NyKnicks1714 wrote:Neutral 123 wrote:NyKnicks1714 wrote:
You have to be trolling. I refuse to believe you actually sincerely typed this and hit submit.
Huh? That's logic. He claimed he never flip flopped as he's been accused of doing during the pandemic. He said he doesn't flip flop but the science changes as they get more and better data. So if they were wrong then, it's certainly possible they are wrong now. Not sure what's hard to understand.
Science is always changing. We learn new things all the time, and thus what we know about something changes. There's not a scientist alive today, or any non-scientist who is remotely familiar with science who would ever suggest otherwise. The fact that you phrased it as "admits the science changes" just reeks of utter cluelessness.
They were wrong then so common sense tells you they could be wrong now
You can say this about anything. It's a meaningless thing to say. We might find out in 50 years that ibuprofen does something terrible to the human body that nobody is aware of right now, it's possible. Maybe we should all stop taking it. I mean, they say it's safe but they've been wrong before.
Perhaps so, although Ibuprofen is not without some risks which is well known, but long term risks also involve continuing to take it, and it has a known half life. The mRNA vaccines are fairly specifically designed to confer no long term risks because they aren't around long term.
As I have said Fauci is not the only medical scientist in the world, Biden is not the only national leader in the world, the FDA is not the only pharmaceutical regulatory body in the world, mRNA vaccines are not the only coronavirus vaccines in the world, and Pfizer is not the only manufacturer of mRNA vaccines in the world (Moderna were in fact funded by the Trump administration to produce their mRNA vaccine). The USA may be the only place in the world where 35% or more of the population is opposed to Covid vaccination with much of the opposition appearing to correlate with political allegiance though.
Despite repeated requests by several posters I have yet to see any data posted which shows that the risks of vaccination outweigh the risks of the disease, and many arguments are self contradictory as are citings of scientific papers which supposedly support the anti-vaccination position but demonstrate the opposite in several cases.
A recent poster has contended that the FDA not approving universal booster doses of a vaccine, despite this reputedly being the preference of the Biden administration, on the basis that data/evidence for the necessity and benefit of booster shots was insufficient at that time (4 weeks ago) is evidence that the original approval of the vaccine was not sufficiently cautious. The same paper cited to favour immunity from natural infection also presents evidence that even a single vaccination dose plus infection is superior, with much other data also fairly universally demonstrating that acquiring immunity through vaccination plus infection is much safer than acquiring immunity by infection alone. And while the protection against transmission of the infection from those vaccinated with 2 doses may diminish under the original vaccination protocol it does not disappear, simultaneously continuing to provide strong protection against hospitalisation and death with obvious community benefit, including reducing the strain on health staff and health resources in general.
I probably would die on a hill to defend mandatory vaccination for health staff; the FDA btw in their 16-2 vote seemed to agree booster shots were justified for health staff while not ever having commented on vaccination being mandatory in this subset of the community or in general, which is not their role. Mandatory vaccination for NBA players I actually agree is quite arguable, but one argument which is employed ie the deprivation of livelihood/income for a few players with strong anti-vaccination philosophies adamantly refusing vaccination neglects the much greater deprivation of livelihood/income which would occur from shutting down or curtailing the NBA in general due to Covid which already occurred last season. Most of those taking issue with anti-vaccination arguments are taking issue with contentions about vaccines which are misleading +/- outright false rather than arguing for universal mandatory vaccination anyway.
As I have previously said, there are alternatives to mRNA vaccines in general and the vaccine produced by Pfizer in particular in any case. The viral vector technology has been around for at least a decade and was successfully employed under compassionate use provisions against Ebola, originally at least 5 years ago iirc, and without much government funding or hope of profit from use in the USA initially.
