76ers back to fining Ben Simmons

[Pointgod]

That's exactly what he's attempted to do. Because Morey understands what he's doing, he knows he isn't in a rush and he knows that Ben would be one of the best assets on the market for a disgruntled star, he's not rushed (how many times do we have to say this?). His ownership group would veto any of these deals and fire him on the spot it he took them to them for approval. These deals have been laughable for a player like Ben.

Also the 76ers aren't winning this year. So it's even more absurd people are talking about how he needs to hurry up on this. They aren't beating the bucks or nets without a star. If they do your thing and look for small assets to package, they're not going anything so this idea of wasting a year of Embiid's career is down right comical. Morey would rather miss the playoffs and get a lottery pick to be frank.

Well that’s beyond idiotic if they end up in the playoffs. Probably the dumbest front office decision from the past 5 years. What Moreys trying to do is turn the 76ers into a contender in one shot with the Simmons trade instead using Simmons to get assets a rebuilding team would actually want.

Morey's got a proven track record of success in what hes' doing. Trying to argue a guy who's revolutionize his job is dumb is a really odd take. What he's doing is the only smart play here. But you keep thinking he can trade ben for something that's better to help a rebuilding team. That offer hasn't been made and Ben is EXACTLY what a rebuilding team would want.

Morey is not half as smart as he thinks he is. Ben is a depreciating asset everyday that passes the offers are just going to get worse and Morey would pretty much have to give up literally all their assets in a superstar trade where Ben goes to a third team. Ben is in no way what a rebuilding team wants. Morey stans are smoking crack if you believe he’s what a rebuilding team wants.

[Pointgod]

I don’t think he’s some heroic character, I just think there’s an existential battle between players wanting to be more empowered and front offices wanting to stay in control. Simmons is the line in the sand where FOs can see trading him for a low return because his team backed you into a corner as opening the floodgates for everyone to do this. So Morey might see keeping players in like as more valuable than his superstar’s prime.

Then let the next CBA deal with that. I believe that Morey and 76ers fans have deluded themselves into sticking it to those “millionaire cry babies” is the best course of action, but I guarantee you that there are probably 10 Eastern conference GMs that are sending gift baskets to Morey because 33 million dollars worth of cap is tied to a player that isn’t contributing anything on court to the detriment of the team.

There's 0 in cap room not playing. 76ers are 36 million over the cap...

So in your reality Ben doesn’t count against the cap? Well that’s one way of coping I guess.

[dhsilv2]

Well that’s beyond idiotic if they end up in the playoffs. Probably the dumbest front office decision from the past 5 years. What Moreys trying to do is turn the 76ers into a contender in one shot with the Simmons trade instead using Simmons to get assets a rebuilding team would actually want.

Morey's got a proven track record of success in what hes' doing. Trying to argue a guy who's revolutionize his job is dumb is a really odd take. What he's doing is the only smart play here. But you keep thinking he can trade ben for something that's better to help a rebuilding team. That offer hasn't been made and Ben is EXACTLY what a rebuilding team would want.

Morey is not half as smart as he thinks he is. Ben is a depreciating asset everyday that passes the offers are just going to get worse and Morey would pretty much have to give up literally all their assets in a superstar trade where Ben goes to a third team. Ben is in no way what a rebuilding team wants. Morey stans are smoking crack if you believe he’s what a rebuilding team wants.

Ben's not depreciating. Morey likely isn't as smart as he thinks he is...but nobody at that level is as smart as they think they are. They didn't get their being humble. At the end of the day, the most likely trade will happen this off season, as was always the case.

[dhsilv2]

Then let the next CBA deal with that. I believe that Morey and 76ers fans have deluded themselves into sticking it to those “millionaire cry babies” is the best course of action, but I guarantee you that there are probably 10 Eastern conference GMs that are sending gift baskets to Morey because 33 million dollars worth of cap is tied to a player that isn’t contributing anything on court to the detriment of the team.

There's 0 in cap room not playing. 76ers are 36 million over the cap...

So in your reality Ben doesn’t count against the cap? Well that’s one way of coping I guess.

It's an actually very important fact here. If they weren't over the cap by so much, Thanks Harris, they'd have a lot more options and flexibility with moving Ben. Because of where they are with the cap, is a huge factor in why Morey is asking for an allstar.

[Pointgod]

So tell me how does sitting Ben Simmons for 3.5 years get the Sixers closer to a title? You know there’s another guy that plays a pretty huge part in that title equation that’s not exactly durable or a superstar under 25. Because of his ego, Morey has set the unrealistic expectation that the Ben Simmons trade has to be their title move while a non self absorbed GM would have used the Ben Simmons trade to gather a ton of assets and ammo that we know teams trading a superstar player actually want while picking up a serviceable player or two.

You’re coddling him. Trouble with Simmons is everybody coddles him. Except Morey. Morey says “You signed the max contract. So play if you want your money.” This season is turning into a big old mess anyway, that will end up with asterisks, whatever the outcome. Why shouldn’t Morey try to force him back on the court, or hold out for the best deal he can get.? There’s already a couple of guys who might be available soon who were no way Jose this past summer. Meanwhile, Philly fan gets the best soap opera entertainment for their buck here.

Umm the 76ers tried to force Simmons back on the court and it’s obvious that Ben has no problem going full Joker and burning a pile of money. At this point fining him isn’t going to work and Sixers are only hurting themselves. Okay which player is going to be available in the summer that’s not available now? You do realize that if this lasts until the summer Simmon’s contract is seen as an albatross not an asset. You have a guy who hasn’t played in a year, GMs will question whether he even wants to play basketball and has admitted mental health issues. Sixers are going to have to give up all their assets and mortgage their future if they’re looking to get back a superstar….. the team will actually be left in a worse position than if they had just traded Simmons earlier this year.

[Pointgod]

Morey's got a proven track record of success in what hes' doing. Trying to argue a guy who's revolutionize his job is dumb is a really odd take. What he's doing is the only smart play here. But you keep thinking he can trade ben for something that's better to help a rebuilding team. That offer hasn't been made and Ben is EXACTLY what a rebuilding team would want.

Morey is not half as smart as he thinks he is. Ben is a depreciating asset everyday that passes the offers are just going to get worse and Morey would pretty much have to give up literally all their assets in a superstar trade where Ben goes to a third team. Ben is in no way what a rebuilding team wants. Morey stans are smoking crack if you believe he’s what a rebuilding team wants.

Ben's not depreciating. Morey likely isn't as smart as he thinks he is...but nobody at that level is as smart as they think they are. They didn't get their being humble. At the end of the day, the most likely trade will happen this off season, as was always the case.

Of course he’s depreciating. What GM is going to give a superstar for a player who hasn’t suited up in a year and has documented mental health issues. Ask yourself if you believe all knowing Morey would trade Embiid for a player in the exact situation that Simmons is currently in. I think we all know what your answer would be….

[dhsilv2]

Morey is not half as smart as he thinks he is. Ben is a depreciating asset everyday that passes the offers are just going to get worse and Morey would pretty much have to give up literally all their assets in a superstar trade where Ben goes to a third team. Ben is in no way what a rebuilding team wants. Morey stans are smoking crack if you believe he’s what a rebuilding team wants.

Ben's not depreciating. Morey likely isn't as smart as he thinks he is...but nobody at that level is as smart as they think they are. They didn't get their being humble. At the end of the day, the most likely trade will happen this off season, as was always the case.

Of course he’s depreciating. What GM is going to give a superstar for a player who hasn’t suited up in a year and has documented mental health issues. Ask yourself if you believe all knowing Morey would trade Embiid for a player in the exact situation that Simmons is currently in. I think we all know what your answer would be….

All 30 of them would do it if it was the best deal available.

People go through mental issues in life, it's not some shameful stigma. I'm sure they'd want to talk with Ben before the deal was finalized, but you do these things before deals always anyway.

[sfballa13]

You absolutely made the argument he was a top 10 player, in a thread where you were trashing him. Which is why I did it. And no, that was your quote. You wrote it...now, I left off the end of it, but it was to make the point of how absurd you were being by making statement like "stats don't lie" and then when presented with stats, you kept your rant going.

Once again i never ever said he was a top ten player of anything.

I provided stats to prove to you that his performance was sub par in comparison to what either you or another poster used as an excuse for why he was so great (3 series worth of stats)

I feel bad for you - going back deep in my comments, pulling something out of context, context in which i was trashing AD saying he never had any playoff success and that he was carried to his one and only ring by LeBron.

Give me some of that good stuff you are smoking or your high school English book because I cant tell if you are high or if you simply cant read.

Ive called AD the worst big man in the league, the reason the Lakers have underperformed last year and this year, and suggested in numerous threads that he should be traded.

Try this, dont reference my user name in your signatures if you are going to blatantly make up things I never said. Quote my post directly but dont make things up and attribute it to me, how petty.

Ive been on the website 10 years longer than you have, you have 10x the amount of posts as me, but my rants about how AD sucks struck such a nerve that you had to include my username with a fake quote in your signature (which now you have removed lol)

You come to these boards daily trashing Ben Simmons and defending Morey like he was your dad, honestly are you being paid by the Sixers or are you one of Morey's burners?

My man you are a sad, sad case.

You were the one who said AD was a top 10 player. In that thread. If you want to argue like cathy newman, you're going to get called out on it. And that was the point of the quote. My point has been made so the signature is no longer needed. I wanted to point out how horrible an argument is when you quote stats and then when presented with AD's stats which are among the best in NBA history in the playoffs, you not only double down but come up with some absurd new round of bad stats and then do one of this idiotic "so you're saying" moments which is where you said AD was a top 10 player.

Meanwhile I have defended Simmons more than darn near anyone on this board. To argue I'm here trashing him daily is down right comical and factually inaccurate.

Why are you so obsessed with a post that i made over a week ago? Seems like you are pretty shook.

The level of your obsession to what a random poster has commented in an internet forum is borderline creepy.

This is your quote from your last post: "AD's stats which are among the best in NBA history in the playoffs"

And I am the one that called AD a top 10 NBA playoff performer?

After that statement you have the guts to say I am factually inaccurate?

I'll stick by what I said, AD sucks. He is a stat padder and nothing more. He is weak, soft, refuses to play in the post, and would get dominated by any big man in the history of the NBA, like he got worked by KAT a few days ago.

I'll pray for you bro, you need all the help you can get.

[Pointgod]

Ben's not depreciating. Morey likely isn't as smart as he thinks he is...but nobody at that level is as smart as they think they are. They didn't get their being humble. At the end of the day, the most likely trade will happen this off season, as was always the case.

Of course he’s depreciating. What GM is going to give a superstar for a player who hasn’t suited up in a year and has documented mental health issues. Ask yourself if you believe all knowing Morey would trade Embiid for a player in the exact situation that Simmons is currently in. I think we all know what your answer would be….

All 30 of them would do it if it was the best deal available.

People go through mental issues in life, it's not some shameful stigma. I'm sure they'd want to talk with Ben before the deal was finalized, but you do these things before deals always anyway.

I didn’t ask about 29 other teams, asked about the Sixers. Do you think Morey is trading Embiid for a guy who hasn’t played in a year and who’s been questioned about everything from his worth ethic to mental state?

[dhsilv2]

Of course he’s depreciating. What GM is going to give a superstar for a player who hasn’t suited up in a year and has documented mental health issues. Ask yourself if you believe all knowing Morey would trade Embiid for a player in the exact situation that Simmons is currently in. I think we all know what your answer would be….

All 30 of them would do it if it was the best deal available.

People go through mental issues in life, it's not some shameful stigma. I'm sure they'd want to talk with Ben before the deal was finalized, but you do these things before deals always anyway.

I didn’t ask about 29 other teams, asked about the Sixers. Do you think Morey is trading Embiid for a guy who hasn’t played in a year and who’s been questioned about everything from his worth ethic to mental state?

Is morey not one of the 30 nba GM's? Of course if that were the best deal he's take it given the right context.

There are two things you're focused on here that we see extremely differently.

1. If Ben sits a year his value goes down. I don't for a second think any NBA GM is concerned with this at all.

2. Ben has said he had some mental issues and is getting help. This just like an injury is certainly something I'd be interested to know more about, but it's hardly some huge deal as long as it's getting managed and frankly, it wasn't like we all weren't aware that the guy was dealing with issues and had mental blocks going on. Ben himself said as much in the playoffs, so the fact he's getting help is the only real new news here.

I firmly believe ben remains a guy who can be a low level all nba player and can be part of a 3 star title contender while being an ideal face of a team for the next 5 or so years if you want to just treadmill (and a LOT of GM's are pretty good with that as long as they can sell tickets and keep the owners happy). He isn't going to be Lebron 2.0. His chance of being an all time guy is pretty low. But as a part of a group of really high quality shooters...oh yeah. But the potential for him to be a so so franchise player if not part of a real title team is 100% there. Green doesn't go down last year and the 76ers are in the conference finals with him.

[Larry_Russell]

All 30 of them would do it if it was the best deal available.

People go through mental issues in life, it's not some shameful stigma. I'm sure they'd want to talk with Ben before the deal was finalized, but you do these things before deals always anyway.

I didn’t ask about 29 other teams, asked about the Sixers. Do you think Morey is trading Embiid for a guy who hasn’t played in a year and who’s been questioned about everything from his worth ethic to mental state?

2. Ben has said he had some mental issues and is getting help. This just like an injury is certainly something I'd be interested to know more about, but it's hardly some huge deal as long as it's getting managed and frankly, it wasn't like we all weren't aware that the guy was dealing with issues and had mental blocks going on. Ben himself said as much in the playoffs, so the fact he's getting help is the only real new news here.

You cannot just brush off potential mental illness like that.

This is not something that can be load managed, or braced, or have injections or surgery for (IK door left open for a joke there)

Mental illness is/can be debilitating and can certainly completely ruin Bens career.

[dhsilv2]

I didn’t ask about 29 other teams, asked about the Sixers. Do you think Morey is trading Embiid for a guy who hasn’t played in a year and who’s been questioned about everything from his worth ethic to mental state?

2. Ben has said he had some mental issues and is getting help. This just like an injury is certainly something I'd be interested to know more about, but it's hardly some huge deal as long as it's getting managed and frankly, it wasn't like we all weren't aware that the guy was dealing with issues and had mental blocks going on. Ben himself said as much in the playoffs, so the fact he's getting help is the only real new news here.

You cannot just brush off potential mental illness like that.

This is not something that can be load managed, or braced, or have injections or surgery for (IK door left open for a joke there)

Mental illness is/can be debilitating and can certainly completely ruin Bens career.

So can physical injuries. There are risks in everyone. The fact he's come out publicly unlike most players who deal with this is a HUGE plus. One of the biggest issues with mental illness is the stigma with coming out and the lack of help. And likely just like an injury he might need treatment, drugs, and professional help. Just like KD need after his injury. And just like we weren't sure which version of KD was coming back, he was well worth the risk. Ben's not remotely close to KD, but Ben's still well worth a reasonable risk.

[Larry_Russell]

2. Ben has said he had some mental issues and is getting help. This just like an injury is certainly something I'd be interested to know more about, but it's hardly some huge deal as long as it's getting managed and frankly, it wasn't like we all weren't aware that the guy was dealing with issues and had mental blocks going on. Ben himself said as much in the playoffs, so the fact he's getting help is the only real new news here.

You cannot just brush off potential mental illness like that.

This is not something that can be load managed, or braced, or have injections or surgery for (IK door left open for a joke there)

Mental illness is/can be debilitating and can certainly completely ruin Bens career.

So can physical injuries. There are risks in everyone. The fact he's come out publicly unlike most players who deal with this is a HUGE plus. One of the biggest issues with mental illness is the stigma with coming out and the lack of help. And likely just like an injury he might need treatment, drugs, and professional help. Just like KD need after his injury. And just like we weren't sure which version of KD was coming back, he was well worth the risk. Ben's not remotely close to KD, but Ben's still well worth a reasonable risk.

I agree, he is worth a risk, but I dont see that risk as being a top 30 player level of a risk.

Obviously higher than someone like Kemba Walker
Obviously less than someone like Durant.

IMO, a Jrue level package

[dhsilv2]

You cannot just brush off potential mental illness like that.

This is not something that can be load managed, or braced, or have injections or surgery for (IK door left open for a joke there)

Mental illness is/can be debilitating and can certainly completely ruin Bens career.

So can physical injuries. There are risks in everyone. The fact he's come out publicly unlike most players who deal with this is a HUGE plus. One of the biggest issues with mental illness is the stigma with coming out and the lack of help. And likely just like an injury he might need treatment, drugs, and professional help. Just like KD need after his injury. And just like we weren't sure which version of KD was coming back, he was well worth the risk. Ben's not remotely close to KD, but Ben's still well worth a reasonable risk.

I agree, he is worth a risk, but I dont see that risk as being a top 30 player level of a risk.

Obviously higher than someone like Kemba Walker
Obviously less than someone like Durant.

IMO, a Jrue level package

As I've pointed out, I don't think it'll be Ben for a top 30 guy straight up. But either Maxey or Thybulle with a pick for a top 15 guy is an option or some package of a bit lesser value for a 15-35 guy. I think that's a better package than most teams have gotten for stars demanding out.

[Tor_Raps]

Please trade this guy so I can stop reading these headlines lol.

[ropjhk]

That's exactly what he's attempted to do. Because Morey understands what he's doing, he knows he isn't in a rush and he knows that Ben would be one of the best assets on the market for a disgruntled star, he's not rushed (how many times do we have to say this?). His ownership group would veto any of these deals and fire him on the spot it he took them to them for approval. These deals have been laughable for a player like Ben.

Also the 76ers aren't winning this year. So it's even more absurd people are talking about how he needs to hurry up on this. They aren't beating the bucks or nets without a star. If they do your thing and look for small assets to package, they're not going anything so this idea of wasting a year of Embiid's career is down right comical. Morey would rather miss the playoffs and get a lottery pick to be frank.

Well that’s beyond idiotic if they end up in the playoffs. Probably the dumbest front office decision from the past 5 years. What Moreys trying to do is turn the 76ers into a contender in one shot with the Simmons trade instead using Simmons to get assets a rebuilding team would actually want.

Morey's got a proven track record of success in what hes' doing. Trying to argue a guy who's revolutionize his job is dumb is a really odd take. What he's doing is the only smart play here. But you keep thinking he can trade ben for something that's better to help a rebuilding team. That offer hasn't been made and Ben is EXACTLY what a rebuilding team would want.

Morey does not have a proven track record. His success in Houston is a mixed with both good and bad.

Ben Simmons is not exactly what a rebuilding team would want. A rebuilding team would want a young star player who doesn't come with as much drama and baggage as Simmons. Simmons is the type of player that would interest a desperate team willing to make a gamble to elevate themselves to the next level.

[DusterBuster]

Well that’s beyond idiotic if they end up in the playoffs. Probably the dumbest front office decision from the past 5 years. What Moreys trying to do is turn the 76ers into a contender in one shot with the Simmons trade instead using Simmons to get assets a rebuilding team would actually want.

Morey's got a proven track record of success in what hes' doing. Trying to argue a guy who's revolutionize his job is dumb is a really odd take. What he's doing is the only smart play here. But you keep thinking he can trade ben for something that's better to help a rebuilding team. That offer hasn't been made and Ben is EXACTLY what a rebuilding team would want.

Morey does not have a proven track record. His success in Houston is a mixed with both good and bad.

Ben Simmons is not exactly what a rebuilding team would want. A rebuilding team would want a young star player who doesn't come with as much drama and baggage as Simmons. Simmons is the type of player that would interest a desperate team willing to make a gamble to elevate themselves to the next level.

Morey's rep is pretty overhyped because he was willing to make some really big-swing trades. In reality, he's just one of those GM's who cares less about chemistry/role-players and is just focused on big names only. The Rockets were rumored in nearly every big-name trade / free agent talk throughout his time there because that was far and away his sole focus as a GM. Nothing has really changed with that either.

[art_tatum]

Just trade him for Ingram.
Imo the perfect guy the 76ers need in the playoffs. He is KD ultra lite.
With him tobs and embiid in the front court they will be dangerous, especially with curry and green knocking 3s

[Quattro]

I didn’t ask about 29 other teams, asked about the Sixers. Do you think Morey is trading Embiid for a guy who hasn’t played in a year and who’s been questioned about everything from his worth ethic to mental state?

2. Ben has said he had some mental issues and is getting help. This just like an injury is certainly something I'd be interested to know more about, but it's hardly some huge deal as long as it's getting managed and frankly, it wasn't like we all weren't aware that the guy was dealing with issues and had mental blocks going on. Ben himself said as much in the playoffs, so the fact he's getting help is the only real new news here.

Luckily, there is a cure for Ben’s mental illness. As soon as he is traded, I’m 100% confident that he will make a complete recovery and will once again be mentally fit to play.

You cannot just brush off potential mental illness like that.

This is not something that can be load managed, or braced, or have injections or surgery for (IK door left open for a joke there)

Mental illness is/can be debilitating and can certainly completely ruin Bens career.

[Tacoma]

Well that’s beyond idiotic if they end up in the playoffs. Probably the dumbest front office decision from the past 5 years. What Moreys trying to do is turn the 76ers into a contender in one shot with the Simmons trade instead using Simmons to get assets a rebuilding team would actually want.

Morey's got a proven track record of success in what hes' doing. Trying to argue a guy who's revolutionize his job is dumb is a really odd take. What he's doing is the only smart play here. But you keep thinking he can trade ben for something that's better to help a rebuilding team. That offer hasn't been made and Ben is EXACTLY what a rebuilding team would want.

Morey does not have a proven track record. His success in Houston is a mixed with both good and bad.

Ben Simmons is not exactly what a rebuilding team would want. A rebuilding team would want a young star player who doesn't come with as much drama and baggage as Simmons. Simmons is the type of player that would interest a desperate team willing to make a gamble to elevate themselves to the next level.

What team that's on the verge of contending and wanting to elevate themselves to the next level - like advancing further in the playoffs - is going to trade one of their star players plus picks for someone who has proven to be a liability in the playoffs, lacking in work ethic and has not improved since his rookie season, yada, yada?

Nobody without a gun to his head. It's wishful thinking - which describes dhsilv2's position on this matter.