2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt. 1)

Infinite Llamas · Post #1321 » by **Infinite Llamas** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:19 pm

That game winning assist gonna look real nice on the Jokic b2b MVP mix

Madhouse · Post #1322 » by **Madhouse** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:35 pm

hisairness wrote:
Madhouse wrote:Bucks are 17-3 when they play their Big 3. Giannis should still be the front runner.
1. Giannis
2. Jokic
3. Embiid

Not sure how a record that proves Giannis needs his other two all stars to win helps his case and makes him the front runner.

more wins = better chances to win MVP.

dygaction · Post #1323 » by **dygaction** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 7:15 pm

Luka is forcing his way back to the list. Mavs have been excellent offensively and defensively for January since he came back.

Madhouse · Post #1324 » by **Madhouse** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:15 pm

dygaction wrote:Luka is forcing his way back to the list. Mavs have been excellent offensively and defensively for January since he came back.

He has a lot of catching up to do. He is 32nd in EPM and barely top 70 in Raptor where as Jokic is 1st in both and Giannis is top 3.

dygaction · Post #1325 » by **dygaction** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:30 pm

Madhouse wrote:
dygaction wrote:Luka is forcing his way back to the list. Mavs have been excellent offensively and defensively for January since he came back.

He has a lot of catching up to do. He is 32nd in EPM and barely top 70 in Raptor where as Jokic is 1st in both and Giannis is top 3.

I know, I mean only on that list, not real contender, unless Mavs finish the season with a top 3 record in the west.

Genjuro · Post #1326 » by **Genjuro** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:11 pm

Dutchball97 wrote:However, as it stands now you either have to give it to someone like Curry or CP3 if you think seeding is the most important or to Jokic if individual performance is more important to you.

That's a false dichotomy. Both seeding and individual performance are important. This is such an open race right now... My favourite player is Jokic, but I like to spread the wealth when deserved, and I would love Embiid to get there. Still, given the fact that his health is always a question mark and that I don't expect the Nuggets to improve their record much, Giannis is to me the most realistic candidate.

Dutchball97 · Post #1327 » by **Dutchball97** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:24 pm

Genjuro wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:However, as it stands now you either have to give it to someone like Curry or CP3 if you think seeding is the most important or to Jokic if individual performance is more important to you.

That's a false dichotomy. Both seeding and individual performance are important. This is such an open race right now... My favourite player is Jokic, but I like to spread the wealth when deserved, and I would love Embiid to get there. Still, given the fact that his health is always a question mark and that I don't expect the Nuggets to improve their record much, Giannis is to me the most realistic candidate.

That is why I stand as it stands now as neither Giannis nor Embiid have a high enough seed to overcome Jokic' statistical advantage. When either of them gets a top 2/3 seed then they'll have an argument over Jokic. I'd be surprised if both the Bucks and 76ers land outside the top 3 though but we'll have to see how it all plays out. If Curry finds his form again he'll probably be right back in the lead in no time as well.

AleksandarN · Post #1328 » by **AleksandarN** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:45 pm

Jokic won’t get to sniff the mvp unless his team is top in the west

jokeboy86 · Post #1329 » by **jokeboy86** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:02 pm

Dutchball97 wrote:
Genjuro wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:However, as it stands now you either have to give it to someone like Curry or CP3 if you think seeding is the most important or to Jokic if individual performance is more important to you.

That's a false dichotomy. Both seeding and individual performance are important. This is such an open race right now... My favourite player is Jokic, but I like to spread the wealth when deserved, and I would love Embiid to get there. Still, given the fact that his health is always a question mark and that I don't expect the Nuggets to improve their record much, Giannis is to me the most realistic candidate.

That is why I stand as it stands now as neither Giannis nor Embiid have a high enough seed to overcome Jokic' statistical advantage. When either of them gets a top 2/3 seed then they'll have an argument over Jokic. I'd be surprised if both the Bucks and 76ers land outside the top 3 though but we'll have to see how it all plays out. If Curry finds his form again he'll probably be right back in the lead in no time as well.

The Bucks will be the top seed by the all-star break. Bulls got injuries and now Lonzo will be out for even longer now. Nets will eventually take their foot off the gas because health is the most important thing for them in the playoffs. Don't see Philly getting higher than 5 because I don't think Embiid can maintain this output for the rest of the season and I don't think Simmons is moved to get additional help. Maybe the Heat but it always seems like Butler is hurt more often now so I can't say them even with Adebayo back. What separates Giannis from every other superstar in the league besides Jokic is he's basically a workhorse who has rarely missed an extended period of games like every one else. You take Giannis above everybody else because of his availability and durability

HabsAndDubs · Post #1330 » by **HabsAndDubs** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:10 pm

Dutchball97 wrote:
Genjuro wrote:
Dutchball97 wrote:However, as it stands now you either have to give it to someone like Curry or CP3 if you think seeding is the most important or to Jokic if individual performance is more important to you.

That's a false dichotomy. Both seeding and individual performance are important. This is such an open race right now... My favourite player is Jokic, but I like to spread the wealth when deserved, and I would love Embiid to get there. Still, given the fact that his health is always a question mark and that I don't expect the Nuggets to improve their record much, Giannis is to me the most realistic candidate.

That is why I stand as it stands now as neither Giannis nor Embiid have a high enough seed to overcome Jokic' statistical advantage. When either of them gets a top 2/3 seed then they'll have an argument over Jokic. I'd be surprised if both the Bucks and 76ers land outside the top 3 though but we'll have to see how it all plays out. If Curry finds his form again he'll probably be right back in the lead in no time as well.

Bucks are one game out of first and sixers are 2 games back. Embiid is the only all star callibre player on his team. Compared to Steph who has been extremely underwhelming for like two months and CP3, whose team is effectively as good as last year, a year in which he also didn’t win the MVP, those guys are head and shoulders above.

That said, if everything goes to schedule, Steph is going to average 40 points for like 6 straight weeks and get himself back in this conversation before the end of winter.

DaFan334 · Post #1331 » by **DaFan334** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:15 pm

AleksandarN wrote:Jokic won’t get to sniff the mvp unless his team is top in the west

The Nuggets do have the 5th easiest strength of schedule remaining and if they do get Murray and MPJ back with some time left in the season, they could make a serious push up the standings.

Hussien Fatal · Post #1332 » by **Hussien Fatal** » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:48 pm

Joel more than likely will keep up this production, and as long as he doesn’t miss anymore games he will win the MVP. They are 23-10 when he plays which is the number 1 win % in the east. His team is 2.5 out of 1st and all he needs to do is get his team in the top 3 which he more than likely will do.

SeniorWalker · Post #1333 » by **SeniorWalker** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:36 am

AleksandarN wrote:Jokic won’t get to sniff the mvp unless his team is top in the west

I really don't think he needs a top seed. This year is just really funky. I think anything within the top 5 makes him a serious candidate. He's having yet another regular season for the ages....although his early flameout in the playoffs last year could turn some voters off from rewarding him (I don't agree with that, just listing a possibility).

Have to remind folks though, there's still a lot of basketball left for separation to be created.

Cubbies2120 · Post #1334 » by **Cubbies2120** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:31 am

AleksandarN wrote:Jokic won’t get to sniff the mvp unless his team is top in the west

Easiest remaining schedule, hopefully they'll pick it up. Saw that Murray/Porter may come back this year as well.

Ballerhogger · Post #1335 » by **Ballerhogger** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:50 am

http://powerrankingsguru.com/nba/strength-of-schedule.php sos as of now ... lakers

Jokic has seen much tougher competition then any other candidate . He has thats going for him headed into 2nd half of the season

Bank Shot · Post #1336 » by **Bank Shot** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:06 am

Steph will probably have like one hot shooting month that the media will drool over and that will be enough to win it and it will be horrible. The media is dying to give him the MVP just like they were falling over themselves to make a dumb argument for LeBron last year. It's not going to take much, unfortunately.

I'd give it to Jokic if the season ended today.

Crives · Post #1337 » by **Crives** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:00 am

Booker should be in the lead right now and he’s not even in the poll

AussieBuck · Post #1338 » by **AussieBuck** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:06 am

Crives wrote:Booker should be in the lead right now and he’s not even in the poll

Probably should work on being his team's MVP and then concentrate on the rest of the league.

mediocrityrules · Post #1339 » by **mediocrityrules** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:30 am

Crives wrote:Booker should be in the lead right now and he’s not even in the poll

How should he be in the lead right now exactly?

KGtabake · Post #1340 » by **KGtabake** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:42 pm

Hussien Fatal wrote:Joel more than likely will keep up this production, and as long as he doesn’t miss anymore games he will win the MVP. They are 23-10 when he plays which is the number 1 win % in the east. His team is 2.5 out of 1st and all he needs to do is get his team in the top 3 which he more than likely will do.

I hope they will give it to him regardless because i got tired with all the whining and the endless threads about how he's so much better than Jokic, Giannis, Hakeem, Jordan, LeBron, Gandhi, George Washington and Michelangelo.

Who is the MVP so far? (Poll Re-set 1/14/22)