapse. They'd gladly sacrifice thousands of people's lives to keep it running.
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Post#1279 » by seanbig » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:07 am

:banghead: everyone that looks healthy - put on a mask or pillowcase or scarf when you go out in the public
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Post#1280 » by flavio_93 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:08 am

Is it just me or does it seem a little selfish of these basketball players going to social media and taking headlines about how they’re infected yet every single one of them is feeling completely fine. Seems like Twitter is more obsessed with Marcus smart having the virus than the hundreds dying day after day.

Also don’t get me started on the celebrities making stupid videos cause we’re all in this together


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