Race to the MVP.

[TheGarden]

The over rating of Durant is beyond absurd now

It's Melo who's been overrated. He has nice stats and game, but doesn't compare with how good Durant, LeBron and Duncan are now. Other league. Durant beats Melo on every category of this sport, while having comparable and slightly better record.

Durant has Martin? Yeah, but Melo doesn't have any Perkins. Durant has Westbrook? Melo has 5 40%+ from 3pt.

Advanced stats doesnt matter in MVP voting? Maybe no, but yes, people notice that Durant score the same amount as Melo on 16 shots while Melo shoots 20.

Melo doesn't even has the turnover argument anymore using raw stats, and it'll be fun Melo fans using TOV% to say that Melo is less turnover prone(which really is).

Any Melo supporter is saying Carmelo has a case and can win it but when guys say he has not shot, its down to LeBron and Durant only its all bull

Durant has a 2 other legit scorers to take the load off of him. The guys Carmelo is playing with are shooting high %'s because they open all game because anytime Melo touches the ball he gets doubled or they zone up so he makes the pass and the ball swings around to the open man who hits the 3, whats your point

Carmelo is having a great season, an MVP caliber season and will get votes and is making a case nothing you guys say can change that so stop.

On top of that Durant has all these great numbers playing 40 minutes a night on a superior team going one on one on the regular. He's having a helluva year but lets not act as if he's head and shoulders above Carmelo thats that **** I dont like

Durant would probably win the MVP today but Carmelo is right there

[Tron Carter]

Durants stepping into Hakeem Olajuwon levels of being overrated by RealGM

[fallacy]

Durants stepping into Hakeem Olajuwon levels of being overrated by RealGM

He hasn't quite hit Carmelo levels of overrated yet so he's got a little ways to go.

[NYK_89]

Durants stepping into Hakeem Olajuwon levels of being overrated by RealGM

He hasn't quite hit Carmelo levels of overrated yet so he's got a little ways to go.

Carmelo may be the most underrated player on realgm does the is carmelo a top 30 player any more thread of last year ring a bell?

[fallacy]

Durants stepping into Hakeem Olajuwon levels of being overrated by RealGM

He hasn't quite hit Carmelo levels of overrated yet so he's got a little ways to go.

Carmelo may be the most underrated player on realgm does the is carmelo a top 30 player any more thread of last year ring a bell?

I'm getting out of this thread now before it gets locked. Thank god I work at 5

[Hero]

The over rating of Durant is beyond absurd now

it is and its a shame

Yep. You don't need to play defense now the win the MVP.

[NYK_89]

The over rating of Durant is beyond absurd now

It's Melo who's been overrated. He has nice stats and game, but doesn't compare with how good Durant, LeBron and Duncan are now. Other league. Durant beats Melo on every category of this sport, while having comparable and slightly better record.

Durant has Martin? Yeah, but Melo doesn't have any Perkins. Durant has Westbrook? Melo has 5 40%+ from 3pt.

Advanced stats doesnt matter in MVP voting? Maybe no, but yes, people notice that Durant score the same amount as Melo on 16 shots while Melo shoots 20.

Melo doesn't even has the turnover argument anymore using raw stats, and it'll be fun Melo fans using TOV% to say that Melo is less turnover prone(which really is).

Yeah... except its the most valuable player not best player award....
Parker Ginobli Westbrook Martin Ibaka Wade Bosh Allen are all better players then Carmelo has outside Tyson Chandler who is close or better then 1 or two of those guys but at the same time is nothing other then a dunker. Yet somehow the Knicks have a better or equal record to all of these teams and have beat 2 of the 3 head to head, acting like Carmelo is not right there in the MVP race is a total joke.

[TheKingOfVa360]

Durants stepping into Hakeem Olajuwon levels of being overrated by RealGM

He hasn't quite hit Carmelo levels of overrated yet so he's got a little ways to go.

Melo is the most underrated player on realgm thanks for the laugh

[KDgoat]

I'm not even sure how you can overrate Durant right now. Take any combination of 5 stats, even defensive ones, and there's not even 2/5 of those that makes him look worse than other MVP contenders like Lebron and Kobe.

Or use any other arbitrary number. KD is killing it right now, even NBA.com has acknowledged his potential. Durant is playing at slightly below peak Lebron level, and hasn't even reached his own peak yet. People thought he had reached his ceiling last year, or the year before that. Instead of that, he's been adding different facets to his game every year, filling the blanks until there are almost no blanks left.

[Bravely Done]

Be consistent.


Had LeBron or Kobe been posting the numbers(Kobe wasnt, LeBron was, though Durants are comparable) Durant's posting now, at 24, coming off a finals debut of 28 points on 55%fg/63ts% at the age of 23, the hype would have been rampant and uncontaiable. Albeit, for Lebron it was, and he was not the post season player KD has proven to be at the same stage.

If Durant maintains this level of play throughout the season and into the playoffs, then the "overrating" of his game is deserved. What he's doing now has never been done, sans Bird, and we all know where Bird sits in basketball lore.

[Brickz7]

The over rating of Durant is beyond absurd now

it is and its a shame

Yep. You don't need to play defense now the win the MVP.

melo has been playing good defense this year as well..so mute point

[TheKingOfVa360]

The over rating of Durant is beyond absurd now

it is and its a shame

Yep. You don't need to play defense now the win the MVP.

Now, hmmmm

Nash has two MVPs and Dirk has one. They have a defensive player of the year award for a reason.

[TheGarden]

I'm not even sure how you can overrate Durant right now. Take any combination of 5 stats, even defensive ones, and there's not even 2/5 of those that makes him look worse than other MVP contenders like Lebron and Kobe.

Or use any other arbitrary number. KD is killing it right now, even NBA.com has acknowledged his potential. Durant is playing at slightly below peak Lebron level, and hasn't even reached his own peak yet. People thought he had reached his ceiling last year, or the year before that. Instead of that, he's been adding different facets to his game every year, filling the blanks until there are almost no blanks left.

its over rating when you say things like he's head and shoulders above Carmelo that puts him above LeBron levels. If I could score these guys I'd say

LeBron 97
Durant 94
Carmelo 93

the thing Durant has on his side is the big number games but other than that its not a big stretch between their abilities. Carmelo is still a better passer, more aggressive rebounder and defender. I doubt Durant could defend 4's for 36 minutes a night and still post those numbers

[Brickz7]

The over rating of Durant is beyond absurd now

It's Melo who's been overrated. He has nice stats and game, but doesn't compare with how good Durant, LeBron and Duncan are now. Other league. Durant beats Melo on every category of this sport, while having comparable and slightly better record.

Durant has Martin? Yeah, but Melo doesn't have any Perkins. Durant has Westbrook? Melo has 5 40%+ from 3pt.

Advanced stats doesnt matter in MVP voting? Maybe no, but yes, people notice that Durant score the same amount as Melo on 16 shots while Melo shoots 20.

Melo doesn't even has the turnover argument anymore using raw stats, and it'll be fun Melo fans using TOV% to say that Melo is less turnover prone(which really is).

Yeah... except its the most valuable player not best player award....
Parker Ginobli Westbrook Martin Ibaka Wade Bosh Allen are all better players then Carmelo has outside Tyson Chandler who is close or better then 1 or two of those guys but at the same time is nothing other then a dunker. Yet somehow the Knicks have a better or equal record to all of these teams and have beat 2 of the 3 head to head, acting like Carmelo is not right there in the MVP race is a total joke.

This here Trumps any case for durant or lebron being mvp

[Bravely Done]

The over rating of Durant is beyond absurd now

it is and its a shame

Yep. You don't need to play defense now the win the MVP.

Durant is and has been a great iso defender, and he's actively developing into a very good team defender. His length and lateral quickness allow him to cover tons of ground and contest shots most any other defender wouldn't get to, and he can sag off when iso'd while being able to easily recover and cut off penetration. Additionally, because he's so tall and long, he has the flexibility to switch on stretch 4's and weaker, smaller 5's. With a little more strength and consistency, he can most definitely become one of the premier defenders in the league. As of now, and this quite reminiscent of LeBron's defensive strides after the 08 Olympics(he was a mediocre defender prior to), he's damned good.

[Brickz7]

another point not made in this threat that ive seen in the last few pages is Durant Said over the summer in the olympics that Carmelo was the best offensive player on the team..bar none

[EvilSperm]

U just need a good image in the media and ur team needs to have a good record and you'll win the mvp haha anyways such a lame award

[Bravely Done]

I'm not even sure how you can overrate Durant right now. Take any combination of 5 stats, even defensive ones, and there's not even 2/5 of those that makes him look worse than other MVP contenders like Lebron and Kobe.

Or use any other arbitrary number. KD is killing it right now, even NBA.com has acknowledged his potential. Durant is playing at slightly below peak Lebron level, and hasn't even reached his own peak yet. People thought he had reached his ceiling last year, or the year before that. Instead of that, he's been adding different facets to his game every year, filling the blanks until there are almost no blanks left.

its over rating when you say things like he's head and shoulders above Carmelo that puts him above LeBron levels. If I could score these guys I'd say

LeBron 97
Durant 94
Carmelo 93

the thing Durant has on his side is the big number games but other than that its not a big stretch between their abilities. Carmelo is still a better passer, more aggressive rebounder and defender. I doubt Durant could defend 4's for 36 minutes a night and still post those numbers

Durant is head and shoulders better than Melo, in nigh every facet, and it's been that way since his sophomore season. There is no comparison, and any made should have been dismissed as comedy after Durant put up 30ppg on 60ts% as a 21 year old. It is no longer close, Melo isn't in Durant's stratosphere and Melo's fans and apologist need to get that through their collective skulls.

KD is better on the boards, and is a significantly better scorer and defender. He's a much better passer, and his extensive handle which includes one of the smoothest and rangiest crossovers in the league, allows him to initiate the offense from out to 25ft and act as a deadly slasher and PnR ball handler. He's much more potent off the ball, is significantly better in transition, is a much better shooter, and as of this season, is better in the post. And to top it all off, his contributions are significantly more impactful to his teams success than are Melo's.

Numbers, both raw and advanced, support all of the above.

In the context of their era and in contrast to their peers, their numbers would be as follows:

LeBron: 99
Durant: 97
Melo: 89

If you wish to debate the worthiness and legitimacy of Melo's MVP's case, by all means do so, but please stop with the comparisons to LeBron and Durant. That boat sailed a long time ago.

[TheGarden]

I'm not even sure how you can overrate Durant right now. Take any combination of 5 stats, even defensive ones, and there's not even 2/5 of those that makes him look worse than other MVP contenders like Lebron and Kobe.

Or use any other arbitrary number. KD is killing it right now, even NBA.com has acknowledged his potential. Durant is playing at slightly below peak Lebron level, and hasn't even reached his own peak yet. People thought he had reached his ceiling last year, or the year before that. Instead of that, he's been adding different facets to his game every year, filling the blanks until there are almost no blanks left.

its over rating when you say things like he's head and shoulders above Carmelo that puts him above LeBron levels. If I could score these guys I'd say

LeBron 97
Durant 94
Carmelo 93

the thing Durant has on his side is the big number games but other than that its not a big stretch between their abilities. Carmelo is still a better passer, more aggressive rebounder and defender. I doubt Durant could defend 4's for 36 minutes a night and still post those numbers

Durant is head and shoulders better than Melo, in nigh every facet. And it's been that way since Durant's sophomore season. There is no comparison, and any comparison that was made should have been dismissed as comedy after Durant put up 30ppg on 60ts% as a 21 year old. It is no longer close, Melo isn't in Durant's stratosphere and Melo's fans and apologist need to get that through their skulls. Durant is better rebounder, and is a significantly better scorer and defender. He's a much better passer, and his extensive handle which includes one of the smoothest and rangiest crossovers in the league, allows him to initiate the offense from out to 25ft and act as a deadly slasher and PnR ball handler. He's much more potent off the ball, is significantly better in transition, is a much better shooter, and as of this season, is better in the post. And to top it all off, his contributions are significantly more important to his teams success than are Melo's.

Numbers, both raw and advanced, support all of the above.

In the context of their era and in contrast to their peers, their numbers would be as follows:

LeBron: 99
Durant: 97




Melo: 89

good day sir I'm done

[bbms]

Durants stepping into Hakeem Olajuwon levels of being overrated by RealGM

He hasn't quite hit Carmelo levels of overrated yet so he's got a little ways to go.

Carmelo may be the most underrated player on realgm does the is carmelo a top 30 player any more thread of last year ring a bell?

Melo is a top100 player on RealGM lol.