FIBA World Cup 2023 part 2 SEMIS (USA vs GERMANY : SERBIA vs CANADA) poll added

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new WORLD CHAMPIONS will be?

Poll ended at Mon Sep 11, 2023 2:22 pm

USA
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43%
Germany
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6%
Canada
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Serbia
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9%
 
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Post#1261 » by Quentin » Sat Sep 2, 2023 3:19 pm

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levon wrote:It's going to be interesting to see Steve Kerr's career after Steph and Draymond.

In other news, every time Ant gets the ball my mind is already blacking out until the next play. This guy is straight up never passing. He has the athleticism and talent of all-time greats but so far hasn't shown the IQ or complete understanding of the game.

I don’t blame him for how aggressive he is, coaches basically gave him the green light, but man it’s like he doesn’t even look for the open man once he’s decided he’s going to iso. Lots of kick outs and passes that seems he never even looked.


I know you're probably trolling but Ant had some tremendous passes in the first half of the last game and his teammates missed the shots, you know it. Those passes to JJJ were lit. He absolutely passes the ball and looks for his teammates, just not when they're standing around. I'll bet his teammates don't think he's a ball hog, just you haters.

Ant's averaging about 3 assists per game (Brunson 3). For a SG who's being asked to score that's pretty darn good. Stop with the hate haters.
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Post#1262 » by durden_tyler » Sat Sep 2, 2023 3:22 pm

Quentin wrote:
dockingsched wrote:
levon wrote:It's going to be interesting to see Steve Kerr's career after Steph and Draymond.

In other news, every time Ant gets the ball my mind is already blacking out until the next play. This guy is straight up never passing. He has the athleticism and talent of all-time greats but so far hasn't shown the IQ or complete understanding of the game.

I don’t blame him for how aggressive he is, coaches basically gave him the green light, but man it’s like he doesn’t even look for the open man once he’s decided he’s going to iso. Lots of kick outs and passes that seems he never even looked.


I know you're probably trolling but Ant had some tremendous passes in the first half of the last game and his teammates missed the shots, you know it. Those passes to JJJ were lit. He absolutely passes the ball and looks for his teammates, just not when they're standing around. I'll bet his teammates don't think he's a ball hog, just you haters.

Ant's averaging about 3 assists per game (Brunson 3). For a SG who's being asked to score that's pretty darn good. Stop with the hate haters.

They are confusing aggression with being selfish. At some point, as Americans have the big advantage skill wise anyway, you have to be aggressive and thus, selfish and that’s what Ant is doing. He’s the best player in this squad and that will be crucial when they face the stronger teams.
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Post#1263 » by Ckay » Sat Sep 2, 2023 3:23 pm

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durden_tyler wrote:Clarkson destroying China. Haha. 1 win this tournament but this feels like a championship for us since they are stealing the West Philippine Sea islands LOL



That win will book you a ticket to the Olympic Qualifiying Tournaments next June. So it was not for nothing. 8-)

Not that you have the slightest of chances there, but still. Another tournament to get some experience from.

Personally i wanted a loss so our coach is insta-fired. But it was against China, our primary rivals this region. So yeah something to play in is nice, but as always this is participation trophy for Asian teams so not expecting much, you’re correct.

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Post#1264 » by durden_tyler » Sat Sep 2, 2023 3:24 pm

Ckay wrote:
durden_tyler wrote:
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That win will book you a ticket to the Olympic Qualifiying Tournaments next June. So it was not for nothing. 8-)

Not that you have the slightest of chances there, but still. Another tournament to get some experience from.

Personally i wanted a loss so our coach is insta-fired. But it was against China, our primary rivals this region. So yeah something to play in is nice, but as always this is participation trophy for Asian teams so not expecting much, you’re correct.

Choke Reyes will never get fired.

He just resigned. So win-win for Philippines today.
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Post#1265 » by Ckay » Sat Sep 2, 2023 3:26 pm

durden_tyler wrote:
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durden_tyler wrote:Personally i wanted a loss so our coach is insta-fired. But it was against China, our primary rivals this region. So yeah something to play in is nice, but as always this is participation trophy for Asian teams so not expecting much, you’re correct.

Choke Reyes will never get fired.

He just resigned. So win-win for Philippines today.

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Post#1266 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sat Sep 2, 2023 3:52 pm

If I were Jalen Green I'd probably play for the Philippines, I feel like Jordan Clarkson is gonna end up with statues in Manilla by the time his international career is done.
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Post#1267 » by durden_tyler » Sat Sep 2, 2023 3:54 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:If I were Jalen Green I'd probably play for the Philippines, I feel like Jordan Clarkson is gonna end up with statues in Manilla by the time his international career is done.

This is my hope too. Enough US disinterest in him should do the trick.

Now, we’ll have two chuckers. We’ll probably lose games, but it’s going to be fun
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Post#1268 » by DaGawd » Sat Sep 2, 2023 4:00 pm

Quentin wrote:
dockingsched wrote:
levon wrote:It's going to be interesting to see Steve Kerr's career after Steph and Draymond.

In other news, every time Ant gets the ball my mind is already blacking out until the next play. This guy is straight up never passing. He has the athleticism and talent of all-time greats but so far hasn't shown the IQ or complete understanding of the game.

I don’t blame him for how aggressive he is, coaches basically gave him the green light, but man it’s like he doesn’t even look for the open man once he’s decided he’s going to iso. Lots of kick outs and passes that seems he never even looked.


I know you're probably trolling but Ant had some tremendous passes in the first half of the last game and his teammates missed the shots, you know it. Those passes to JJJ were lit. He absolutely passes the ball and looks for his teammates, just not when they're standing around. I'll bet his teammates don't think he's a ball hog, just you haters.

Ant's averaging about 3 assists per game (Brunson 3). For a SG who's being asked to score that's pretty darn good. Stop with the hate haters.

he’ll be on a new team in a few years.. you can stop protecting him :lol:
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Post#1269 » by Pachinko_ » Sat Sep 2, 2023 6:42 pm

So I'm in Greece at the moment, we have plans tomorrow to go to one of the most beautiful beaches in the world, and all I can think of is how am I gonna watch the games lol
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Post#1270 » by Buckets22 » Sat Sep 2, 2023 7:08 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:So I'm in Greece at the moment, we have plans tomorrow to go to one of the most beautiful beaches in the world, and all I can think of is how am I gonna watch the games lol

Skip the beach! I decided to have a life today and missed Philippines vs China :banghead:
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Post#1271 » by durden_tyler » Sat Sep 2, 2023 7:18 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:So I'm in Greece at the moment, we have plans tomorrow to go to one of the most beautiful beaches in the world, and all I can think of is how am I gonna watch the games lol

Weirdly, you’re 2.5 dogs vs Montenegro. This sets you up for a hearbreak. So just enjoy the beach since i feel you won’t enjoy the result.
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Post#1272 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Sep 2, 2023 7:54 pm

RSP83 wrote:
Muizha wrote:Spain shooting 22% from 3 in the first half, which is somehow better than what Latvia is shooting from the three


Lull looks really old out there. Seeing him trying to guard Zagars is hillarious.


Llull is the one of the oldest looking 35 year old guards I've ever seen. He moves like he's 45 to 50....

Phreak50 wrote:Ok so the commentator is Jeff Taylor of ESPN.

Claims to have been commentating basketball since 97.

Doesn’t know the rules.

Reeves missed a three last game then a layup and after the layup said ‘that’s his first miss all game’

Called JJJ ‘Jermaine Jackson’ in the first game.

Today he called JJJ ‘Williams’. Twice!

How does someone so incompetent get paid to do this job?


He's been covering EuroLeague games for years and years, and this pretty normal. I don't know if it's a schtick or what, but yeah.

Johnny Tomala wrote:https://basketnews.com/news-194061-klay-thompson-how-could-he-join-bahamas-after-team-usa-stint.html I hope FIBA won't allow it.


FIBA is getting completely ridiculous if they allow that.
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Post#1273 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Sep 2, 2023 7:55 pm

UcanUwill wrote:Lithuania absolutely dominated, but two really weird calls against Larentzakis. F U REFEREE chant kind off worked? But have you seen that Larentzakis double split, my god that mans a quality, if he was a bit more explosive, he could be Franz Wagner no kidding.


For me, Larentzakis has always been a very good player. I used to have arguments with poster Greek here all the time about him. He kept saying he was a nothing player, and I kept telling him, no, he's a really good player, just wait. Even from the youth tournaments, he was a reallu good player.

And he was really very good in FIBA BCL with AEK. So he's been very good for a long time. The hilarious thing is that Bartzokas thinks Isaiah Canaan and Tyler Dorsey are better than Larentzakis, which is absolutely absurd. He's a much better player than either of them, especially Dorsey. But Barztokas always played those guys over him, probably just because they had been NBA rotation players.

Anyway though, comparing him to Wagner, if he was bit more explosive......no. Larentzakis is a very good player, but you have to understand he's playing on a Greek team without all scorers. Like how you were saying with RHJ. He's a very good player, but I've watched him for years with Olympiacos in EuroLeague, and while Bartzokas is a moron for using Canaan and Dorsey over him, still, Larentzakis is no star for EuroLeague or anything.

He's a really good championship caliber role player as they say. But his scoring ability is exaggerated in a tournament like this, because he's the only good scorer Greece has on the team, and also I think because the other teams don't really know who he is. It looked like Lithuania was already focusing on him more.

Larentzakis is very inconsistent in his performances, especially with his scoring. So he will have 2-3 big games, then he will do almost nothing for a long time. If you just looked at the stats, to make a similar comparison for Greek NT, you might think he's like possibly Nikos Zisis level in scoring, with worse play making and passing, but he's not. Because Zisis was super consistent, and teams paid attention to him.

Larentzakis is better though than how he gets treated by Bartzokas in Olympiacos. Not a EuroLeague star, but way hell of a lot better than freaking Tyler Dorsey and Canaan, that were played over him. And he's also better than Nick Calathes, that kept bricking all those years with Greece, and yet somehow still kept getting selected by the genius coaches. Probably also because he was an NBA rotation player. It just shows the level of brain power that some of these supposed genius coaches actually have.
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Post#1274 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Sep 2, 2023 8:03 pm

lambchop wrote:I said earlier in the tournament that he would definitely have been a 3rd string PG in the NBA years ago. Right now I see issues with his size due to all the switching. Apart from that he surely has NBA backup level handle and is easily the fastest PG in Europe.


I don't know about that. He signed to play in EuroLeague. Just comparing him with other EuroLeague point guards, I don't think he's as fast as Baldwin for example.

UcanUwill wrote:I dont think he looks quicker, he is not really slow, its only his handle thats not tight, I mean he is good at protecting the ball under pressure, but low dribble it is not. I am just surprised by his continiously growing basketball IQ on offense, he is just good PG, I never really fear when ball is in his hands anymore. But I did notice a lot of mental defensive errors, he loses or misses a box out his off ball guys quite often I would say.

He is still very young, one poster here said it is sadly probably his final form already, but I dont think that at all, if he stays in Europe, why couldn't he become next Micic, MVP caliber player, he is 22, big and smart PG with shooting and finishing ability, why couldnt he be MVP caliber EUroleaguer? And if somehow he makes the jump and somehow sticks around in the NBA< he could turn into someone even better, why not? I like him a lot.


I don't really the like the age comparisons, but if we compared him to past EuroLeague MVPs at age 22, and just count lead guards, to make it a similar comparison position wise:

better than Papaloukas, Diamantidis, Micic (due to injuries in Micic's case) at age 22

not as good as Navarro, Teodosic, Spanoulis, Rodriguez, De Colo, Llull, Doncic at age 22.

Every player is obviously different though for the age wise comparisons. For example, some players are late bloomers, like Papaloukas and Diamantidis were. But yeah, he is better than some of the lead guards that won EuroLeague MVP were at age 22, but they were either late bloomers, (Papaloukas / Diamantidis), or having serious injury problems early in their career (Micic).

Capn'O wrote:He's not coming without some sort of guarantee of playing time. He's making millions and has a prominent role in Europe. Plus, the Knicks already have IQ for that role.


Not really. At least not so far.
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Post#1275 » by Papi_swav » Sun Sep 3, 2023 12:19 am

JJ_PR wrote:Tremont Waters is definitely NBA worthy. He had 37 points today to beat the Dominican Republic, who got 39 points from Karl Anthony-Towns. George Conditt has been great for us as well, could be a serviceable back-up in the NBA himself.

This isn't even our primary roster. We're missing a bunch of players like Jonathan Isaac, Alvarado, Napier & Harkless, to name a few. I'm really proud of how we've performed thus far.

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Post#1276 » by JJ_PR » Sun Sep 3, 2023 1:35 am

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JJ_PR wrote:Tremont Waters is definitely NBA worthy. He had 37 points today to beat the Dominican Republic, who got 39 points from Karl Anthony-Towns. George Conditt has been great for us as well, could be a serviceable back-up in the NBA himself.

This isn't even our primary roster. We're missing a bunch of players like Jonathan Isaac, Alvarado, Napier & Harkless, to name a few. I'm really proud of how we've performed thus far.

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I didn't know Isaac was Puerto Rican either, found out a few days ago. He could be a difference maker when healthy.

Edit: He has Puerto Rican roots. That's why he's eligible to represent us.
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Post#1277 » by Dacost » Sun Sep 3, 2023 1:48 am

Papi_swav wrote:
JJ_PR wrote:Tremont Waters is definitely NBA worthy. He had 37 points today to beat the Dominican Republic, who got 39 points from Karl Anthony-Towns. George Conditt has been great for us as well, could be a serviceable back-up in the NBA himself.

This isn't even our primary roster. We're missing a bunch of players like Jonathan Isaac, Alvarado, Napier & Harkless, to name a few. I'm really proud of how we've performed thus far.

A Puerto Rico whaaaaaaatttt !!! A Puerto Rico whaaaaaatttt !!!! I had no idea Isaac was rican

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Post#1278 » by durden_tyler » Sun Sep 3, 2023 2:27 am

Last game of 2nd Round Odds:

Australia -13.5 vs Georgia
Italy -8.5 vs Puerto Rico
Greece +2.5 vs Montenegro
Brazil -2.5 vs Latvia
Germany -5.5 vs Slovenia
Dominican Republic +9.5 vs Serbia
USA -14.5 vs Lithuania
Spain +6.5 vs Canada

Liking the ‘dogs in the “non bearing” games (Georgia) though am not sure with Slovenia, they could be preparing to travel to Manila already but wants to avoid #2 in the group since that’s a semis matchup with the US?

The big ones of course are the virtual KO games of:

DOM-SER
ITA-PUR
SPA-CAN
BRA-LAT

Poor KAT will get bullied by the Serbian bigs i think, and that line is just too big i think Serbia covers. Italy is off a stirring comeback so i think they just have enough rhythm to get (maybe cover) this one.

Then i think Canada bounces back and manhandles Spain. Latvia is inspired too so i am going with them.

So after today, the theoretical QF pairings;

Italy vs Lithuania
Serbia vs USA
Slovenia vs Latvia
Canada vs Germany

SF
Lithuania vs Slovenia
USA vs Canada

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USA vs Slovenia

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Post#1279 » by Johnny Tomala » Sun Sep 3, 2023 6:29 am

I have Serbia, Italy, Canada and Brazil winning tonight.
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Post#1280 » by the_other_guy » Sun Sep 3, 2023 7:24 am

juanc wrote:
the_other_guy wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
Same in group I.
We, practically have 4 single elimination games on Sunday :

Canada vs Spain
Latvia vs Brazil
Serbia vs Dominican Republic
Italy vs Puerto Rico

4 Euros potentially dropping out like that. Or maybe Canada dropping out.


Only not sure about Latvia, even though they surprised many, but they can choke important matches.
For the rest I would consider European countries as favourites.
Tomorrow is awesome day for basketball and most important I can relax watching Lithuania for once.

What are the possible outcomes in those groups? What is the main tiebreaker?


It's simple, whoever wins advances to 1/4.
Just the seedings where its getting complicated.

If Italy and Serbia wins, Italy is 1st and Serbia 2nd, If Italy and Dominican R. wins, then Dom 1st Italy 2nd. If PR and Serbia wins, so Serbia 1st. Complete mess.
And you want to finish 1st to avoid US in 1/4 (assuming they beat Lithuania).

I think it is similar mess in the other group.

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