2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt. 1)

Ballerhogger · Post #1301 » by **Ballerhogger** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:27 am

If Jokic can get the nuggets top 4 see which is pretty tall task he wins it if not Giannis will. If they sixers get Joel pg and they get 2nd seed he will win it

Ballerhogger · Post #1302 » by **Ballerhogger** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:30 am

SpreeS wrote:There is no defence

I got 50pts and scrub opponent 32pts (Embiid)
I got 49pts and scrub opponent 32pts (Jokic)
I got 33pts and oppenent starter 29pts (Giannis)

Clippers are playoff team … Memphis is top 4 seed in the west . Omg .. bad take . Ok the magic aren’t very good .

BigGargamel · Post #1303 » by **BigGargamel** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:44 am

I just looked up Steph's stats. Yeesh. He's fallen off a cliff, and might be having his worst season in a decade.

SpreeS · Post #1304 » by **SpreeS** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:48 am

Ballerhogger wrote:
SpreeS wrote:There is no defence

I got 50pts and scrub opponent 32pts (Embiid)
I got 49pts and scrub opponent 32pts (Jokic)
I got 33pts and oppenent starter 29pts (Giannis)

Clippers are playoff team … Memphis is top 4 seed in the west . Omg .. bad take . Ok the magic aren’t very good .

Bamba avg 10pts +22pts
Zubac avg 9pts +23pts
Jackson avg 16pts +13pts

and two of them considered DPOY level players

Ballerhogger · Post #1305 » by **Ballerhogger** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:50 am

SpreeS wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:
SpreeS wrote:There is no defence

I got 50pts and scrub opponent 32pts (Embiid)
I got 49pts and scrub opponent 32pts (Jokic)
I got 33pts and oppenent starter 29pts (Giannis)

Clippers are playoff team … Memphis is top 4 seed in the west . Omg .. bad take . Ok the magic aren’t very good .

Bamba avg 10pts +22pts
Zubac avg 9pts +23pts
Jackson avg 16pts +13pts

and two of them considered DPOY level players

Plus Bamba only has 2 shot attempts after the 1st half so the tank started then?

Castle Black · Post #1306 » by **Castle Black** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:26 am

Jokic won’t even let Embiid have one night lol.

49-14-10 on 77% TS is just unfreakinreal.

Sgt Major · Post #1307 » by **Sgt Major** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:24 am

Madhouse · Post #1308 » by **Madhouse** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:28 am

Bucks are 17-3 when they play their Big 3. Giannis should still be the front runner.
1. Giannis
2. Jokic
3. Embiid

Whopper_Sr · Post #1309 » by **Whopper_Sr** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:57 am

Jokic
Giannis
Embiid
LeBron
Gobert

mediocrityrules · Post #1310 » by **mediocrityrules** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:00 pm

Whopper_Sr wrote:Jokic
Giannis
Embiid
LeBron
Gobert

I'm putting Ja ahead of Gobert and Lebron in that list. I don't even have Lebron in the conversation.

Whopper_Sr · Post #1311 » by **Whopper_Sr** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:11 pm

mediocrityrules wrote:
Whopper_Sr wrote:Jokic
Giannis
Embiid
LeBron
Gobert

I'm putting Ja ahead of Gobert and Lebron in that list. I don't even have Lebron in the conversation.

Morant has been great but he hasn't been better than Curry/CP3 among guards.

WRau1 · Post #1312 » by **WRau1** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:59 pm

Giannis is playing both ends at an MVP level and if the Bucks can ever get healthy, they're going to get the 1st seed in the East. That's going to be the deciding factor.

Johnny Tomala · Post #1313 » by **Johnny Tomala** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:27 pm

Other than narrative, I can't see how Curry is a MVP. I don't have him in my top 3. I had Giannis as MVP before season started and I'm sticking with my pick.

hisairness · Post #1314 » by **hisairness** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:43 pm

Madhouse wrote:Bucks are 17-3 when they play their Big 3. Giannis should still be the front runner.
1. Giannis
2. Jokic
3. Embiid

Not sure how a record that proves Giannis needs his other two all stars to win helps his case and makes him the front runner.

Cubbies2120 · Post #1315 » by **Cubbies2120** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:56 pm

After Joel's performance last night, he went all the way to +800 odds with Jokic also at +800 odds.

Then Jokic's game, on national TV happened. After that game, he dropped from +800 to +600 odds and Embiid went back up to +850.

Jokic had 11/5 and a gamewinning assist in the overtime period. That shot him up even in the casual fans eyes.

dshearn · Post #1316 » by **dshearn** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:22 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Bucks are 16-3 when GA/KM/JH all play. What's really shocking is they have only played 19 out of 46 games together. Even if that is just 29 out of 46 games Bucks are probably 1 seed in the East now and GA is the easy frontrunner.

It appears everyone has had roster issues, its been a tough year.

SeniorWalker · Post #1317 » by **SeniorWalker** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:38 pm

I may end up voting for Jokic in the end.

He's the most impressive individual player this year. Since there are no standout players and teams this year, and Jokic is on a winning team technically, I see no problem with him getting it.

If embiid can carry his team to the #1 seed or something, somehow, I'll give it to him. I guess the same for Giannis.

This is just one of those odd years for the race where theres no perfect candidate.

The Lazy Potato · Post #1318 » by **The Lazy Potato** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:49 pm

SeniorWalker wrote:I may end up voting for Jokic in the end.

He's the most impressive individual player this year. Since there are no standout players and teams this year, and Jokic is on a winning team technically, I see no problem with him getting it.

If embiid can carry his team to the #1 seed or something, somehow, I'll give it to him. I guess the same for Giannis.

This is just one of those odd years for the race where theres no perfect candidate.

Team success plays a major factor for the real voters tho.. :wink:

Dutchball97 · Post #1319 » by **Dutchball97** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:01 pm

The Lazy Potato wrote:
SeniorWalker wrote:I may end up voting for Jokic in the end.

He's the most impressive individual player this year. Since there are no standout players and teams this year, and Jokic is on a winning team technically, I see no problem with him getting it.

If embiid can carry his team to the #1 seed or something, somehow, I'll give it to him. I guess the same for Giannis.

This is just one of those odd years for the race where theres no perfect candidate.

Team success plays a major factor for the real voters tho..

I'd read his post again because I don't see him denying that. He even says Embiid and Giannis would probably win if their team gets a top seed. However, as it stands now you either have to give it to someone like Curry or CP3 if you think seeding is the most important or to Jokic if individual performance is more important to you.

Cubbies2120 · Post #1320 » by **Cubbies2120** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:08 pm

The Lazy Potato wrote:
SeniorWalker wrote:I may end up voting for Jokic in the end.

He's the most impressive individual player this year. Since there are no standout players and teams this year, and Jokic is on a winning team technically, I see no problem with him getting it.

If embiid can carry his team to the #1 seed or something, somehow, I'll give it to him. I guess the same for Giannis.

This is just one of those odd years for the race where theres no perfect candidate.

Team success plays a major factor for the real voters tho..

Context does as well. Bucks are winning at 63% clip when Giannis plays, and Nuggets at 55% clip when Jokic plays.

Nuggets have an easy remaining schedule, while bucks have hardest one. I won't be surprised if we see them end around the same win % when playing.
https://www.tankathon.com/remaining_schedule_strength

Should we credit players with wins when they sit? So if Giannis is currently 4th in East, he goes down for 20 games, Bucks win all 20 and are 1st in East, does that help him because "team record matters"?

Who is the MVP so far? (Poll Re-set 1/14/22)