2016-17 Rookie Watch thread

[King-]

Originally I was thinking Saric, but looking at this list here and the numbers, Brogdon's FG%, 3pt FG%, AST, STL, and being just behind in points makes it tough not to lean towards him, just with a quick glance at numbers. 46/41/86 splits is impressive in relation to Saric's 41/32/79. Of course Saric's got him in rebounding though, and slighly in ppg.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/stats?rookies=

I haven't watched either enough to know their entire impact defensively etc, though, and of course these are just raw #s and I haven't looked at any advanced data.

It's really too bad Embiid didn't play the whole season, because he probably would have been one of the better rookies in quite some time. Once that team comes together, and if Simmons lives up to the hype, they will be interesting, particularly after likely adding a guard or two at the top of the draft.

Saric had an awful start of the season. I guess adjustment time to the league but he is much much better in the last few months. Both are good on the defense but Saric is supposed to do more work than Brogdon. Basically the same as the offense, Saric has to carry his team. He has usage rate of 24% while Brogdon has 18% and that's huge difference.

I would give the award to Saric because he simply did more and he is keeping 76ers alive and I don't think that Brogdon could do that this year

This "keeping the 76ers alive" narrative needs to stop. If we just throw out the first 56 games of the season (of which there's not reason to) and look at the post all-star break record, it's 7-12. That's good enough to be the 5th worst team in the entire league on win pace.

If anything, the 24% vs the 18% usage differential shouldn't be a positive on Saric given Saric's overall boxscore production on the season. A full 33% advantage in usage rate and we're talking a difference of one bucket in the scoring column on worse efficiency?

Saric's usage rate was not the same all season, when he was averaging 10 points per game, his usage was not 24%. You can't say "a full 33% advantage in usage rate and we're talking a difference of one bucket in the scoring column on worse efficiency?" when hes averaging 18 points per game with this increased usage, 18 is not one bucket from 12 points per game...

Saric is averaging 18 PPG since February 1st, two months of the season. At the very beginning of the season, Saric was being used like Brogdon.

[skones]

Saric had an awful start of the season. I guess adjustment time to the league but he is much much better in the last few months. Both are good on the defense but Saric is supposed to do more work than Brogdon. Basically the same as the offense, Saric has to carry his team. He has usage rate of 24% while Brogdon has 18% and that's huge difference.

I would give the award to Saric because he simply did more and he is keeping 76ers alive and I don't think that Brogdon could do that this year

This "keeping the 76ers alive" narrative needs to stop. If we just throw out the first 56 games of the season (of which there's not reason to) and look at the post all-star break record, it's 7-12. That's good enough to be the 5th worst team in the entire league on win pace.

If anything, the 24% vs the 18% usage differential shouldn't be a positive on Saric given Saric's overall boxscore production on the season. A full 33% advantage in usage rate and we're talking a difference of one bucket in the scoring column on worse efficiency?

Saric's usage rate was not the same all season, when he was averaging 10 points per game, his usage was not 24%. You can't say "a full 33% advantage in usage rate and we're talking a difference of one bucket in the scoring column on worse efficiency?" when hes averaging 18 points per game with this increased usage, 18 is not one bucket from 12 points per game...

Saric is averaging 18 PPG since February 1st, two months of the season. At the very beginning of the season, Saric was being used like Brogdon.

Saric's usage rate is 24% on the season. That's an aggregate number, so yes it is, one bucket with a 33 percent increase. The usg rate he's had over the last two months is likely much higher, (ie. a product of volume). It's a rookie of the year award, not a let's throw on the first three months of the season because his last two were better award.

[CoreyGallagher]

This "keeping the 76ers alive" narrative needs to stop. If we just throw out the first 56 games of the season (of which there's not reason to) and look at the post all-star break record, it's 7-12. That's good enough to be the 5th worst team in the entire league on win pace.

If anything, the 24% vs the 18% usage differential shouldn't be a positive on Saric given Saric's overall boxscore production on the season. A full 33% advantage in usage rate and we're talking a difference of one bucket in the scoring column on worse efficiency?

Saric began playing so well Februrary 8th against the Spurs and since then the 76ers have gone 10-14 while he has averaged 19.5 ppg, 7.7 rpg. 3.3 apg, on 46% shooting. I don't know what he necessarily means by 'keeping the 76ers alive' and I'm not going to project what other rookies could do here, but Dario's performance during that span has certainly helped us stay competitive.

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

Originally I was thinking Saric, but looking at this list here and the numbers, Brogdon's FG%, 3pt FG%, AST, STL, and being just behind in points makes it tough not to lean towards him, just with a quick glance at numbers. 46/41/86 splits is impressive in relation to Saric's 41/32/79. Of course Saric's got him in rebounding though, and slighly in ppg.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/stats?rookies=

I haven't watched either enough to know their entire impact defensively etc, though, and of course these are just raw #s and I haven't looked at any advanced data.

It's really too bad Embiid didn't play the whole season, because he probably would have been one of the better rookies in quite some time. Once that team comes together, and if Simmons lives up to the hype, they will be interesting, particularly after likely adding a guard or two at the top of the draft.

Saric had an awful start of the season. I guess adjustment time to the league but he is much much better in the last few months. Both are good on the defense but Saric is supposed to do more work than Brogdon. Basically the same as the offense, Saric has to carry his team. He has usage rate of 24% while Brogdon has 18% and that's huge difference.

I would give the award to Saric because he simply did more and he is keeping 76ers alive and I don't think that Brogdon could do that this year

This "keeping the 76ers alive" narrative needs to stop. If we just throw out the first 56 games of the season (of which there's not reason to) and look at the post all-star break record, it's 7-12. That's good enough to be the 5th worst team in the entire league on win pace.

If anything, the 24% vs the 18% usage differential shouldn't be a positive on Saric given Saric's overall boxscore production on the season. A full 33% advantage in usage rate and we're talking a difference of one bucket in the scoring column on worse efficiency?

With Embiid they had 13-18 so it's not that they went from great team to bad. They were not so good at the start, lost their best player, stayed around the same winning percentage since. That's what I'm talking about when I say keeping them alive

[skones]

This "keeping the 76ers alive" narrative needs to stop. If we just throw out the first 56 games of the season (of which there's not reason to) and look at the post all-star break record, it's 7-12. That's good enough to be the 5th worst team in the entire league on win pace.

If anything, the 24% vs the 18% usage differential shouldn't be a positive on Saric given Saric's overall boxscore production on the season. A full 33% advantage in usage rate and we're talking a difference of one bucket in the scoring column on worse efficiency?

Saric began playing so well Februrary 8th against the Spurs and since then the 76ers have gone 10-14 while he has averaged 19.5 ppg, 7.7 rpg. 3.3 apg, on 46% shooting. I don't know what he necessarily means by 'keeping the 76ers alive' and I'm not going to project what other rookies could do here, but Dario's performance during that span has certainly helped us stay competitive.

Which also conveniently omits 4 losses at the beginning of February in order to prop up the record. And that's the problem with the case for Saric. In order to make the strongest case possible, omissions need to be made for substantial portions of his rookie season. It's not the body of work, it's strictly his performance the last two months.

[CoreyGallagher]

Which also conveniently omits 4 losses at the beginning of February in order to prop up the record. And that's the problem with the case for Saric. In order to make the strongest case possible, omissions need to be made for substantial portions of his rookie season. It's not the body of work, it's strictly his performance the last two months.

The case for him has been when he began playing his best, which was 8 days into February, and if that best has been worthwhile enough.

[Damkac]

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[GimmeDat]

Ulis has been so good.

I think he'll end up being a high level back up or 3rd guard, I just can't see him starting anywhere, but I can see him being a quality 25mpg guy.

Also, Maker with 23!

[Perishable517]

Thon!

[Dame Lizard]

Dat Thon, Thon, Thon, Thon-Thon.

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[CoreyGallagher]

I'll always love Thon.

[Rastas]

Thon highlight Maker!

[nike1]

those highlights of maker.

can we have him at chicago? lol.

boomers team looks good for the next decade or so.

[IrishRainbow]

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[antonac]

Ulis has been so good.

I think he'll end up being a high level back up or 3rd guard, I just can't see him starting anywhere, but I can see him being a quality 25mpg guy.

Also, Maker with 23!

I initially thought this even while I was really high on him, but he still looks a class above many of the young point guards in the league when it comes to running an offense.

either his basketball IQ has developed unusually quickly meaning the guys drafted around him will surpass him as they catch up in understanding the game given their better physical gifts, or he really is something inordinately special.

I dunno, pack some muscle on this guy and I see him easier to leave out. hoping the suns don't get a top 2 pick because they really should run with this guy a little longer.

[antonac]

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thon's shot form for a 7 footer is unreal. cousins, embiid, porcingis and jokic all shoot really well from 3 but none of them have a straight up jumper.

[76ciology]

All the while I thought this thread had Saric unanimously as ROY.

In a parallel universe, Nerlens Noel would have won the ROY in 2015. Same universe Brogdon will win the ROY in 2017. That universe isn't the one you're living in so you better wake up.

[Dantares]

I asked this on the knicks board viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1546087

but do you guys think Willy did enough to steal RotM award from Saric in March? Saric scored more points but Willy had a much higher fg% and Saric turned the ball over a lot in March.

[Dan Z]

If Thon Maker continues to improve then the Bucks are going to be a great team next year, even if Jabari takes awhile to recover from his injury.

[CoreyGallagher]

I asked this on the knicks board viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1546087

but do you guys think Willy did enough to steal RotM award from Saric in March? Saric scored more points but Willy had a much higher fg% and Saric turned the ball over a lot in March.

Saric 52.8 TS%, 15.0 turnover %

Hernangomez 53.7 TS%, 15.3 turnover %

If Willy does than that's fine, but it will have to be for different reasons imo.