NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24

[eyeatoma]

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6.6 assists, and 1.9 blk. Point remains the Sixers have been so good that he's hasn't had to play a lot.

[ChartFiction]

Jokic, Embiid, Tatum, SGA, and Giannis are top 5

Tatum doesn't have the box score of the other players, but leads the team thats best in the league by a decent margin, hasn't missed a game, and plays the most minutes per game out of the listed players at 37.1.

The biggest gap in value there is between two players is being on the floor versus another player not being on the floor at all. Tatum is 2nd in the league in total minutes this season. Only behind Tyrese Maxey. And best in the league in recording Ws.

[Mavrelous]

Jokic, Embiid, Tatum, SGA, and Giannis are top 5

Tatum doesn't have the box score of the other players, but leads the team thats best in the league by a decent margin, hasn't missed a game, and plays the most minutes per game out of the listed players at 37.1.

The biggest gap in value there is between two players is being on the floor versus another player not being on the floor at all. Tatum is 2nd in the league in total minutes this season.

I think Embiid has done enough to remove the stench of games 6 and 7 against the Sixers to be at top of the MVP ladder, I'd put Tatum second, he's been able to have the best record, haven't had a single big loss, and has dealt with teammates missing time.

[ty 4191]

I think Wilt is the greatest player of all time. Take everything out with how his career went. On a player to player basis I think he’s the greatest player ever.

I agree with you. 100%.

[ty 4191]

So it’s career high in assists for Embiid and career high in points for Jokic?

It would be nice seeing Jokic having a 30 point triple double season. Something unheard of for a center and would be great for the narrative when discussing the top 15 players of all time. Embiid is looking good for his third consecutive scoring champion title, a rare feat also. A long way from MJ’s 7 straight though. lol

With all the at-times toxic back-and-forth stuff going on in this thread, what we are witnessing are two hall-of-famers doing their thing night after night with consistency. Let’s just enjoy it.

Great post, brother! Let's enjoy it, and thanks for kindly and graciously extending the olive branch!

I posted this about Embiid the other day:

Let me throw some Embiid love out there, since his fans think I hate him:

Points Per 75 Possessions, All Time Leaders (since 76'-77)':

1. Embiid: 31.3
2. Jordan: 30.3
3. Durant: 27.9
4. LeBron: 27.6
5. Kobe: 26.8
6. Gervin: 26.4
7. Shaq: 26.4
8. Harden: 26.3
9. Curry: 26.3
10. Dominique Wilkins: 26.0

A case could/maybe should be made that Embiid is one of the top few greatest scorers, on a rate basis, in NBA history. He is the all time leader in career points per minute played in NBA history:

Points per minutes played:

Embiid: .86
Jordan: .79
Gervin: .78
Durant: .74
Curry: .72
LeBron: .71
Harden: .71
Booker: .70
Dominique Wilkins: .70
Giannis: .70

[ty 4191]

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6.6 assists, and 1.9 blk. Point remains the Sixers have been so good that he's hasn't had to play a lot.

That's amazing.

You really have to wonder what superstars would be putting up (volume and per game stats) if they were allowed to average 40+ MPG, average, today.....compared to the stars of every era prior to the 2000's, right?!

[eyeatoma]

I'd love it if we could continue to appreciate both great centers on this thread along with the other candidates. I've played a part in previous heated arguments, and am willing to tone down the rhetoric in the name of enjoying a historical run by these two players. Again I have no ill-will towards Jokic. I've got him on my fantasy team this year and have been wowed by his efficiency.

[losmi]

Embiid has done nothing to remove the stench of his perennial playoff failures, because that can only be done in the playoffs. As they say, "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me". He's already got one pity award, that's more than enough for inferior players who push hard in the regular season.

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He hasn't, not just the playoff stench but the foul baiting and load-managing stench
however as i've said many times in the past - his playoff stench has no bearing on the MVP race

he's having a tremendous season and as of rn it's a toss up between him and Jokic, they are both neck to neck, firmly at the top imo.

[losmi]

Sorry, Embiid's awful campaign last year and the way he won the award cannot and should not be forgotten or forgiven.

He's done nothing on the floor or off the floor to deserve any respect in regard to the MVP award.

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He hasn't, not just the playoff stench but the foul baiting and load-managing stench
however as i've said many times in the past - his playoff stench has no bearing on the MVP race

he's having a tremendous season and as of rn it's a toss up between him and Jokic, they are both neck to neck, firmly at the top imo.

I agree in that Embiid needs to win the chip for him to be in the same conversation as Jokic as best player in the league, and to get the respect he deserves. Embiid in the playoffs is a minnow compared to the other stars. However in the regular season he has been incredible. I'd love to see him continue it in the playoffs. I'd say if he can do it while being healthy, he has a far more likely chance of exorcising his demons.

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He hasn't, not just the playoff stench but the foul baiting and load-managing stench
however as i've said many times in the past - his playoff stench has no bearing on the MVP race

he's having a tremendous season and as of rn it's a toss up between him and Jokic, they are both neck to neck, firmly at the top imo.

I agree in that Embiid needs to win the chip for him to be in the same conversation as Jokic as best player in the league, and to get th respect he deserves. Embiid in the playoffs is a minnow compared to the other stars. However in the regular season he has been incredible. I'd love to see him continue it in the playoffs. I'd say if he can do it while being healthy, he has a far more likely chance of exorcising his demons.

great, then we agree
as i've said in the past I dislike his playing style because I thought he could be a much better player if he just played the right way and not be consumed by personal accolades or trying to be a finesse big and constantly foul baiting and flopping

I think both winning the MVP (unjust as it was) and the humilation of last year's run coupled with his nemesis complete success - might have actually started to turn things around for him. I didn't think he had any MVP case last season but he's been playing much better this season, better than i've seen him in the past.

part of that is obviously playing for Nurse whose a top 5 coach and not having the worst coach in the league but part is also growth, I think. I really think seeing the world celebrate the greatness of Jokic playing for his team and putting winning above all, from the comfort of his living room sofa was a great experience for him. like a career defining moment. seeing the blueprint for success and setting out to emulate it.

If he will continue this form in the playoffs, with playoff officiating, schemes and enviornment I will be the first to congratulate him for growing up

I always said that I really dislike his game but he comes off as a really good dude and human being and there is 0% personal hate for Embiid the man as far as i'm concerened. only for Embiid the player and this season he's been the best version of himself in those regards. if he'll clean up the foul merchanting, it'll hurt his stats and accolades but will make him a better player and his team will be better for it.

[eyeatoma]

He hasn't, not just the playoff stench but the foul baiting and load-managing stench
however as i've said many times in the past - his playoff stench has no bearing on the MVP race

he's having a tremendous season and as of rn it's a toss up between him and Jokic, they are both neck to neck, firmly at the top imo.

I agree in that Embiid needs to win the chip for him to be in the same conversation as Jokic as best player in the league, and to get th respect he deserves. Embiid in the playoffs is a minnow compared to the other stars. However in the regular season he has been incredible. I'd love to see him continue it in the playoffs. I'd say if he can do it while being healthy, he has a far more likely chance of exorcising his demons.

great, then we agree
as i've said in the past I dislike his playing style because I thought he could be a much better player if he just played the right way and not be consumed by personal accolades or trying to be a finesse big and constantly foul baiting and flopping

I think both winning the MVP (unjust as it was) and the humilation of last year's run coupled with his nemesis complete success - might have actually started to turn things around for him. I didn't think he had any MVP case last season but he's been playing much better this season, better than i've seen him in the past.

part of that is obviously playing for Nurse whose a top 5 coach and not having the worst coach in the league but part is also growth, I think. I really think seeing the world celebrate the greatness of Jokic playing for his team and putting winning above all, from the comfort of his living room sofa was a great experience for him. like a career defining moment. seeing the blueprint for success and setting out to emulate it.

If he will continue this form in the playoffs, with playoff officiating, schemes and enviornment I will be the first to congratulate him for growing up

I always said that I really dislike his game but he comes off as a really good dude and human being and there is 0% personal hate for Embiid the man as far as i'm concerened. only for Embiid the player and this season he's been the best version of himself in those regards. if he'll clean up the foul merchanting, it'll hurt his stats and accolades but will make him a better player and his team will be better for it.

Totally get that the foul baiting isn't a good look, and it's frustrating given how talented he is. I think he probably started doing it, earlier in his career when he got hacked and wouldn't get a call. Realized how big he is, and how effective it is in getting calls, and then the refs ate it up. I don't think it impacts him that much in the playoffs if you see his ft rate, its' fairly similar compared to the regular season. What does matter is that, he can look for contact, but try and actually make the shot, and that should be the 1st goal.

The part I like about his evolution this season the most has been his passing. Nurse has unlocked him in a way that Doc refused to, and it has made this season far more enjoyable. He has also brought renewed enthusiasm to rebounding, (career high in offensive rebounds),and his defense has been stellar. I think he really enjoys playing with Maxey and the 3 and D role players. He loves Batum as well.

[Wolfgang630]

Nurse might be coach of the year for what he’s done to Philly.

[Fairview4Life]

Nurse might be coach of the year for what he’s done to Philly.

They won 54 games last year with the 4th best offense and 8th best defense. Has he really done all that much?

[timO]

Nurse might be coach of the year for what he’s done to Philly.

harden is cooked

they win the trade with batum covington and even morris playing

[Special_Puppy]

What's the arguement for Luka over Embiid for MVP at this point?

[Wolfgang630]

What's the arguement for Luka over Embiid for MVP at this point?

I don’t think there is any argument

[bigboi]

What's the arguement for Luka over Embiid for MVP at this point?

Luka isn’t in contention