2022-23 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.1)

[phifans]

Embiid might get the MVP vs. tanking teams, no1 is better at stat padding against awful teams that's for sure

like seriously if some1 would do a split between his production vs. good team as opposed to vs. awful tanking teams, the disparity would be huge

This guy has scored more than 30 pts in 10 of his last 12 games but yeah I guess all those ten teams are awful ones.

dude took 32 (!) shots tonight, more than the rest of the starters combined and stil somehow managed to have the lowest +- of all the starters

This guy has the best overall +/- in his team so far but yeah let's blame him for this after this blowout win.

stat padding clown who'll get bounced easily in the playoffs (as always) because in the playoffs you can't pick and choose which games to play and you don't get to choose ur opponent, u also can't play 40 mins and chuck 32 shots and stil maintain stamina for a long grueling series

This guy has never missed PO in his career so far beside one season (in his rookie season which he played 31 games totally) and has reached second round series 4 times in 5 trips. If anything he's not get bounced easily in the PO !

you do realize even Mason Plumlee would probably score 40 if he took 32 shots AND got rewarded with loads of phantom calls (didn't watch the game tonight but I assume he was rewarded with such as per usual)

U do realize this guy is the first in pts/games so far while taking the least shots between top three ?

last season you clamored over and over that Embiid should get it over Jokic because of "team record", so how come now he "just needs to get healthy"? shouldn't philly's record improve too for him to be a viable candidate?

we saw just how "valuble" Embiid has been with co-stars out lately (you were awful quiet in that stretch btw) lmfao

LoL some guys can't wait to call this season over today !

[Exp0sed]

This guy has scored more than 30 pts in 10 of his last 12 games but yeah I guess all those ten teams are awful ones.

scoring isn't everything, Embiid has a great shot at being the scoring champion (albeit mostly due to the ridicilous phantom calls he gets) but this isn't about the scoring title, this thread is about the MVP

This guy has the best overall +/- in his team so far but yeah let's blame him for this after this blowout win.

i didn't reference his overall +- only made a casual anectodal remark about today's game. I like how you addressed the +- but neglected to address the fact that he took...32 shots:)

This guy has never missed PO in his career so far beside one season (in his rookie season which he played 31 games totally) and has reached second round series 4 times in 5 trips. If anything he's not get bounced easily in the PO !

i'm not disputing that Embiid is a great player with huge impact, but again it's all relative and this is the MVP contention we're talking about.

in that context, an MVP caliber player is widely expected (and for good reason) to achieve much more than Embiid has achieved in the post-season, especially when considering he never even made the ECF despite playing with multiple all-stars and even ATG's (Butler, Harden). so yeah, getting bounced in the 1st and 2nd round with the rosters he's played with was an utter failure, and it's not very suprising as the refs start calling his ridicilous flopping and flailing more fairly and when he doesn't go 15 times to the line per game, he turns into a cry baby that doesn't play hard on either end

what does making the playoffs got to do with it? an MVP caliber player makes the playoffs with a G-league squad, that's not to Embiid's credit lol

U do realize this guy is the first in pts/games so far while taking the least shots between top three ?

do u realize that Embiid is hated by so many (myself included) because of the flopping, flailing, falling to the ground and constant foul baiting?

he has a worse % from the field (FG%\EFG%) out of the top 3 and probably even out of the top 10
his bread and butter is the free throw line, so as long as the refs reward this despicable manner of playing - he can easily lead the league in pts while taking the "least" shots, no mystery there [/quote]

LoL some guys can't wait to call this season over today !

don't know what u mean by that, i'm not a prophet

the observations we make are based on what transpired thus far in the season, when things go a different way, we have more info and we can make diffferent observations but thus far that's been the case

Embiid has failed to win games when he was all by his lonesome this season and that's a fact

fwiw, you called my post "biased and ignorant" - i'm def biased, I dislike Embiid as a player and have stated that in the past. in 35+ years of watching NBA Bball, he's gotta be one of the most infuriating and painfull to watch players I have witnseed

it's extra annoying because hes good! he could have been such a good player, with a different mentality and direction and perhaps it's not too late for him even now. If he starts playing like a man and a competitor i'll be the first to congratulate him on that

i like Philly alot (always have) and I really like some of the players they have rn (Tucker, Maxey, Melton etc.) so i have nothing against them, on the contrary. I am biased tho, for the reason I mentioned but so are you as ur a Philly fan..and always in these threads they come out of the woodwork to defend their boy, it's never the casual fan I wonder why that is, hmm

perhaps it's because the unbiased fan dislikes seeing a grown man flail and flophis way to the ground every single play, and get rewarded for it? i'd wager that's the reason

as for ignorant, you haven't added any info or take that I didn't already possess so we'll agree to disagree on that

[_NoMas]

The predictable Embiid mentions every few games. His ability/ level of play is not in question. The fact he’s missed 30% of the season so far means that lack of availability will keep him out of the conversation again

[Purch]

If Embiid can stop missing games he'd be in my top 3 for mvp right now. Dude has been incredible so far this season. However, I need to see im him stay healthy and have Philly go on a good stretch.

[Impuniti]

Embiid has been healthy to be in an MVP conversation once in his entire career. So far this season that's also not the case, which is business as usual.

[Ballerhogger]

I think Zion has better chance than Embiid right now 1st in the west. Scored 35 last night against the suns . Really like his chances

[sweetlou23]

Durant is at least in the conversation and should be in the poll.

[Infinite Llamas]

Giannis having a great year but his defense hasn’t been great as all. I was watching the Bucks and Rockets last night and he was giving a horrible effort on D. Hasn’t looked that impressive since the 9-0 start and it’s crazy people keep voting for him when he’s having arguably his worst season in 5 years…

Of course, the Mavs are struggling and Tatum **** the bed against the Warriors so this race is wide open right now.

[Texas Chuck]

Embiid has been healthy to be in an MVP conversation once in his entire career. So far this season that's also not the case, which is business as usual.

This is an odd take considering he has finished 2nd each of the last 2 years. I think the guy who finishes 2nd qualifies to be in the discussion at least lol.

[PennSports]

embiid has guys writing manifestos on why they hate him

jesus christ guys

[Impuniti]

Embiid has been healthy to be in an MVP conversation once in his entire career. So far this season that's also not the case, which is business as usual.

This is an odd take considering he has finished 2nd each of the last 2 years. I think the guy who finishes 2nd qualifies to be in the discussion at least lol.

It's not odd at all. A major reason he didn't win two years ago was because he played 70% of the games that season. He can finish 2nd, 3rd, 1.5 but he's not winning an MVP unless he plays a decent amount of games. He's done that once last season, and he's already on the opposite path so far into this season.

[Texas Chuck]

Embiid has been healthy to be in an MVP conversation once in his entire career. So far this season that's also not the case, which is business as usual.

This is an odd take considering he has finished 2nd each of the last 2 years. I think the guy who finishes 2nd qualifies to be in the discussion at least lol.

It's not odd at all. A major reason he didn't win two years ago was because he played 70% of the games that season. He can finish 2nd, 3rd, 1.5 but he's not winning an MVP unless he plays a decent amount of games. He's done that once last season, and he's already on the opposite path so far into this season.

So we are saying that 2 years ago the only player in MVP conversation was Joker? He was the overwhelming choice, but not unanimous. Including a first place vote to........ Joel Embiid. And since Embiid finished 2nd in the race it wasn't a joke vote like whomever voted Derrick Rose 1st in MVP voting that year.

I'm fine with saying part of why Embiid didn't win was games played. But clearly this is a guy who has been in the MVP conversation more than once in his career. And while this is very premature, he deserves to be in the conversation now, even if personally I have a different frontrunner.

[Statlanta]

Narratives
Tatum- Best team, hasn’t missed a game
Davis- best individual performance
Embiid- best individual performance
Curry- 2nd best plus-minus, defending champion
Williamson- best team in the West
Jokic- best plus-minus, defending MVP
Antetokounmpo- DPOY candidate, 2nd best team
Doncic- best culmulative counting stats
Mitchell- best record turnaround

[Jadoogar]

Durant is at least in the conversation and should be in the poll.

Durant's been very good but will voters give it to him after he openly demanded a trade and asked for the coach/gm to be fired?

[Impuniti]

This is an odd take considering he has finished 2nd each of the last 2 years. I think the guy who finishes 2nd qualifies to be in the discussion at least lol.

It's not odd at all. A major reason he didn't win two years ago was because he played 70% of the games that season. He can finish 2nd, 3rd, 1.5 but he's not winning an MVP unless he plays a decent amount of games. He's done that once last season, and he's already on the opposite path so far into this season.

So we are saying that 2 years ago the only player in MVP conversation was Joker? He was the overwhelming choice, but not unanimous. Including a first place vote to........ Joel Embiid. And since Embiid finished 2nd in the race it wasn't a joke vote like whomever voted Derrick Rose 1st in MVP voting that year.

I'm fine with saying part of why Embiid didn't win was games played. But clearly this is a guy who has been in the MVP conversation more than once in his career. And while this is very premature, he deserves to be in the conversation now, even if personally I have a different frontrunner.

You don't really have a point here. Yes Embiid got 1st place vote and it wasn't a joke, but that doesn't change what I said which is a fact. He's had 1 season where he wasn't super injury prone to win an MVP. He didn't have a chance 2 years ago and a major reason was because he was hurt so much. Only last season was he fit, and this year he's continuing the same process as he usually does.

[eyeatoma]

It's not odd at all. A major reason he didn't win two years ago was because he played 70% of the games that season. He can finish 2nd, 3rd, 1.5 but he's not winning an MVP unless he plays a decent amount of games. He's done that once last season, and he's already on the opposite path so far into this season.

So we are saying that 2 years ago the only player in MVP conversation was Joker? He was the overwhelming choice, but not unanimous. Including a first place vote to........ Joel Embiid. And since Embiid finished 2nd in the race it wasn't a joke vote like whomever voted Derrick Rose 1st in MVP voting that year.

I'm fine with saying part of why Embiid didn't win was games played. But clearly this is a guy who has been in the MVP conversation more than once in his career. And while this is very premature, he deserves to be in the conversation now, even if personally I have a different frontrunner.

You don't really have a point here. Yes Embiid got 1st place vote and it wasn't a joke, but that doesn't change what I said which is a fact. He's had 1 season where he wasn't super injury prone to win an MVP. He didn't have a chance 2 years ago and a major reason was because he was hurt so much. Only last season was he fit, and this year he's continuing the same process as he usually does.

2 years ago, he was the MVP favorite at the all star break. Then he was hurt. Sorry, to say he didn't have a chance, when he was leading at the mid way point in the season is disingenuous.

[eyeatoma]

Narratives
Tatum- Best team, hasn’t missed a game
Davis- best individual performance
Embiid- best individual performance
Curry- 2nd best plus-minus, defending champion
Williamson- best team in the West
Jokic- best plus-minus, defending MVP
Antetokounmpo- DPOY candidate, 2nd best team
Doncic- best culmulative counting stats (
Mitchell- best record turnaround

Tatum- Best team, hasn’t missed a game LOL
Davis- best individual performance - (No Embiid's 59 and 7 blocks and 8 assists was better)
Embiid- best individual performance, Highest ppg in the league, most 50 point games this season.
Curry- 2nd best plus-minus, defending champion
Williamson- best team in the West
Jokic- best plus-minus, defending MVP ( missed games with covid) Not winning 3 in a row
Antetokounmpo- DPOY candidate, 2nd best team (only played 4 more games than Embiid, FT% is terrible, and he's worse this year than last)
Doncic- best culmulative counting stats (He's got the best chance right now, but the Mavs suck and he has zero help, the Jokic narrative could win him it though)
Mitchell- best record turnaround (Eh, he's missing games now, and his come back down to earth.)

[eyeatoma]

embiid has guys writing manifestos on why they hate him

jesus christ guys

People who haven't posted for ages, literally crawl out of the woodwork to comment about how much they dislike this man.

[antonac]

embiid has guys writing manifestos on why they hate him

jesus christ guys

Embiid is obviously an absolutely monster player that regularly plays at an MVP level, but his injuries and play style (and team record this season) do warrant debate around where he fits into the MVP conversation.

but discussing that has become impossible on here due to a few of his fanboys that regularly participate in trolling. the legit philly fan on here is never going to get a fair debate around him because people on this site are going to be unusually biased against him because of that.

I myself hope he never wins it, but if I didn't post here I probably wouldn't care.

[Exp0sed]

As predicted the "Quarter MVP" not looking so hot when his teamates aren't scorching from 3 and he can actually be defended