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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1301 » by foreigngrammar » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:20 am

13th Man wrote:
nikster wrote:
13th Man wrote:
Case in point, people have been waiting for moments such as this to pounce on. Yes, it was a ridiculous thing to suggest, I get it. Trump has been the most accessible and outspoken President and in doing so he opens himself up for criticism; some of this justified but there are more important matters in the grand scheme of things than this silly notion that he brought up.

so why is Trump unable to open his mouth without saying something as stupid like this. He opens himself up for criticism because hes a loose cannon that says stupid **** on the regular. In times of confusion and uncertainty like this hes just adding fuel to the fire


No one is perfect people F up and learn from it. I'm sure this wasn't his proudest moment, but whatever this should not define him and what he's done for the country over the past 3 years. Judge a person by their actions and intentions rather by their words.


No one is perfect? :lol: :lol:

Damn... what's up with you? And judging on the past 3 years won't look better. Or are you filthy rich?
Otherwise I don't get how and why you are defending a moronic idiot
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1302 » by foreigngrammar » Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:22 am

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13th Man wrote:I'm starting to like her more, she is well-spoken and diplomatic at the same time.


Agreed. I like her, she's a real pro. You can tell she's been doing media interviews (as she says in this interview) for a long, long time. Nothing rattles her. I don't think I've ever seen her at a loss for words or 'shaken up' by anything anyone asks her. And she knows her stuff cold.

She's a very competent person.


I don’t think people realize how actually difficult it is to speak in front of a camera.

It’s not like doing a presentation in front of a crowd. At least speaking to a crowd you can gage the audience and get a feel for what works. If you goof up in front of a crowd of people, it’s whatever. They probably all zoned out halfway through your spiel.

There’s a lot of awkwardness speaking in front of a camera. It’s why I wish as a society we’d stop giving people crap if they mis-speak on TV.


Then again he's nothing but a TV personality. Upssi :lol:

It's why I wish we would care for love and compassion toward another and animals and the environment.
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1303 » by 13th Man » Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:11 pm

foreigngrammar wrote:
13th Man wrote:
nikster wrote:so why is Trump unable to open his mouth without saying something as stupid like this. He opens himself up for criticism because hes a loose cannon that says stupid **** on the regular. In times of confusion and uncertainty like this hes just adding fuel to the fire


No one is perfect people F up and learn from it. I'm sure this wasn't his proudest moment, but whatever this should not define him and what he's done for the country over the past 3 years. Judge a person by their actions and intentions rather by their words.


No one is perfect? :lol: :lol:

Damn... what's up with you? And judging on the past 3 years won't look better. Or are you filthy rich?
Otherwise I don't get how and why you are defending a moronic idiot


I will refrain from further postings specifically on Trump out of respect for the board and its rules. I can PM if you'd really like to know.
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1304 » by DowJones » Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:49 pm

The numbers coming out of Florida are very encouraging. If they continue to trend in that direction, I think we all owe Ron DeSantis a huge apology. He was getting absolutely killed by the media for the way he has handled this. I can see why he is one of the most popular Governors in the country.
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1305 » by DowJones » Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:51 pm

I do expect the number of positive tests to increase as more and more testing becomes available. The big thing to pay attention to is the death rate and the hospitalization rate.
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1306 » by nikster » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:56 pm

13th Man wrote:
nikster wrote:
13th Man wrote:
Case in point, people have been waiting for moments such as this to pounce on. Yes, it was a ridiculous thing to suggest, I get it. Trump has been the most accessible and outspoken President and in doing so he opens himself up for criticism; some of this justified but there are more important matters in the grand scheme of things than this silly notion that he brought up.

so why is Trump unable to open his mouth without saying something as stupid like this. He opens himself up for criticism because hes a loose cannon that says stupid **** on the regular. In times of confusion and uncertainty like this hes just adding fuel to the fire


No one is perfect people F up and learn from it. I'm sure this wasn't his proudest moment, but whatever this should not define him and what he's done for the country over the past 3 years. Judge a person by their actions and intentions rather by their words.

What kind of president or other world leader Fs up like that? how did he learn from it? Trump blurting out whatever dumb thing pops in his head in front of a national audience has been a problem since he started his campaign. here we are 4 years later in the middle of a pandemic and hes still making similar mistakes. Its not even the first time this pandemic

What were Trumps intentions when he made this statement? or when he touted plaquenil? Or when he tweeted that he has the authority to force the states to open? What was his intention when he insisted the stimulus checks have his name? or when he tweeted LIBERATE MICHIGAN?
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1307 » by 13th Man » Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:08 pm

nikster wrote:
13th Man wrote:
nikster wrote:so why is Trump unable to open his mouth without saying something as stupid like this. He opens himself up for criticism because hes a loose cannon that says stupid **** on the regular. In times of confusion and uncertainty like this hes just adding fuel to the fire


No one is perfect people F up and learn from it. I'm sure this wasn't his proudest moment, but whatever this should not define him and what he's done for the country over the past 3 years. Judge a person by their actions and intentions rather by their words.

What kind of president or other world leader Fs up like that? how did he learn from it? Trump blurting out whatever dumb thing pops in his head in front of a national audience has been a problem since he started his campaign. here we are 4 years later in the middle of a pandemic and hes still making similar mistakes. Its not even the first time this pandemic

What were Trumps intentions when he made this statement? or when he touted plaquenil? Or when he tweeted that he has the authority to force the states to open? What was his intention when he insisted the stimulus checks have his name? or when he tweeted LIBERATE MICHIGAN?


Quick response because you guys keep egging me on about Trump.

I'm going to cite 3 things and will leave it at that. Before Covid-19, how was the U.S. compared to what it was before 2017? In terms of 1. Employment 2. Border Protection 3. Foreign trade agreements.

Like I said, I judge a person on their actions more than their words. Even with the covid situation, I believe that they have done a respectable job, could have been better but hindsight is 20/20. The situation looks to be getting better and imo they are doing the right thing by implementing a phased approach to getting businesses back on track.

If you disagree or want to further engage in Trump discussion, please take this to PM, I'll be happy to discuss there.
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1308 » by nikster » Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:29 pm

13th Man wrote:
nikster wrote:
13th Man wrote:
No one is perfect people F up and learn from it. I'm sure this wasn't his proudest moment, but whatever this should not define him and what he's done for the country over the past 3 years. Judge a person by their actions and intentions rather by their words.

What kind of president or other world leader Fs up like that? how did he learn from it? Trump blurting out whatever dumb thing pops in his head in front of a national audience has been a problem since he started his campaign. here we are 4 years later in the middle of a pandemic and hes still making similar mistakes. Its not even the first time this pandemic

What were Trumps intentions when he made this statement? or when he touted plaquenil? Or when he tweeted that he has the authority to force the states to open? What was his intention when he insisted the stimulus checks have his name? or when he tweeted LIBERATE MICHIGAN?


Quick response because you guys keep egging me on about Trump.

I'm going to cite 3 things and will leave it at that. Before Covid-19, how was the U.S. compared to what it was before 2017? In terms of 1. Employment 2. Border Protection 3. Foreign trade agreements.

Like I said, I judge a person on their actions more than their words. Even with the covid situation, I believe that they have done a respectable job, could have been better but hindsight is 20/20. The situation looks to be getting better and imo they are doing the right thing by implementing a phased approach to getting businesses back on track.

If you disagree or want to further engage in Trump discussion, please take this to PM, I'll be happy to discuss there.

From "no one is perfect they learn from mistakes" To "I dont care what comes out of his mouth and he didnt learn anything"

Employment was the same type of rise at end of Obamas years, Border Protection no meaningful difference to americans, and trade agreements again dont see big net benefit and I predict these protectionist policies will hurt long term. regardless i will end this convo here since we are too far apart and clogging up this board
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1309 » by 13th Man » Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:51 pm

nikster wrote:
13th Man wrote:
nikster wrote:What kind of president or other world leader Fs up like that? how did he learn from it? Trump blurting out whatever dumb thing pops in his head in front of a national audience has been a problem since he started his campaign. here we are 4 years later in the middle of a pandemic and hes still making similar mistakes. Its not even the first time this pandemic

What were Trumps intentions when he made this statement? or when he touted plaquenil? Or when he tweeted that he has the authority to force the states to open? What was his intention when he insisted the stimulus checks have his name? or when he tweeted LIBERATE MICHIGAN?


Quick response because you guys keep egging me on about Trump.

I'm going to cite 3 things and will leave it at that. Before Covid-19, how was the U.S. compared to what it was before 2017? In terms of 1. Employment 2. Border Protection 3. Foreign trade agreements.

Like I said, I judge a person on their actions more than their words. Even with the covid situation, I believe that they have done a respectable job, could have been better but hindsight is 20/20. The situation looks to be getting better and imo they are doing the right thing by implementing a phased approach to getting businesses back on track.

If you disagree or want to further engage in Trump discussion, please take this to PM, I'll be happy to discuss there.

From "no one is perfect they learn from mistakes" To "I dont care what comes out of his mouth and he didnt learn anything"

Employment was the same type of rise at end of Obamas years, Border Protection no meaningful difference to americans, and trade agreements again dont see big net benefit and I predict these protectionist policies will hurt long term. regardless i will end this convo here since we are too far apart and clogging up this board


Lol Ok, we can agree to disagree.
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1310 » by michaelm » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:04 pm

13th Man wrote:
nikster wrote:
13th Man wrote:
Case in point, people have been waiting for moments such as this to pounce on. Yes, it was a ridiculous thing to suggest, I get it. Trump has been the most accessible and outspoken President and in doing so he opens himself up for criticism; some of this justified but there are more important matters in the grand scheme of things than this silly notion that he brought up.

so why is Trump unable to open his mouth without saying something as stupid like this. He opens himself up for criticism because hes a loose cannon that says stupid **** on the regular. In times of confusion and uncertainty like this hes just adding fuel to the fire


No one is perfect people F up and learn from it. I'm sure this wasn't his proudest moment, but whatever this should not define him and what he's done for the country over the past 3 years. Judge a person by their actions and intentions rather by their words.

No doubt there are myriads of members of the press/media waiting to hammer him on any hint of a mistake or mis-speak/whatever. He is the one who chose to make his press conferences in the midst of a health crisis into 2 hour campaign rallies however. The similarly conservative Australian PM after being something of a public relations disaster in the Australian bushfires earlier this year appears to have actually learnt from that and has been even in my view which is not particularly conservative fairly apolitical in the so far thankfully lesser crisis in Australia, stuck to economic aspects of the crisis, economic stimuli, help for businesses and employees affected by the lockdown here etc, and left the medical discussions to the health experts. Not that doctors are always right either of course, and should be called out themselves if they make stupid or inaccurate pronouncements.

Both Trump and the Australian PM are absolutely correct imo to consider the economy, both of their own countries and the world in general, I can easily see the economic effects of both the pandemic and the response to same causing more health problems than the pandemic itself, not that the hospitalisation and death rates in NYC, northern Italy and other places in Europe were at all consistent with a functioning economy either of course.

The numbers in the USA look like they may be starting to turn btw, and Americans of any political persuasion have my earnest wishes that this will be maintained.
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1311 » by 13th Man » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:26 pm

michaelm wrote:
13th Man wrote:
nikster wrote:so why is Trump unable to open his mouth without saying something as stupid like this. He opens himself up for criticism because hes a loose cannon that says stupid **** on the regular. In times of confusion and uncertainty like this hes just adding fuel to the fire


No one is perfect people F up and learn from it. I'm sure this wasn't his proudest moment, but whatever this should not define him and what he's done for the country over the past 3 years. Judge a person by their actions and intentions rather by their words.

No doubt there are myriads of members of the press/media waiting to hammer him on any hint of a mistake or mis-speak/whatever. He is the one who chose to make his press conferences in the midst of a health crisis into 2 hour campaign rallies however. The similarly conservative Australian PM after being something of a public relations disaster in the Australian bushfires earlier this year appears to have actually learnt from that and has been even in my view which is not particularly conservative fairly apolitical in the so far thankfully lesser crisis in Australia, stuck to economic aspects of the crisis, economic stimuli, help for businesses and employees affected by the lockdown here etc, and left the medical discussions to the health experts. Not that doctors are always right either of course, and should be called out themselves if they make stupid or inaccurate pronouncements.


Agreed on all of those points.
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1312 » by HotRocks34 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:31 pm

A number of states are reportedly doing some portion of re-opening today. Information can be found here:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/19/coronavirus-lockdown-reopening-states-us-texas-florida/5155269002/

Some info:

CO -- "Retail can open for curbside"
FL -- Sarasota beaches re-open on limited basis
GA -- Restaurants and theaters are eligible to re-open
IN -- At least some "routine care" medical services can re-open, like dentist offices
KY -- Some non-urgent medical care facilities can re-open
MN -- Limited number of specific type of businesses can re-open (manufacturing, etc)
MS-- Some retail stores will be allowed to re-open
TN -- Restaurants in certain areas of the state will be allowed to re-open, with reduced capacity guidelines


The site also says that more relaxed restrictions are coming to Texas today, but does not list what those are supposed to be.
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Post#1313 » by HotRocks34 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:55 pm

Latest from Cuomo's daily presser:



New hospitalizations ------------> 1052 (down to about 1/3 of peak)
New fatalities ---------------------> 337 (down from 367 yesterday)

Cuomo also updated the, I think ongoing, antibody testing in the state. They are now up to 7500 people tested. Last week the percentage positive for the state was 13.9%, and this week it is 14.9%.

The Long Island and "Rest Of State" regions are down in terms of antibody positive percentage, whereas the New York City and Rockland/Westchester regions' percent positive numbers are up. NYC went from 21.2% positive to 24.7% positive, and R/W went from 11.7% positive to 15.1% positive for antibodies to the virus.
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1314 » by nikster » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:02 pm

13th Man wrote:
nikster wrote:
13th Man wrote:
Quick response because you guys keep egging me on about Trump.

I'm going to cite 3 things and will leave it at that. Before Covid-19, how was the U.S. compared to what it was before 2017? In terms of 1. Employment 2. Border Protection 3. Foreign trade agreements.

Like I said, I judge a person on their actions more than their words. Even with the covid situation, I believe that they have done a respectable job, could have been better but hindsight is 20/20. The situation looks to be getting better and imo they are doing the right thing by implementing a phased approach to getting businesses back on track.

If you disagree or want to further engage in Trump discussion, please take this to PM, I'll be happy to discuss there.

From "no one is perfect they learn from mistakes" To "I dont care what comes out of his mouth and he didnt learn anything"

Employment was the same type of rise at end of Obamas years, Border Protection no meaningful difference to americans, and trade agreements again dont see big net benefit and I predict these protectionist policies will hurt long term. regardless i will end this convo here since we are too far apart and clogging up this board


Lol Ok, we can agree to disagree.

feel free to PM if you think any of those are wrong
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1315 » by HotRocks34 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:31 pm

Florida seems to be coming out of their state sickness. DeSantis says in his press conference today (still live as I make this post) that the last four days of testing in the state have yielded positive test rates of 6%, 5%, 4.5% and 6%. He says this about five minutes into this presentation:



To put those numbers into context, Florida has a cumulative (up through yesterday) positive test percentage rate of 9.1%. The USA rate through yesterday was 17.8%. And NYC today (per De Blasio press conference) was at 29%.

Hopefully these Florida trends will continue. Also, while the state as a whole seems to be getting less sick, the lower three counties in South Florida (especially Miami-Dade) still seem to be having a considerable amount of sickness from the virus.


REFERENCES
https://covidtracking.com/data/state/florida#historical
https://covidtracking.com/data/us-daily
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429
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Post#1316 » by MagicMadness » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:37 pm

HotRocks34, thanks for all the informative posts in this thread.
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Post#1317 » by HotRocks34 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:41 pm

MagicMadness wrote:HotRocks34, thanks for all the informative posts in this thread.


You're welcome.

I love data and math, so tracking this stuff is right up my alley.

With nothing else to do right now during lockdown, this has kind of become my hobby.
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Post#1318 » by zimpy27 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:50 pm

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The comparison between the US and Sweden is super interesting.

They have been on the same trajectory as both slowly added restrictions, however, about a week ago the US lockdown has started to impact the deaths per day and it's dropping. Meanwhile, Sweden never introduced a total lockdown on business, they have asked people to work at home if possible and to practice social distancing as much as possible.

We will get a sense of the difference that has been made from the lockdown vs the non-lockdown.

I think this will be a compelling graph to follow as people discuss the economical effects vs health benefits of the lockdown.
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread 

Post#1319 » by G R E Y » Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:30 pm

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GREY 1769 wrote:There are pockets of places that are on fire with respect to the virus spreading:
Read on Twitter


I believe they’ve been doing a lot of testing in prisons lately. I read one article that I believe said that a big portion of the prison positives are no or low symptoms too. It would make sense that the virus would spread easily in prisons where the prisoners eat together, etc. and aren’t in their cells the majority of the day.

If you could provide a link or source when you can that would be great. The number of confirmed cases in prisons as of April 22 is almost triple that of the US population so the concern is two-fold - higher spread through closer contact and its consequences. It's not just about higher testing producing higher results, it's what has been and will be done with that info. It doesn't help that some states are not forthright with the info, and some either lack resources or don't prioritize prisons with them. The issue is another hotbed and its effects within and outside of it. From the article:

While most prison systems are releasing information about the number of positive tests and prisoner deaths in their facilities, far less is known about how many people are being tested. Sixteen prison systems are not releasing information about how many prisoners they are testing, including the Federal Bureau of Prisons, which has seen several major outbreaks of coronavirus in its institutions. Of the rest, only eight systems had tested more than 400 of the people in their custody by this week.

While we know considerably more about how many prisoners are getting sick, another group of people is at risk in these facilities: correctional officers and other workers. We know even less about how the virus is affecting them, though they have the potential to carry the virus both into facilities and back into their communities. It’s difficult to assess how prison workers are being affected because many aren’t being systematically tested.
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Post#1320 » by HotRocks34 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:40 pm

Here's a report on prison population testing and rate of asymptomatic cases.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-prisons-asymptomatic-8daaaa08-b53e-4368-adb7-88b7d93efece.html

96% of nearly 3,300 inmates with coronavirus were asymptomatic, survey shows

96% of 3,277 inmates in state prison systems in Arkansas, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia who tested positive for the coronavirus did not show symptoms, Reuters reports.

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At Marion (Ohio), close to 95% of the 2,028 inmates who tested positive for the virus were asymptomatic, according to Reuters.
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