Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[DirtyDez]

Kyrie to Suns is almost done...Josh Jackson, Bledsoe, and either first/second round pick will be sent...just watch

Windhorst that you?

[Mulhollanddrive]

Whose team is willing to even outbid: Bledsoe, Warren, Miami.

[BasketballFan7]

Well, the Cavs will definitely be more athletic and long if this goes down, as compared to last year.

Eric Bledsoe
Derrick Rose
Josh Jackson
Jeff Green
Cedi Osman
Jose Calderon

Kyrie Irving
Iman Shumpert
Deron Williams
Mike Dunleavy
Chris Anderson
James Jones
Richard Jefferson (well, his minutes should be gone)

Maybe they will bring back Bogut, too.

[RCM88x]

Well, the Cavs will definitely be more athletic and long if this goes down, as compared to last year.

Eric Bledsoe
Derrick Rose
Josh Jackson
Jeff Green
Cedi Osman
Jose Calderon

Kyrie Irving
Iman Shumpert
Deron Williams
Mike Dunleavy
Chris Anderson
James Jones
Richard Jefferson (well, his minutes should be gone)

Maybe they will bring back Bogut, too.

If they can pull off the Bledsoe/Jackson trade it will certainly improve the team IMO and make the team better than it was last year or even going into '16. However people will still claim the Cavs off-season a massive failure because an All-NBA player wasn't added out right. But hey, they needed more length and defense, and that's exactly what they got.

[BasketballFan7]

Well, the Cavs will definitely be more athletic and long if this goes down, as compared to last year.

Eric Bledsoe
Derrick Rose
Josh Jackson
Jeff Green
Cedi Osman
Jose Calderon

Kyrie Irving
Iman Shumpert
Deron Williams
Mike Dunleavy
Chris Anderson
James Jones
Richard Jefferson (well, his minutes should be gone)

Maybe they will bring back Bogut, too.

If they can pull off the Bledsoe/Jackson trade it will certainly improve the team IMO and make the team better than it was last year or even going into '16. However people will still claim the Cavs off-season a massive failure because an All-NBA player wasn't added out right. But hey, they needed more length and defense, and that's exactly what they got.

Do you think Bledsoe and Rose will be able to share the court together effectively? Bledsoe has shown that he can play alongside another PG, but that makes for some shoddy spacing.

[Baseline Runner]

Well, the Cavs will definitely be more athletic and long if this goes down, as compared to last year.

Eric Bledsoe
Derrick Rose
Josh Jackson
Jeff Green
Cedi Osman
Jose Calderon

Kyrie Irving
Iman Shumpert
Deron Williams
Mike Dunleavy
Chris Anderson
James Jones
Richard Jefferson (well, his minutes should be gone)

Maybe they will bring back Bogut, too.

If they can pull off the Bledsoe/Jackson trade it will certainly improve the team IMO and make the team better than it was last year or even going into '16. However people will still claim the Cavs off-season a massive failure because an All-NBA player wasn't added out right. But hey, they needed more length and defense, and that's exactly what they got.

I really don't know how you can say that as Jackson is an unknown rookie and Bledsoe is far below Irving. I know you are a huge Lebron fan but Irving is a fantastic player and had a lot to do with our championship and success. If this is the best deal out there for us then we have to do it, but don't kid yourself we are getting better unless Jackson ends up being a rookie prodigy.

[mplsfonz23]

Well, the Cavs will definitely be more athletic and long if this goes down, as compared to last year.

Eric Bledsoe
Derrick Rose
Josh Jackson
Jeff Green
Cedi Osman
Jose Calderon

Kyrie Irving
Iman Shumpert
Deron Williams
Mike Dunleavy
Chris Anderson
James Jones
Richard Jefferson (well, his minutes should be gone)

Maybe they will bring back Bogut, too.

If they can pull off the Bledsoe/Jackson trade it will certainly improve the team IMO and make the team better than it was last year or even going into '16. However people will still claim the Cavs off-season a massive failure because an All-NBA player wasn't added out right. But hey, they needed more length and defense, and that's exactly what they got.

I didn't know it was a done deal.

[Seabass11]

Well, the Cavs will definitely be more athletic and long if this goes down, as compared to last year.

Eric Bledsoe
Derrick Rose
Josh Jackson
Jeff Green
Cedi Osman
Jose Calderon

Kyrie Irving
Iman Shumpert
Deron Williams
Mike Dunleavy
Chris Anderson
James Jones
Richard Jefferson (well, his minutes should be gone)

Maybe they will bring back Bogut, too.

If they can pull off the Bledsoe/Jackson trade it will certainly improve the team IMO and make the team better than it was last year or even going into '16. However people will still claim the Cavs off-season a massive failure because an All-NBA player wasn't added out right. But hey, they needed more length and defense, and that's exactly what they got.

Do you think Bledsoe and Rose will be able to share the court together effectively? Bledsoe has shown that he can play alongside another PG, but that makes for some shoddy spacing.

I think the bigger question mark is can they even see the floor? Very fragile PG rota if this trade goes down. Calderon might be an important pickup

[Benedict_Boozer]

How good is Josh Jackson as a prospect really? That will be the driver.

What is his ceiling? Shawn Marion?

I'd probably do it because of his potential trade value if a more established star became available prior to the deadline, you could combine that with the Miami pick and likely be competitive for those guys. But would be interested in hearing from Suns fans or people that watched him closely what his ceiling really is, didn't watch him much in college.

[JHFVF07]

There's no way I would include Jackson on this package if I was the Suns GM. Kyrie is the best player on the deal, but Phoenix isnt contending in those next years, there's a good chance Irving will leave the team after his 2 years(back to NY?).
Bledsoe+Warren+1st pick(top3 protected), looks fair for a "2 year rental". If this isnt enough for Cleveland, run with your young guys, try your luck on 2018 draft(Porter, Ayton or Bamba would be a great piece to add to their already promissing core). Try to flip Bledsoe for a mid 1st during the season, and they are good.
Cleveland is the one who needs to hurry for a deal, before a toxicity situation becomes nuclear.

[MotownMadness]

When can Rooks be traded again?

[KingDavid]

The Suns are offering Bledsoe, Heat's 1st, AND JOSH JACKSON?! No way is the Suns' GM that stupid. I refuse to believe that rumor.

[afarmenian]

If this happened do people really think the Cavs would keep Jackson? I just can't see that. Seems like they would flip him for another piece.

[RCM88x]

If this happened do people really think the Cavs would keep Jackson? I just can't see that. Seems like they would flip him for another piece.

I doubt they'll trade him, too valuable of an asset to give up if Lebron leaves in '18.

[BasketballFan7]

How good is Josh Jackson as a prospect really? That will be the driver.

What is his ceiling? Shawn Marion?

I'd probably do it because of his potential trade value if a more established star became available prior to the deadline, you could combine that with the Miami pick and likely be competitive for those guys. But would be interested in hearing from Suns fans or people that watched him closely what his ceiling really is, didn't watch him much in college.

He was the semi-consensus number one player in his high school class, so his level of potential is clearly well thought of. Who knows, though? He shot well from 3 in college but free throw percentage seems to be a better indicator of NBA shooting ability, and he was poor from the line. Nasty athlete, fiercely competitive, a bit wild on the court. Good height and decent length. The frame to pack on a lot of muscle. Decent play-maker, good but not great finisher, not particularly fluid, but it's no part of his game is a lost cause or anything. Active, moves well without the ball.

Personally, I think he would benefit greatly by being paired with LeBron, but who knows if LeBron would even pay him the time of day? They are 13 years apart in age and LeBron will likely be retired by the time Jackson peaks. But Jackson has a nice toolbox to contribute early if James wants to help him hone his abilities.

[Seabass11]

Cavs fans need to realize their team doesn't have very much leverage it's obvious after what Irving has done and no team has offered what the Cavilers have asked for. The reason being that they know that Kyrie if he is still their at the beginning of the season will be a cancer . The Suns have the best offer and that doesn't include Josh Jackson and will never include him because you can't guarantee that he will stay with the Suns in two years it's the main reason besides the one I pointed out for why no team will give Cavs what they want. Also since when has any team trading an all star or superstar ever gotten equal value when said team has very little leaverage the answer is never.

Cavs fans think this way because we've been in the same spot the Suns are in before when trying to trade for Love...I remember tons of Cavs fans saying "we have all the leverage, no need to include Wiggins. Dion, Bennett and TT/picks will be enough..." yeah didn't quite work out that way.
Oh and that was for a possible 1 year rental in Love versus 2 year Kyrie...both at the age of 25

Well, the difference is that the Cavs became a contender the second they signed LeBron while the Suns still have a long way to go. With James being already 30 in 2014 Cleveland didn't really have the time to develop a 19yo rookie, they needed win-now players. Phoenix on the other hand is one of the worst teams in the league and nowhere near the playoffs in the West even with Kyrie. All he could do is to get them out of the Ayton, Porter, Bamba mix but I highly doubt he can get them to the postseason. Other than that, with him wanting to be the man he could hinder the development of the younger players. I'm not a Suns fan but I don't like Kyrie in Phoenix at all.

If you want to argue fit, thats fine. I honestly don't know much about PHO and their pieces so I can't argue. But its not like the Cavs are going to lower their asking price from PHO if he doesn't fit or if he isn't going to make them a contender.

All I'm saying is there are reasons why Cavs fans are optimistic that Jackson is involved and it revolves around what we had to give up for Love.

Also the rumor that a trade with PHO will be announced soon, but hasn't yet, has some interesting timing considering Jackson becomes available for trade tomorrow...we'll just have to wait and see

[Stillwater]

one is a proven all star on a great deal for 2 years who can opt out in 2019 and will likely demand a higher salary but would most likely stay with Phoenix with the core they have being complimentary to him even without Jackson on the Roster.
Of course he wouldn't commit to singing an extension now,who would? he would stand to lose a lot of money , and that is huge considering he can never receive the supermax already by demanding a trade from the team that drafted him.
Jackson is unproven as to what he will become in his prime. The projections are good, there is a lot to like, but he is not there and there is no way to place value on an unproven rookie no matter what the ceiling as being higher than a proven player even if the Suns feel he could be elite or Irving might leave.
If The Suns were throwing Booker in the deal then I would say they are stupid, but accepting that trading an unproven high ceiling athlete for a star in his prime is a no brainer.

[BasketballFan7]

If this happened do people really think the Cavs would keep Jackson? I just can't see that. Seems like they would flip him for another piece.

I doubt they'll trade him, too valuable of an asset to give up if Lebron leaves in '18.

I dislike this mentality if this is the way they are thinking. If moving Jackson for a contributor makes LeBron more likely to stay or helps them win a championship, they should do it. Those should be the only two driving forces right now, win a ring and keep LeBron. The future is now. Cleveland can rebuild later. The Cavaliers need to relish the spotlight while they have it.

[phraoh]

I think the Cavs realize they have to prepare for life after Lebron, whether he leaves in free agency or just loses some of his effectiveness due to age. They need younger more athletic dual purpose players with Lebron or without him. Jackson would be a perfect fit. Don't forget Cavs have already added vets for Lebron, as well as Bledsoe if the Phoenix trade comes through. So, its not as if they aren't going all in, just because they add a rookie and a draft pick !! And I think Cavs want to trade Shumpert in this deal, which would allow them to add Dudley (another vet that can shoot).

[Dupp]

So jacksons ft% ain't great. Take away our best ft shooter in the trade and add that to an already bad free throw shooting team. Could be an ugly aspect to things.

If this happened do people really think the Cavs would keep Jackson? I just can't see that. Seems like they would flip him for another piece.

I doubt they'll trade him, too valuable of an asset to give up if Lebron leaves in '18.

I dislike this mentality if this is the way they are thinking. If moving Jackson for a contributor makes LeBron more likely to stay or helps them win a championship, they should do it. Those should be the only two driving forces right now, win a ring and keep LeBron. The future is now. Cleveland can rebuild later. The Cavaliers need to relish the spotlight while they have it.

Couldn't agree more with this line of thinking but I don't believe Gilbert is thinking the same. He wants bums in seats if bron leaves.