2022-23 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.1)

itsxtray · Post #1281 » by **itsxtray** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:57 pm

The Comedian wrote:This doesn’t even take into account that he’s one of the handful of best team/help defenders in the league.

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At the end of the season Tatum will be the last man on the cinder after the celtics torch the league

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Bob8 · Post #1282 » by **Bob8** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:29 pm

bisme37 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
bisme37 wrote:I know people have their own criteria for MVP but my thought process on it is we are talking about the Most Valuable Player. Not "Guy Who Scored a lot of Points Last Night," and not even "Best Player."

I don't know if this is an old school take but the whole point of playing NBA basketball is to win the games. So if Most Valuable Player doesn't refer to "Most Valuable to Winning," I mean, what are we even doing here?

So this is why there are players who are playing very well but are not considered top MVP candidates at this point in the season, which some fans seem to be mad about. You have to win games at a high clip to get in the conversation. It's just the nature of the beast.

Sure, but please explain to me, how is Tatum for some people clear leader for MVP, while Booker was never in serious conversation although Suns were dominating RS? And don't forget that Booker really had CP3, but on the other hand J. Brown is very near to Tatum, so narrative how Tatum alone is the man in Celtics, doesn't exactly seem like the truth.

Simply put, Tatum is playing better than Booker ever has in his career. JT isn't just a top candidate because of best player on best team. He is playing like an MVP.

Aside from saying that, I mean, I considered Book a viable MVP candidate last year. Just not the top MVP candidate. I think he finished #5 in the official voting if I'm not mistaken.

He has played 1/4 of the season better than Booker ever has in his career. It's not exactly sure thing that he will continue the whole season like that. That's why al those saying that it's 2 way race, because Celtics and Bucks will probably have the best record, are just wrong. Tatum can underperform in reminder of the season or someone else can have fantastic finish and Celtics' results won't mean much.

HoopsterJones · Post #1283 » by **HoopsterJones** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:47 am

Stock up: Doncic (Mavs are trash without him)
Stock Down: Tatum

DonaldSanders · Post #1284 » by **DonaldSanders** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:25 am

HoopsterJones wrote:Stock up: Doncic (Mavs are trash without him)
Stock Down: Tatum

Stock up: CURRY!

GiannisAnte34 · Post #1285 » by **GiannisAnte34** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:39 am

The Comedian wrote:This first tweet is for his career, but it’s just absurd.

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lmao like the Celtics are filled with bums? get real.. Tatum has the best running mate of almost anyone in the leauge and the vast majority of MVP candidates by a country mile. add to that he has +iq defenders who can all shoot the 3 incredibly at every position

moderndarwin · Post #1286 » by **moderndarwin** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:44 am

Steph lol lol always love watching him deliver a prime time beat down to these fraudulent candidates. That twinkle toes three to end the first was truly a thing of beauty.

moderndarwin · Post #1287 » by **moderndarwin** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:47 am

Jeff Van Gundy and crew really called out the perfect example of the Steph Curry effect on prime time tv today. Grant Williams guarding him at half court leaving Poole and others free for a wide open dunk in transition. If you’re a NBA level player and you get to go 1:1 against defenses due to the fact that you literally have to stay glued to that man that alone is a game breaker.

BoatsNZones · Post #1288 » by **BoatsNZones** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:00 am

Curry let Tatum know who Pop is tonight, and that’s all there was to it.

Sgt Major · Post #1289 » by **Sgt Major** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:46 am

The MVP is also a very smart mam

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LFAHFN22 · Post #1290 » by **LFAHFN22** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:34 am

In no particular order, it's between Jokic, Curry, and Giannis, with Durant as a dark horse.

Don't care as much for any of the arguments for the others.

ahmetmekin · Post #1291 » by **ahmetmekin** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:40 am

It is pretty incredible that Curry is 12th in nba.com's MVP ladder. I am not entirely sure if it is due to incompetency or for narrative related thing, but I have not seen any other all-time great is disrespected like that.

algope · Post #1292 » by **algope** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 10:22 am

The main problem for Tatum in main eyes is Brown. Tatum is a very good player but the gap between him and Brown is narrower than most would expect for and MVP maybe. I don´t understand how can one of then be MVP and the other not even top 10.

rapstarter · Post #1293 » by **rapstarter** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:24 pm

algope wrote:The main problem for Tatum in main eyes is Brown. Tatum is a very good player but the gap between him and Brown is narrower than most would expect for and MVP maybe. I don´t understand how can one of then be MVP and the other not even top 10.

I think the media has done a good enough job so far pretending Celtics' exceptional supporting cast and especially Brown (who's averaging 27/7/4) don't exist so they can focus on Tatum. Not sure how long it's gonna last but it's been working.

Mick Dundee · Post #1294 » by **Mick Dundee** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:08 pm

I cannot even begin to understand how a player like Steph got ever voted for MVP.

Much less of how he's even in the convo this season.

The guy is a 3-Point Machine, but thats about it.

Once his hands get cold, there is absolutely no additional value he provides.

I would even go so far to say, that he's an obstacle on days when his scope is distorted.

I believe that the 2020/21 Season is a clear testament for that, when he was not able to carry a
depleted bunch of Warriors into the playoffs.

I have nothing against Steph. I believe he is the greatest 3-Point Shewter ever. But he is not MVP Material.

_NoMas · Post #1295 » by **_NoMas** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 4:21 pm

Mick Dundee wrote:I cannot even begin to understand how a player like Steph got ever voted for MVP.

Much less of how he's even in the convo this season.

The guy is a 3-Point Machine, but thats about it.

Once his hands get cold, there is absolutely no additional value he provides.

I would even go so far to say, that he's an obstacle on days when his scope is distorted.

I believe that the 2020/21 Season is a clear testament for that, when he was not able to carry a
depleted bunch of Warriors into the playoffs.

I have nothing against Steph. I believe he is the greatest 3-Point Shewter ever. But he is not MVP Material.

Hmmm… I’m gonna go 2/10. Must do better

Bmaasse · Post #1296 » by **Bmaasse** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:28 pm

Mick Dundee wrote:I cannot even begin to understand how a player like Steph got ever voted for MVP.

Much less of how he's even in the convo this season.

The guy is a 3-Point Machine, but thats about it.

Once his hands get cold, there is absolutely no additional value he provides.

I would even go so far to say, that he's an obstacle on days when his scope is distorted.

I believe that the 2020/21 Season is a clear testament for that, when he was not able to carry a
depleted bunch of Warriors into the playoffs.

I have nothing against Steph. I believe he is the greatest 3-Point Shewter ever. But he is not MVP Material.

Someone will be here shortly to give you a physics lesson on gravity.

mihail_petkov · Post #1297 » by **mihail_petkov** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:47 pm

Mick Dundee wrote:I cannot even begin to understand how a player like Steph got ever voted for MVP.

Much less of how he's even in the convo this season.

The guy is a 3-Point Machine, but thats about it.

Once his hands get cold, there is absolutely no additional value he provides.

I would even go so far to say, that he's an obstacle on days when his scope is distorted.

I believe that the 2020/21 Season is a clear testament for that, when he was not able to carry a
depleted bunch of Warriors into the playoffs.

I have nothing against Steph. I believe he is the greatest 3-Point Shewter ever. But he is not MVP Material.

I am not going to comment the general idea at all because it's pretty much absurd for anyone understanding basketball more than "he only shoots threes", but the 2021 season has been one of the best carry jobs by a superstar that will forever remain underrated.

- Steph missed 10 games due to a back injury where Warriors went something like 2-8 or 1-9 without him.
- With Curry on the floor Warriors record would have been good enough for 3-6 seed and that is with Wiseman and Oubre (two of the worst NBA players that seasons) playing as starters.
- James Wiseman had a higher usage than Steph when both were on the floor.
- Without Curry on the floor the Warriors were the worst offensive team of all time.
- Once Wiseman got injured, even with Oubre, Warriors went 15-5 to finish the year.
- The same could be seen this year. Warriors were terrible and once they fixed the rotations and cut Wiseman from the rotation, they are having a record enough for top ~3 seed.

The Lazy Potato · Post #1298 » by **The Lazy Potato** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:24 pm

I think Jaylen Brown deserves more recognition for how successful their team is. There is a feeling that Tatum is getting a lot more credit than he should just to get the MVP award.

michaelm · Post #1299 » by **michaelm** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:05 pm

Mick Dundee wrote:I cannot even begin to understand how a player like Steph got ever voted for MVP.

Much less of how he's even in the convo this season.

The guy is a 3-Point Machine, but thats about it.

Once his hands get cold, there is absolutely no additional value he provides.

I would even go so far to say, that he's an obstacle on days when his scope is distorted.

I believe that the 2020/21 Season is a clear testament for that, when he was not able to carry a
depleted bunch of Warriors into the playoffs.

I have nothing against Steph. I believe he is the greatest 3-Point Shewter ever. But he is not MVP Material.

God only knows how his team won the last title. The clowns who adjudicate the FMVP award gave that award to him as well.

Raonak · Post #1300 » by **Raonak** » Sun Dec 11, 2022 8:23 pm

Curry has been incredible. Only had one off game this year.

It's early but who is your current NBA MVP?