Rookie Discussion Thread

[TheZachAttack]

To me this just shows how advanced stats can be flawed.

Jokic is a great young player, no doubt. But Towns was had the highest fg% on ISO plays and the highest FG% on jump shots from 16-24 feet in the league. Think about how insane that is. This guy is the most effecient 1 on 1 player in the league while having the best 2 point jump shot in the league. Facts and Facts.


Jokic is not nearly the player Towns is and that's not a diss to Jokic.

[Riko]

To me this just shows how advanced stats can be flawed.

Jokic is a great young player, no doubt. But Towns was had the highest fg% on ISO plays and the highest FG% on jump shots from 16-24 feet in the league. Think about how insane that is. This guy is the most effecient 1 on 1 player in the league while having the best 2 point jump shot in the league. Facts and Facts.


Jokic is not nearly the player Towns is and that's not a diss to Jokic.

Jokic has great vision (better than Towns), great defensive position (despite he hasn't good blocks' number he does a lot a good thing on defense). Towns is a better overall player no doubt about it but Jokic has different strenght than Towns (despite they are both pf/c their style of play is very different) and Malone use him very well so the stats are pretty similar...
Basketball is not only 1vs1.

[wildvikeswolves]

To me this just shows how advanced stats can be flawed.

Jokic is a great young player, no doubt. But Towns was had the highest fg% on ISO plays and the highest FG% on jump shots from 16-24 feet in the league. Think about how insane that is. This guy is the most effecient 1 on 1 player in the league while having the best 2 point jump shot in the league. Facts and Facts.


Jokic is not nearly the player Towns is and that's not a diss to Jokic.

Jokic has great vision (better than Towns), great defensive position (despite he hasn't good blocks' number he does a lot a good thing on defense). Towns is a better overall player no doubt about it but Jokic has different strenght than Towns (despite they are both pf/c their style of play is very different) and Malone use him very well so the stats are pretty similar...
Basketball is not only 1vs1.

I doubt that

[TheZachAttack]

To me this just shows how advanced stats can be flawed.

Jokic is a great young player, no doubt. But Towns was had the highest fg% on ISO plays and the highest FG% on jump shots from 16-24 feet in the league. Think about how insane that is. This guy is the most effecient 1 on 1 player in the league while having the best 2 point jump shot in the league. Facts and Facts.


Jokic is not nearly the player Towns is and that's not a diss to Jokic.

Jokic has great vision (better than Towns), great defensive position (despite he hasn't good blocks' number he does a lot a good thing on defense). Towns is a better overall player no doubt about it but Jokic has different strenght than Towns (despite they are both pf/c their style of play is very different) and Malone use him very well so the stats are pretty similar...
Basketball is not only 1vs1.

Where did I say that? Jokic also benefits from playing on a better team that plays together better as a team. Towns is great because of his 1 on 1 skills but his ability to play as a team and that will get better as his team gets better.

[Quentin]

To me this just shows how advanced stats can be flawed.

Jokic is a great young player, no doubt. But Towns was had the highest fg% on ISO plays and the highest FG% on jump shots from 16-24 feet in the league. Think about how insane that is. This guy is the most effecient 1 on 1 player in the league while having the best 2 point jump shot in the league. Facts and Facts.


Jokic is not nearly the player Towns is and that's not a diss to Jokic.

Jokic has great vision (better than Towns), great defensive position (despite he hasn't good blocks' number he does a lot a good thing on defense). Towns is a better overall player no doubt about it but Jokic has different strenght than Towns (despite they are both pf/c their style of play is very different) and Malone use him very well so the stats are pretty similar...
Basketball is not only 1vs1.

I doubt that

It was a homer take. He has no idea how good Towns vision is.

[Klomp]

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[Marcus]

Jokic has great vision (better than Towns), great defensive position (despite he hasn't good blocks' number he does a lot a good thing on defense). Towns is a better overall player no doubt about it but Jokic has different strenght than Towns (despite they are both pf/c their style of play is very different) and Malone use him very well so the stats are pretty similar...
Basketball is not only 1vs1.

I doubt that

It was a homer take. He has no idea how good Towns vision is.

make no mistake about it Jokic CAN pass the rock. Might be my favorite part of his game but to say better vision than Towns is reaching a little I think. Karl still hasn't shown the entire skillset as of yet. Dude's vision is absolute money. Can be a offensive hub from anywhere on the floor.

[RRFB]

Jokic has great vision (better than Towns), great defensive position (despite he hasn't good blocks' number he does a lot a good thing on defense). Towns is a better overall player no doubt about it but Jokic has different strenght than Towns (despite they are both pf/c their style of play is very different) and Malone use him very well so the stats are pretty similar...
Basketball is not only 1vs1.

I doubt that

It was a homer take. He has no idea how good Towns vision is.

And you very clearly have no idea how good Jokic's vision is. I should have known posting that article in here was a bad idea.

[Quentin]

I doubt that

It was a homer take. He has no idea how good Towns vision is.

And you very clearly have no idea how good Jokic's vision is. I should have known posting that article in here was a bad idea.

Didn't say anything negative about Jokic. Only responded to the guy who made a stupid comment on Towns.

[Riko]

I doubt that

It was a homer take. He has no idea how good Towns vision is.

And you very clearly have no idea how good Jokic's vision is. I should have known posting that article in here was a bad idea.

let's put this way: This year Jokic seems a better passer than Towns (if you don't like advance stats the raw stats should be enough: 189 assist vs 161 assist despite less touch and minutes).
Maybe next year Towns will be an elite big man in that category but I personally doubt about it, simply because he has too much offensive burden to carry...

And to be fair, that was not a homer take, Towns is the raising star and he will dominate the NBA one day but that doesn't mean that Towns is better than Jokic (or other young big-man) in every aspect of the game...

[Domejandro]

It was a homer take. He has no idea how good Towns vision is.

And you very clearly have no idea how good Jokic's vision is. I should have known posting that article in here was a bad idea.

let's put this way: This year Jokic seems a better passer than Towns (if you don't like advance stats the raw stats should be enough: 189 assist vs 161 assist despite less touch and minutes).
Maybe next year Towns will be an elite big man in that category but I personally doubt about it, simply because he has too much offensive burden to carry...

And to be fair, that was not a homer take, Towns is the raising star and he will dominate the NBA one day but that doesn't mean that Towns is better than Jokic (or other young big-man) in every aspect of the game...

What people are stating is that Karl-Anthony Towns is an amazing passing big man.

[ChilledAlex]

Calm down guys, it won't matter who was the best rookie when KP reaches his potential

[Xanadu]

:lol: Calm down guys, it won't matter who was the best rookie when KP reaches his potential

Even if KP reaches his potential Towns will still be the better player. Towns is what everyone thought AD was going to be. He is a big man with such a board skill set that makes him one of a kind. KP will never be the defender or rebounder Towns is. KP may even end up the better offensive player but he will never be the better all around player imho. Barring injury god forbid.

[Domejandro]

:lol: Calm down guys, it won't matter who was the best rookie when KP reaches his potential

Even if KP reaches his potential Towns will still be the better player. Towns is what everyone thought AD was going to be. He is a big man with such a board skill set that makes him one of a kind. KP will never be the defender or rebounder Towns is. KP may even end up the better offensive player but he will never be the better all around player imho. Barring injury god forbid.

I am fairly certain that he was joking.

[Xanadu]

:lol: Calm down guys, it won't matter who was the best rookie when KP reaches his potential

Even if KP reaches his potential Towns will still be the better player. Towns is what everyone thought AD was going to be. He is a big man with such a board skill set that makes him one of a kind. KP will never be the defender or rebounder Towns is. KP may even end up the better offensive player but he will never be the better all around player imho. Barring injury god forbid.

I am fairly certain that he was joking.

Good got all fired up there for a second.
Although off topic one of my favorite discussions is what young core would you take. Wolves or Bucks?
At first glance I think most would go the Wolves(mostly due to KAT) but I think the discussion is a valid one. Giannis and KAT are both super unique one of a kind guys that could change the game. While I think a unbiased observer would take KAT I do think their value is fairly close. Although I would take Giannis because of homerism and the idea that talented wings seem to be more crucial to championship teams.
Where the discussion gets really interesting is Wiggins/Parker and Midds vs Rubio/Lavine. It seems to get closer there. With trying my hardest to remove my homer glasses I still like Parker a lot more than Wiggins. I just don't like Wiggy all that much he seems to not do anything really well. I thought his D would be better by now but he just doesn't seem to have the intensity or mindset to make his amazing gifts work for him on that end. As a scorer he doesn't seem to have very many moves and is a very streaky jump shooter. Parker just seems so much smoother with the ball. Again trying to remove my homer glasses but as we all know that can be hard.

[DaGawd]

:lol: Calm down guys, it won't matter who was the best rookie when KP reaches his potential

Even if KP reaches his potential Towns will still be the better player. Towns is what everyone thought AD was going to be. He is a big man with such a board skill set that makes him one of a kind. KP will never be the defender or rebounder Towns is. KP may even end up the better offensive player but he will never be the better all around player imho. Barring injury god forbid.

People jumping the gun a bit here.. I don't really see where Towns has a major advantage on AD other than he might be a bit better in the post. But AD is still young himself with room to grow

[Xanadu]

:lol: Calm down guys, it won't matter who was the best rookie when KP reaches his potential

Even if KP reaches his potential Towns will still be the better player. Towns is what everyone thought AD was going to be. He is a big man with such a board skill set that makes him one of a kind. KP will never be the defender or rebounder Towns is. KP may even end up the better offensive player but he will never be the better all around player imho. Barring injury god forbid.

People jumping the gun a bit here.. I don't really see where Towns has a major advantage on AD other than he might be a bit better in the post. But AD is still young himself with room to grow

That is true and perhaps AD will stop falling in love with that mid range pull up. But that shot seems to have become his favorite. I thought for sure he was going to be popping threes by now. If not he should start driving/posting more but mainly right now I just see Towns as having a better chance of being Tim Duncan with a deadly pull up and handles. That's how I view Towns ceilings as a crazy TD/KG hybrid with potential three point range. I did see AD that way but he seems to have regressed this year imo.

[wildvikeswolves]

Even if KP reaches his potential Towns will still be the better player. Towns is what everyone thought AD was going to be. He is a big man with such a board skill set that makes him one of a kind. KP will never be the defender or rebounder Towns is. KP may even end up the better offensive player but he will never be the better all around player imho. Barring injury god forbid.

I am fairly certain that he was joking.

Good got all fired up there for a second.
Although off topic one of my favorite discussions is what young core would you take. Wolves or Bucks?
At first glance I think most would go the Wolves(mostly due to KAT) but I think the discussion is a valid one. Giannis and KAT are both super unique one of a kind guys that could change the game. While I think a unbiased observer would take KAT I do think their value is fairly close. Although I would take Giannis because of homerism and the idea that talented wings seem to be more crucial to championship teams.
Where the discussion gets really interesting is Wiggins/Parker and Midds vs Rubio/Lavine. It seems to get closer there. With trying my hardest to remove my homer glasses I still like Parker a lot more than Wiggins. I just don't like Wiggy all that much he seems to not do anything really well. I thought his D would be better by now but he just doesn't seem to have the intensity or mindset to make his amazing gifts work for him on that end. As a scorer he doesn't seem to have very many moves and is a very streaky jump shooter. Parker just seems so much smoother with the ball. Again trying to remove my homer glasses but as we all know that can be hard.

People love to hate Wiggins.. Possibly more then any other player on this board, but I have full confidence in him, especially with Thibs coming in.

Anyways.. I miss watching the KAT daddy play

[Xanadu]

I am fairly certain that he was joking.

Good got all fired up there for a second.
Although off topic one of my favorite discussions is what young core would you take. Wolves or Bucks?
At first glance I think most would go the Wolves(mostly due to KAT) but I think the discussion is a valid one. Giannis and KAT are both super unique one of a kind guys that could change the game. While I think a unbiased observer would take KAT I do think their value is fairly close. Although I would take Giannis because of homerism and the idea that talented wings seem to be more crucial to championship teams.
Where the discussion gets really interesting is Wiggins/Parker and Midds vs Rubio/Lavine. It seems to get closer there. With trying my hardest to remove my homer glasses I still like Parker a lot more than Wiggins. I just don't like Wiggy all that much he seems to not do anything really well. I thought his D would be better by now but he just doesn't seem to have the intensity or mindset to make his amazing gifts work for him on that end. As a scorer he doesn't seem to have very many moves and is a very streaky jump shooter. Parker just seems so much smoother with the ball. Again trying to remove my homer glasses but as we all know that can be hard.

People love to hate Wiggins.. Possibly more then any other player on this board, but I have full confidence in him, especially with Thibs coming in.

Anyways.. I miss watching the KAT daddy play

I don't hate Wiggins in fact I wanted him the most after finding out about Embids injuries. I wanted Parker the least out of the top prospects. But after watching Wiggins in the NBA he just doesn't seem to have very good feel for the game. He is a amazing athlete but he just doesn't seem to be able to use his gifts effectively. I personally would love to seem him work it out because he still has loads of potential but I think that natural feel/look is often over looked when evaluating players. Its hard to gain that even with tons of work but I do believe Thibs will do wonders for Wiggy on the defensive side of the ball. But yeah after Giannis KAT is by far my favorite young guy to watch.

[Tukkerwolf]

It was a homer take. He has no idea how good Towns vision is.

And you very clearly have no idea how good Jokic's vision is. I should have known posting that article in here was a bad idea.

let's put this way: This year Jokic seems a better passer than Towns (if you don't like advance stats the raw stats should be enough: 189 assist vs 161 assist despite less touch and minutes).
Maybe next year Towns will be an elite big man in that category but I personally doubt about it, simply because he has too much offensive burden to carry...

And to be fair, that was not a homer take, Towns is the raising star and he will dominate the NBA one day but that doesn't mean that Towns is better than Jokic (or other young big-man) in every aspect of the game...

I dont want to get involved in the discussion as I dont really care, but stating that Jokic has way more assists is completely different than stating he has way beter court vision. Unless by court vision you mean the number of assists one gets....