Rookie Play, Highlights & Discussion

[Quentin]

It's coming....

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With Beasley suspended until after the trade deadline and Russell probably out just as long, this is Edwards' time to shine on the perimeter.

21pts, 9reb and 6ast in his last game. If he could just get that good looking shot to fall! He needs more reps in practice.

[Klomp]

Saric and Towns weren't in the same rookie class anyway, so I wonder which debate you're referring to. Saric was wildly inefficient as a rookie anyway.

Haha I'm way off, it was Wiggins and Mirotic

[clyde21]

Can we lock this thread now that we know Lamelo is so much better than everyone else?

umm, Hali says hello, who leads the class in BPM, VORP and Win Shares, and shooting much better than LaMelo on top of it.

This feels like the debate a few years back when people tried to argue Dario Saric deserved the ROY over Karl-Anthony Towns because of his efficiency numbers. (EDIT: Haha I'm way off, it was Wiggins and Mirotic I was talking about)

except it's not just an 'efficiency argument', Hali's averaging 13.2 / 3.6 / 5.4 / 1.4, shooting 50/43/83, and has been a better defender...Hali's got the numbers both raw stats and advanced

to act like this should be Melo's and 'it's not close' like the other poster was insinuating is ludicrous.

[Klomp]

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With Beasley suspended until after the trade deadline and Russell probably out just as long, this is Edwards' time to shine on the perimeter.

And to see the two-man game play out in live action....

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[Big J]

Wiseman looking like that guy, not ROY, but THAT guy.

[dc]

Wiseman looking like that guy, not ROY, but THAT guy.

This year is a talent showcase for Wiseman and that's about it. Right now, for all intents and purposes, he's a net negative on the floor. But he gets a pass for this year because he entered the season not having played an organized game in 13 months and having like 2-3 days of training camp action (and no pre-season) because he got COVID.

He does have massive upside. I don't get the feeling you can build a team around the guy the way you can with Embiid or Jokic, but he's still a huge talent. A guy that big who can run the floor, finish lobs and shoot 3s is going to get every chance in the world to succeed.

Could be really good, but he's a raw big that will probably take at least 3-4 years to really pan out, which doesn't exactly match Steph/Klay/Dray's timeline......if you you know what I mean.

[DroseReturnChi]

Wiseman looking like that guy, not ROY, but THAT guy.

He does have massive upside. I don't get the feeling you can build a team around the guy the way you can with Embiid or Jokic, but he's still a huge talent. A guy that big who can run the floor, finish lobs and shoot 3s is going to get every chance in the world to succeed.

I would be careful with the word massive upside for players with low floor. The word potential makes franchise draft guys in the wrong spot you see Hayes getting picked way ahead of Maledon when I thought the latter had a better floor and good understanding of the game. Wiseman could be the next JJJ but he could also be the next drummond with his boneheaded plays.
Even if he becomes perennial all star decade later, if he cannot perform now, can you really call it was a homerun draft as opposed to a high floor Hali who could help you win a ring?

Lamelo had the same problem except he worked on his issues right away to get rid of the bust potential. Not going to eat crow bc I did say efficiency and defense would decide his ceiling. Solving major red flags within rookie season is extremely rare im quite shocked at his development rate.

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[The_Hater]

How has a Halliburton been flying under thr radar so badly? He might very well be the best rookie this season and the player in the draft. It’s much closer between Melo and Hali then most people give credit here.

Right now,:

Melo, Halliburton, big gap, somebody else

[amcoolio]

LaMelo puts up a 22/7/6 statline and its the new normal and nobody cares anymore

He desperately needs a big man that can catch a pass. It would unlock so much more of his game

[HayKee]

LaMelo puts up a 22/7/6 statline and its the new normal and nobody cares anymore

He desperately needs a big man that can catch a pass. It would unlock so much more of his game

I wonder if Charlotte could be a John Collins suitor. Might make sense to just wait for his restricted free agency, though.

[blueNorange]

How has a Halliburton been flying under thr radar so badly? He might very well be the best rookie this season and the player in the draft. It’s much closer between Melo and Hali then most people give credit here.

Right now,:

Melo, Halliburton, big gap, somebody else

iq has more 25+ point games and you still wrote "big gap, somebody else"?

lol

[The_Hater]

How has a Halliburton been flying under thr radar so badly? He might very well be the best rookie this season and the player in the draft. It’s much closer between Melo and Hali then most people give credit here.

Right now,:

Melo, Halliburton, big gap, somebody else

iq has more 25+ point games and you still wrote "big gap, somebody else"?

lol

Don’t be a doofus

[blueNorange]

How has a Halliburton been flying under thr radar so badly? He might very well be the best rookie this season and the player in the draft. It’s much closer between Melo and Hali then most people give credit here.

Right now,:

Melo, Halliburton, big gap, somebody else

iq has more 25+ point games and you still wrote "big gap, somebody else"?

lol

Don’t be a doofus

don't deflect.

[Trey24]

If the Hornets had a 5 that can consistently make at the rim (think a Pau type, keeps ball above his head, doesn't shrink down at the basket, CAN CATCH, etc) Lamelo would be averaging at least 4 more assists per game.

At the end of the day, a reliable big man that can guard, rebound, and catch is what will turn Charlotte from a first round out to a playoff problem!

Lamelo has been incredible. Hali is definitely not out of the race yet, but seems the media has already given it to Lamelo. Hali has been impressive, but I'm not really sure if he is a high floor not as high ceiling guy or a #2 option with lead ballhandling duties.

[Klomp]

How has a Halliburton been flying under thr radar so badly? He might very well be the best rookie this season and the player in the draft. It’s much closer between Melo and Hali then most people give credit here.

Just remember, Damon Stoudamire won in ROY in 1995-96 (Garnett), Emeka Okafor won in 2004-05 (Howard), Tyreke Evans won in 2009-10 (Curry), Michael Carter-Williams won in 2013-14 (Antetokounmpo), Andrew Wiggins won in 2014-15 (Jokic, Embiid, LaVine). ROY isn't a career indicator or indictment.

[clyde21]

Wiseman looking like that guy, not ROY, but THAT guy.

which guy?

[The_Hater]

How has a Halliburton been flying under thr radar so badly? He might very well be the best rookie this season and the player in the draft. It’s much closer between Melo and Hali then most people give credit here.

Just remember, Damon Stoudamire won in ROY in 1995-96 (Garnett), Emeka Okafor won in 2004-05 (Howard), Tyreke Evans won in 2009-10 (Curry), Michael Carter-Williams won in 2013-14 (Antetokounmpo), Andrew Wiggins won in 2014-15 (Jokic, Embiid, LaVine). ROY isn't a career indicator or indictment.

Where did I say it was?

[Klomp]

How has a Halliburton been flying under thr radar so badly? He might very well be the best rookie this season and the player in the draft. It’s much closer between Melo and Hali then most people give credit here.

Just remember, Damon Stoudamire won in ROY in 1995-96 (Garnett), Emeka Okafor won in 2004-05 (Howard), Tyreke Evans won in 2009-10 (Curry), Michael Carter-Williams won in 2013-14 (Antetokounmpo), Andrew Wiggins won in 2014-15 (Jokic, Embiid, LaVine). ROY isn't a career indicator or indictment.

Where did I say it was?

I didn't say you did, just was using your point about maybe being the best player in the class yet flying under the radar as a jumping off point.