2016-17 Rookie Watch thread

[BucksPackers]

C'mon man. You're going to get crucified for this.

One game, lock him in? No chance.

It's his whole season of stats plus this one game. I am saying does after this game lock him in as ROY. Not just that he had one good game, he has played well all year.

Brogdon has been in the ROY race all year. Does this game solidify he is ROY?

[baldur]

If the team success and draft spot matter, he is by far.

[Gary Cokeman]

I still think Embiid should win it.

[BucksPackers]

I still think Embiid should win it.

That is tough. I think he runs away with it obviously if he is still playing. But only 30 something games played shouldn't make you rookie of the year.

[RaptorRed]

C'mon man. You're going to get crucified for this.

One game, lock him in? No chance.

It's his whole season of stats plus this one game. I am saying does after this game lock him in as ROY. Not just that he had one good game, he has played well all year.

Brogdon has been in the ROY race all year. Does this game solidify he is ROY?

At this point I think it's obvious no one will be locked in to win it , either Saric or Brogdon will win it by default and will probably have one the worst stats to ever win the award. It's not much of an accomplishment given the candidates

[thegreenlife]

I still think Embiid should win it.

If Embiid were still healthy and played at least 50% of the season, then yes. But otherwise, I think Saric should win ROY, with Brogdon as runner up

[BucksPackers]

C'mon man. You're going to get crucified for this.

One game, lock him in? No chance.

It's his whole season of stats plus this one game. I am saying does after this game lock him in as ROY. Not just that he had one good game, he has played well all year.

Brogdon has been in the ROY race all year. Does this game solidify he is ROY?

At this point I think it's obvious no one will be locked in to win it , either Saric or Brogdon will win it by default and will probably have one the worst stats to ever win the award. It's not much of an accomplishment given the candidates

Well I can't talk for Saric. But for a second round pick doing what he is doing. Helping the bucks make the playoffs is a rare find. I think Brogdon deserves some credit for what he is doing. But yes this is nowhere near what usual rookie of the years stats look like. But if I can get second round picks doing what he is doing I would love that all day every day.

[Yuri Vaultin]

I still think Embiid should win it.

If Embiid were still healthy and played at least 50% of the season, then yes. But otherwise, I think Saric should win ROY, with Brogdon as runner up

May as well throw Chriss in to the mix also.

[Gary Cokeman]

I still think Embiid should win it.

That is tough. I think he runs away with it obviously if he is still playing. But only 30 something games played shouldn't make you rookie of the year.

Yeah, it's not an easy decision to make but I was more impressed with Embiid's 30 something games where he looked like a lock to be a franchise player and was taking over games playing for one of the worst teams in the NBA than I am with Brogdon and Saric's role player stat lines, even though its over an entire season.

[heatwillbeback]

It's probably Saric but good for Brogdon being one of the major contenders as a second round pick.

[Frank Dux]

This has to be one of the saddest ROY races of all time.

[The-Power]

It's either him, Saric or Embiid with Hernangomez being a notable mention. Personally, I would give it to Brogdon. The way he has performed from day one and even improved as the season went on while playing starting PG for a playoff team is pretty impressive.

Among the five players who played the most minutes (Giannis, Snell, Brogdon, Dellavedova and Parker) he also has the highest on-court and on/off net rating which is pretty rare for a Rookie on a solid team. The rookies have largely disappointed but Brogdon has been a very good Rookie independent of his peer competition.

[mitrandil20]

Co-Rookies of the Year?

[CoreyGallagher]

If the team success and draft spot matter, he is by far.

It never has mattered, assuming that it doesn't begin mattering this season. If Brogdon wins it then it's likely because of his steady production.

[bwgood77]

Originally I was thinking Saric, but looking at this list here and the numbers, Brogdon's FG%, 3pt FG%, AST, STL, and being just behind in points makes it tough not to lean towards him, just with a quick glance at numbers. 46/41/86 splits is impressive in relation to Saric's 41/32/79. Of course Saric's got him in rebounding though, and slighly in ppg.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/stats?rookies=

I haven't watched either enough to know their entire impact defensively etc, though, and of course these are just raw #s and I haven't looked at any advanced data.

It's really too bad Embiid didn't play the whole season, because he probably would have been one of the better rookies in quite some time. Once that team comes together, and if Simmons lives up to the hype, they will be interesting, particularly after likely adding a guard or two at the top of the draft.

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[skones]

Originally I was thinking Saric, but looking at this list here and the numbers, Brogdon's FG%, 3pt FG%, AST, STL, and being just behind in points makes it tough not to lean towards him, just with a quick glance at numbers. 46/41/86 splits is impressive in relation to Saric's 41/32/79. Of course Saric's got him in rebounding though, and slighly in ppg.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/stats?rookies=

I haven't watched either enough to know their entire impact defensively etc, though, and of course these are just raw #s and I haven't looked at any advanced data.

It's really too bad Embiid didn't play the whole season, because he probably would have been one of the better rookies in quite some time. Once that team comes together, and if Simmons lives up to the hype, they will be interesting, particularly after likely adding a guard or two at the top of the draft.

The advanced statistics heavily lean towards Brogdon.

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[Sir Psycho Sexy]

Originally I was thinking Saric, but looking at this list here and the numbers, Brogdon's FG%, 3pt FG%, AST, STL, and being just behind in points makes it tough not to lean towards him, just with a quick glance at numbers. 46/41/86 splits is impressive in relation to Saric's 41/32/79. Of course Saric's got him in rebounding though, and slighly in ppg.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/stats?rookies=

I haven't watched either enough to know their entire impact defensively etc, though, and of course these are just raw #s and I haven't looked at any advanced data.

It's really too bad Embiid didn't play the whole season, because he probably would have been one of the better rookies in quite some time. Once that team comes together, and if Simmons lives up to the hype, they will be interesting, particularly after likely adding a guard or two at the top of the draft.

Saric had an awful start of the season. I guess adjustment time to the league but he is much much better in the last few months. Both are good on the defense but Saric is supposed to do more work than Brogdon. Basically the same as the offense, Saric has to carry his team. He has usage rate of 24% while Brogdon has 18% and that's huge difference.

I would give the award to Saric because he simply did more and he is keeping 76ers alive and I don't think that Brogdon could do that this year

[karkinos]

saric will win

[skones]

Originally I was thinking Saric, but looking at this list here and the numbers, Brogdon's FG%, 3pt FG%, AST, STL, and being just behind in points makes it tough not to lean towards him, just with a quick glance at numbers. 46/41/86 splits is impressive in relation to Saric's 41/32/79. Of course Saric's got him in rebounding though, and slighly in ppg.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/stats?rookies=

I haven't watched either enough to know their entire impact defensively etc, though, and of course these are just raw #s and I haven't looked at any advanced data.

It's really too bad Embiid didn't play the whole season, because he probably would have been one of the better rookies in quite some time. Once that team comes together, and if Simmons lives up to the hype, they will be interesting, particularly after likely adding a guard or two at the top of the draft.

Saric had an awful start of the season. I guess adjustment time to the league but he is much much better in the last few months. Both are good on the defense but Saric is supposed to do more work than Brogdon. Basically the same as the offense, Saric has to carry his team. He has usage rate of 24% while Brogdon has 18% and that's huge difference.

I would give the award to Saric because he simply did more and he is keeping 76ers alive and I don't think that Brogdon could do that this year

This "keeping the 76ers alive" narrative needs to stop. If we just throw out the first 56 games of the season (of which there's not reason to) and look at the post all-star break record, it's 7-12. That's good enough to be the 5th worst team in the entire league on win pace.

If anything, the 24% vs the 18% usage differential shouldn't be a positive on Saric given Saric's overall boxscore production on the season. A full 33% advantage in usage rate and we're talking a difference of one bucket in the scoring column on worse efficiency?