76ers back to fining Ben Simmons

[Tomjas]

Question to you and anyone who feels Morey should be fired: do you think any of the packages he could've gotten would improved the team enough to be a legitimate contender? Because if not, then he'd still be wasting Embiid's prime. I just don't see Brogdon or McCollum + picks elevating the sixers to contender status. Morey has no obligation to trade Simmons if it wont improve the team.

As far as the implications of this situation, I think it will be one of the major catalysts towards changes to the next CBA.

I think the combination of Morey demanding top dollar, waiting 4+ months while he demands out, and the Sixers underperforming all have driven Simmons value down.

Yes, Embiid's prime has been wasted. The guy has missed 30%+ regular season games in his career. He is brittle, those are the facts. To force him to play such big minutes with 33M of their cap space sitting at home will come back to bite them in the ass.

If Embiid continues to play this well and the Sixers are a 1st round exit, you better believe this is going to piss Embiid off, regardless of how many times him and Morey played tennis in the offseason.

As the deadling approaches and the Sixers become more desperate to salvage their season, Simmons value will drop even further.

You are right, Morey has no obligation to trade Simmons, but to sit by and watch 33M of cap space go down the drain is criminal esp considering the Sixers are barely over .500. I would understand if his team was one of the top teams in the league but that's not the case. Curry/Maxey are playing out of their minds and Embiid is having one of his best seasons yet and they have dropped from a convincing 1st overall seed in the East to just an average team.

You don’t reward malcontents and let Simmons and klutch get their way.

Sixers with a healthy embiid are much better than their 16-15 record. Everyone knows it. They were 8-2 (7-2 with embiid) before he went out for 9 games (went 2-7)

So withput playing embiid sixers are 3-8 this season. Meaning sixers are 13-7 with embiid in the lineup which is usually good for 3rd seed in the east

Sixers were a fake 1 seed last season the reality is if 82 games were played. Sixers likely end up a 3rd seed anyways.

So get it?

With healthy embiid. Sixers are a 3 maybe 4 seed seed.

With Simmons. Sixers still end up a 3-4 seed

So what’s the difference trading Simmons for spare parts and rewarding Simmons camp for forcing a trade with a 4 year super max contract guarantee?

Jokic is having a great season and he’s gonna to be a first or second round exit as well with no Murray. U think adding junk Minnesota is offering or ho hum brodgon to Denver lineup or hield barnes to Denver lineup gonna to get Jokic out of the first or second round? Nope

That’s Morey thinking.

lol

The team is significantly worse and even worse, plays an antiquated & boring style of basketball

Embiid misses a heap of games every year so that’s no excuse

The Sixers simply won’t be any good until they get value for Simmons & something for Tobias

[sfballa13]

Question to you and anyone who feels Morey should be fired: do you think any of the packages he could've gotten would improved the team enough to be a legitimate contender? Because if not, then he'd still be wasting Embiid's prime. I just don't see Brogdon or McCollum + picks elevating the sixers to contender status. Morey has no obligation to trade Simmons if it wont improve the team.

As far as the implications of this situation, I think it will be one of the major catalysts towards changes to the next CBA.

I think the combination of Morey demanding top dollar, waiting 4+ months while he demands out, and the Sixers underperforming all have driven Simmons value down.

Yes, Embiid's prime has been wasted. The guy has missed 30%+ regular season games in his career. He is brittle, those are the facts. To force him to play such big minutes with 33M of their cap space sitting at home will come back to bite them in the ass.

If Embiid continues to play this well and the Sixers are a 1st round exit, you better believe this is going to piss Embiid off, regardless of how many times him and Morey played tennis in the offseason.

As the deadling approaches and the Sixers become more desperate to salvage their season, Simmons value will drop even further.

You are right, Morey has no obligation to trade Simmons, but to sit by and watch 33M of cap space go down the drain is criminal esp considering the Sixers are barely over .500. I would understand if his team was one of the top teams in the league but that's not the case. Curry/Maxey are playing out of their minds and Embiid is having one of his best seasons yet and they have dropped from a convincing 1st overall seed in the East to just an average team.

You don’t reward malcontents and let Simmons and klutch get their way.

Sixers with a healthy embiid are much better than their 16-15 record. Everyone knows it. They were 8-2 (7-2 with embiid) before he went out for 9 games (went 2-7)

So withput playing embiid sixers are 3-8 this season. Meaning sixers are 13-7 with embiid in the lineup which is usually good for 3rd seed in the east

Sixers were a fake 1 seed last season the reality is if 82 games were played. Sixers likely end up a 3rd seed anyways.

So get it?

With healthy embiid. Sixers are a 3 maybe 4 seed seed.

With Simmons. Sixers still end up a 3-4 seed

So what’s the difference trading Simmons for spare parts and rewarding Simmons camp for forcing a trade with a 4 year super max contract guarantee?

Jokic is having a great season and he’s gonna to be a first or second round exit as well with no Murray. U think adding junk Minnesota is offering or ho hum brodgon to Denver lineup or hield barnes to Denver lineup gonna to get Jokic out of the first or second round? Nope

That’s Morey thinking.

Look I get the Sixers are your team and if it was my team I would be frustrated as well.

But I'd be more upset about my brittle big man forced to play more minutes because my egotistical sub-par GM refuses to trade Simmons.

Morey has accomplished nothing. None of his teams have won an NBA championship or reached the NBA Finals. Zero.

Look at Joe Dumars for example. 6 straight ECF appearances, back to back Finals appearances, and was 1 game 7 away from back to back titles. Since then he doesnt have a job, not even a job offer.

I fail to understand what is so special about this guy and if I were a Sixers fan Id want him fired.

The longer he sits on Simmons the worse the offers will be.

Morey is such a dick and GMs really dont want to deal with him and his BS, couple that with the fact Simmons has been asking out for 4+ months - his value is never going to get better

If the Sixers somehow end up NOT trading Simmons his value will be peanuts in the offseason esp if they have an early exit.

Said it before, ill say it again, only people losing here are the Sixers players

[DusterBuster]

With COVID going nuts right now, I could see this ending up a quiet trade season where everyone just kinda punts til the summer.

[kuclas]

I think the combination of Morey demanding top dollar, waiting 4+ months while he demands out, and the Sixers underperforming all have driven Simmons value down.

Yes, Embiid's prime has been wasted. The guy has missed 30%+ regular season games in his career. He is brittle, those are the facts. To force him to play such big minutes with 33M of their cap space sitting at home will come back to bite them in the ass.

If Embiid continues to play this well and the Sixers are a 1st round exit, you better believe this is going to piss Embiid off, regardless of how many times him and Morey played tennis in the offseason.

As the deadling approaches and the Sixers become more desperate to salvage their season, Simmons value will drop even further.

You are right, Morey has no obligation to trade Simmons, but to sit by and watch 33M of cap space go down the drain is criminal esp considering the Sixers are barely over .500. I would understand if his team was one of the top teams in the league but that's not the case. Curry/Maxey are playing out of their minds and Embiid is having one of his best seasons yet and they have dropped from a convincing 1st overall seed in the East to just an average team.

You don’t reward malcontents and let Simmons and klutch get their way.

Sixers with a healthy embiid are much better than their 16-15 record. Everyone knows it. They were 8-2 (7-2 with embiid) before he went out for 9 games (went 2-7)

So withput playing embiid sixers are 3-8 this season. Meaning sixers are 13-7 with embiid in the lineup which is usually good for 3rd seed in the east

Sixers were a fake 1 seed last season the reality is if 82 games were played. Sixers likely end up a 3rd seed anyways.

So get it?

With healthy embiid. Sixers are a 3 maybe 4 seed seed.

With Simmons. Sixers still end up a 3-4 seed

So what’s the difference trading Simmons for spare parts and rewarding Simmons camp for forcing a trade with a 4 year super max contract guarantee?

Jokic is having a great season and he’s gonna to be a first or second round exit as well with no Murray. U think adding junk Minnesota is offering or ho hum brodgon to Denver lineup or hield barnes to Denver lineup gonna to get Jokic out of the first or second round? Nope

That’s Morey thinking.

Look I get the Sixers are your team and if it was my team I would be frustrated as well.

But I'd be more upset about my brittle big man forced to play more minutes because my egotistical sub-par GM refuses to trade Simmons.

Morey has accomplished nothing. None of his teams have won an NBA championship or reached the NBA Finals. Zero.

Look at Joe Dumars for example. 6 straight ECF appearances, back to back Finals appearances, and was 1 game 7 away from back to back titles. Since then he doesnt have a job, not even a job offer.

I fail to understand what is so special about this guy and if I were a Sixers fan Id want him fired.

The longer he sits on Simmons the worse the offers will be.

Morey is such a dick and GMs really dont want to deal with him and his BS, couple that with the fact Simmons has been asking out for 4+ months - his value is never going to get better

If the Sixers somehow end up NOT trading Simmons his value will be peanuts in the offseason esp if they have an early exit.

Said it before, ill say it again, only people losing here are the Sixers players

Hield barnes/Minnesota junk simply don’t move the needle.

Why do the trade. D Murray of spurs is horrible shooter (good defender). Spurs will need to add a lot more to the deal.

Why rush to trade a player under contract for 3.5 seaosn

Other players get traded for 20-30 cents on the dollar cause their team wants to start tanking (Houston trading James harden) and or less than 2 years on contract like Pg or aD (expiring deals)

So sixers are not tanking/rebuilding. Simmons is under long term contract. Why trade Simmons? He can sit and keep losing money (he’s lost 7 million so far). Only so much of the mental illness games he can play.

He spends far too much money and will be broke if he wants to continue sitting at home.

You are dealing with contract law here. Can’t cave into these players. Most sixers fans support Morey and the owners stance on Simmons.

[bebopdeluxe]

60% chance? Nah, that's way too high, imo. In fact, I don't think that something like that is likely at all. I'd put those chances below 5-10% which means that Philly is basically waiting on a miracle. Not a smart move, imo, but it's their franchise so they can do what they want with it



Fair enough, we can agree to disagree.

I think to be fully honest, there's a 25% chance at the very least that Harden is on the market this off season for whatever it's worth. And if Irving is back to playing next year. Harden for Simmons + actually puts the nets in a great spot to win now.

We've seen Leonard move, Harden move, PG move all in a pretty short time. Oh AD moved as well. That's a lot of people in the past few years to use a number as low as 10%. History says there's an above 50% chance here.

Yeah, not seeing any of it, to be honest. The players you mentioned have all gotten their wishes. PG and Kawhi went to play in LA, like they wanted. Kyrie and KD got to team up, like they wanted.

Could Harden bail? It's possible, I guess, but why would he leave KD to go play in Philly?

The easy answer is Daryl Morey. They have a pretty good relationship. The other is Embiid - Harden has been a fan ever since that first nationally-televised game in Embiid's rookie season (this was the day after Embiid was snubbed for the All-Star Game):

"He's a problem," Harden said. "Big, athletic, can shoot the 3. He has an extremely bright future as you can see."

"Offensively, he's just skilled, man," Harden said in his postgame interview on ESPN. "He's probably the most skilled big man we have in this league, man. Shooting the 3 at a high level, 7-2, finishing about the basket, making plays for his teammates. And then defensively, he blocked my shot. He's everywhere, man. He has a bright future and Philly has got something special here."

Harden is smart enough to know how he and Embiid can unlock each other's games - even more than Harden can with KD.

[Tacoma]

This is why Morey is waiting. There's at least a 60% chance of this happening in the near future (before the allstar break for the 22 season). And Morey has clearly got the full support if not demand from ownership to take nothing less until then. It's the smart play here even if it doesn't work.

60% chance? Nah, that's way too high, imo. In fact, I don't think that something like that is likely at all. I'd put those chances below 5-10% which means that Philly is basically waiting on a miracle. Not a smart move, imo, but it's their franchise so they can do what they want with it

And I'm just too low on Harris for the 76ers to have a chance even with injuries to others to win without someone at least as good as him and I've not seen that either.

Fair enough, we can agree to disagree.

I think to be fully honest, there's a 25% chance at the very least that Harden is on the market this off season for whatever it's worth. And if Irving is back to playing next year. Harden for Simmons + actually puts the nets in a great spot to win now.

We've seen Leonard move, Harden move, PG move all in a pretty short time. Oh AD moved as well. That's a lot of people in the past few years to use a number as low as 10%. History says there's an above 50% chance here.

Once again, if Harden (or another star such as Lillard) is on the market, there will be lots of bidders for his services and it is very highly likely that another team will be able to beat an offer by Morey where Simmons is the key guy coming back.

While your dream scenario of a Harden-Simmons as key players in a trade is theoretically possible, it is very unlikely to happen.

[Dennis Reynolds]

Feels like off court drama is the only thing that's keeping Simmons relevant these days so are there any real news or is he about to become an afterthought?

[Tacoma]

You don’t reward malcontents and let Simmons and klutch get their way.
...

So get it?

With healthy embiid. Sixers are a 3 maybe 4 seed seed.

With Simmons. Sixers still end up a 3-4 seed

So what’s the difference trading Simmons for spare parts and rewarding Simmons camp for forcing a trade with a 4 year super max contract guarantee?

...That’s Morey thinking.

So... Simmons is a malcontent and the Sixers are a 3-4 seed with or without Simmons, hence he's NOT a difference maker.

But despite this, Morey thinks he can get a big star or little star plus picks for Simmons. What is Morey thinking? You're not exactly supporting his case.

[QingJames]

You don’t reward malcontents and let Simmons and klutch get their way.

Sixers with a healthy embiid are much better than their 16-15 record. Everyone knows it. They were 8-2 (7-2 with embiid) before he went out for 9 games (went 2-7)

So withput playing embiid sixers are 3-8 this season. Meaning sixers are 13-7 with embiid in the lineup which is usually good for 3rd seed in the east

Sixers were a fake 1 seed last season the reality is if 82 games were played. Sixers likely end up a 3rd seed anyways.

So get it?

With healthy embiid. Sixers are a 3 maybe 4 seed seed.

With Simmons. Sixers still end up a 3-4 seed

So what’s the difference trading Simmons for spare parts and rewarding Simmons camp for forcing a trade with a 4 year super max contract guarantee?

Jokic is having a great season and he’s gonna to be a first or second round exit as well with no Murray. U think adding junk Minnesota is offering or ho hum brodgon to Denver lineup or hield barnes to Denver lineup gonna to get Jokic out of the first or second round? Nope

That’s Morey thinking.

Look I get the Sixers are your team and if it was my team I would be frustrated as well.

But I'd be more upset about my brittle big man forced to play more minutes because my egotistical sub-par GM refuses to trade Simmons.

Morey has accomplished nothing. None of his teams have won an NBA championship or reached the NBA Finals. Zero.

Look at Joe Dumars for example. 6 straight ECF appearances, back to back Finals appearances, and was 1 game 7 away from back to back titles. Since then he doesnt have a job, not even a job offer.

I fail to understand what is so special about this guy and if I were a Sixers fan Id want him fired.

The longer he sits on Simmons the worse the offers will be.

Morey is such a dick and GMs really dont want to deal with him and his BS, couple that with the fact Simmons has been asking out for 4+ months - his value is never going to get better

If the Sixers somehow end up NOT trading Simmons his value will be peanuts in the offseason esp if they have an early exit.

Said it before, ill say it again, only people losing here are the Sixers players

Hield barnes/Minnesota junk simply don’t move the needle.

Why do the trade. D Murray of spurs is horrible shooter (good defender). Spurs will need to add a lot more to the deal.

Why rush to trade a player under contract for 3.5 seaosn

Other players get traded for 20-30 cents on the dollar cause their team wants to start tanking (Houston trading James harden) and or less than 2 years on contract like Pg or aD (expiring deals)

So sixers are not tanking/rebuilding. Simmons is under long term contract. Why trade Simmons? He can sit and keep losing money (he’s lost 7 million so far). Only so much of the mental illness games he can play.

He spends far too much money and will be broke if he wants to continue sitting at home.

You are dealing with contract law here. Can’t cave into these players. Most sixers fans support Morey and the owners stance on Simmons.

Sixers have to add picks if they want Dejounte Murray. He's a much better player than Simmons at this point. Simmons has never had a year as good as Murray is now - Morey should have taken the Murray + White + picks offer in the offseason. Another blown opportunity as Ben's value keeps getting lower and lower...

[Duke4life831]

Morey just needs to call the Pels and say, Simmons and a 1st for Ingram. Ingram the last 3 weeks after his hip injury

27/6/6 on 50% shooting (59 TS%)

Throw in a pick swap if you have to. Ingram fits great with Embiid as well because he isnt a ball dominant player. He can play off of Embiid and he can create his own shot with the ball as well. He would be the ideal #2 option to pair with Embiid. Just get the deal done.

[Nate505]

Feels like off court drama is the only thing that's keeping Simmons relevant these days so are there any real news or is he about to become an afterthought?

Probably not.

I mean, he could like actually fulfill his contract, and like be a professional and play (or at least attempt to...if the 6ers sit him that's their call, but at least Simmons would be, gasp, a professional and, gasp, agree to the terms he signed a contract for). Then there might be some real news about him.

But he's an unprofessional assclown, so that won't happen.

[whatisacenter]

Morey just needs to call the Pels and say, Simmons and a 1st for Ingram. Ingram the last 3 weeks after his hip injury

27/6/6 on 50% shooting (59 TS%)

Throw in a pick swap if you have to. Ingram fits great with Embiid as well because he isnt a ball dominant player. He can play off of Embiid and he can create his own shot with the ball as well. He would be the ideal #2 option to pair with Embiid. Just get the deal done.

great trade for philly but why would NO do it?

[dhsilv2]

60% chance? Nah, that's way too high, imo. In fact, I don't think that something like that is likely at all. I'd put those chances below 5-10% which means that Philly is basically waiting on a miracle. Not a smart move, imo, but it's their franchise so they can do what they want with it



Fair enough, we can agree to disagree.

I think to be fully honest, there's a 25% chance at the very least that Harden is on the market this off season for whatever it's worth. And if Irving is back to playing next year. Harden for Simmons + actually puts the nets in a great spot to win now.

We've seen Leonard move, Harden move, PG move all in a pretty short time. Oh AD moved as well. That's a lot of people in the past few years to use a number as low as 10%. History says there's an above 50% chance here.

Once again, if Harden (or another star such as Lillard) is on the market, there will be lots of bidders for his services and it is very highly likely that another team will be able to beat an offer by Morey where Simmons is the key guy coming back.

While your dream scenario of a Harden-Simmons as key players in a trade is theoretically possible, it is very unlikely to happen.

Historically Simmons is a better in and of himself than anyone gets for these types of players...unless a team only wants picks like OKC and brooklyn certainly wouldn't do that. Also Harden would have complete control there. He gets to pick where he plays next year, the nets have really no say.

[kuclas]

Look I get the Sixers are your team and if it was my team I would be frustrated as well.

But I'd be more upset about my brittle big man forced to play more minutes because my egotistical sub-par GM refuses to trade Simmons.

Morey has accomplished nothing. None of his teams have won an NBA championship or reached the NBA Finals. Zero.

Look at Joe Dumars for example. 6 straight ECF appearances, back to back Finals appearances, and was 1 game 7 away from back to back titles. Since then he doesnt have a job, not even a job offer.

I fail to understand what is so special about this guy and if I were a Sixers fan Id want him fired.

The longer he sits on Simmons the worse the offers will be.

Morey is such a dick and GMs really dont want to deal with him and his BS, couple that with the fact Simmons has been asking out for 4+ months - his value is never going to get better

If the Sixers somehow end up NOT trading Simmons his value will be peanuts in the offseason esp if they have an early exit.

Said it before, ill say it again, only people losing here are the Sixers players

Hield barnes/Minnesota junk simply don’t move the needle.

Why do the trade. D Murray of spurs is horrible shooter (good defender). Spurs will need to add a lot more to the deal.

Why rush to trade a player under contract for 3.5 seaosn

Other players get traded for 20-30 cents on the dollar cause their team wants to start tanking (Houston trading James harden) and or less than 2 years on contract like Pg or aD (expiring deals)

So sixers are not tanking/rebuilding. Simmons is under long term contract. Why trade Simmons? He can sit and keep losing money (he’s lost 7 million so far). Only so much of the mental illness games he can play.

He spends far too much money and will be broke if he wants to continue sitting at home.

You are dealing with contract law here. Can’t cave into these players. Most sixers fans support Morey and the owners stance on Simmons.

Sixers have to add picks if they want Dejounte Murray. He's a much better player than Simmons at this point. Simmons has never had a year as good as Murray is now - Morey should have taken the Murray + White + picks offer in the offseason. Another blown opportunity as Ben's value keeps getting lower and lower...

Sorry. Murray isn’t that good. He’s just taking more shots. 17 shots to get 18 points And spurs aren’t exactly high in the nba win/lost column.

This is what people get when they stat hunt seeing Murray 18/8/8

Simmons does 17/8/8 and takes 10/11 shots a game and plays better defense and contributes to winning

If Simmons takes 18-19 shots a game. He’s at 24/8/8 easy.

[kuclas]

You don’t reward malcontents and let Simmons and klutch get their way.
...

So get it?

With healthy embiid. Sixers are a 3 maybe 4 seed seed.

With Simmons. Sixers still end up a 3-4 seed

So what’s the difference trading Simmons for spare parts and rewarding Simmons camp for forcing a trade with a 4 year super max contract guarantee?

...That’s Morey thinking.

So... Simmons is a malcontent and the Sixers are a 3-4 seed with or without Simmons, hence he's NOT a difference maker.

But despite this, Morey thinks he can get a big star or little star plus picks for Simmons. What is Morey thinking? You're not exactly supporting his case.

Simmons keeps sixers afloat when embiid is out. They were 7-3 with Simmons last season when embiid went out with knee injury.

Simmons is really good in regular season and he’s really good in first round of playoffs. Sometime guys like fox can’t sniff. And guys like Dlo of the wolves got totally exposed in first round of playoffs when he was with the nets.

So you have to take into context regular season first round and second round playoffs performances with Simmons.

[QingJames]

Hield barnes/Minnesota junk simply don’t move the needle.

Why do the trade. D Murray of spurs is horrible shooter (good defender). Spurs will need to add a lot more to the deal.

Why rush to trade a player under contract for 3.5 seaosn

Other players get traded for 20-30 cents on the dollar cause their team wants to start tanking (Houston trading James harden) and or less than 2 years on contract like Pg or aD (expiring deals)

So sixers are not tanking/rebuilding. Simmons is under long term contract. Why trade Simmons? He can sit and keep losing money (he’s lost 7 million so far). Only so much of the mental illness games he can play.

He spends far too much money and will be broke if he wants to continue sitting at home.

You are dealing with contract law here. Can’t cave into these players. Most sixers fans support Morey and the owners stance on Simmons.

Sixers have to add picks if they want Dejounte Murray. He's a much better player than Simmons at this point. Simmons has never had a year as good as Murray is now - Morey should have taken the Murray + White + picks offer in the offseason. Another blown opportunity as Ben's value keeps getting lower and lower...

Sorry. Murray isn’t that good. He’s just taking more shots. 17 shots to get 18 points And spurs aren’t exactly high in the nba win/lost column.

This is what people get when they stat hunt seeing Murray 18/8/8

Simmons does 17/8/8 and takes 10/11 shots a game and plays better defense and contributes to winning

If Simmons takes 18-19 shots a game. He’s at 24/8/8 easy.

He's basically on the same level as Simmons ever has been offensively right now. You saying "if Simmons took 18-19 shots a game" is laughable because we all know he's too scared to take that many. Simmons is a better defender but Murray is no slouch on that end. The most important part? Murray is actually improving, continually. Simmons, as we all know, has never improved since his first year. Murray's at least as good as Simmons ever has been right now and by next season it won't be close; Murray will be head and shoulders above Simmons.

[michaelm]

Morey just needs to call the Pels and say, Simmons and a 1st for Ingram. Ingram the last 3 weeks after his hip injury

27/6/6 on 50% shooting (59 TS%)

Throw in a pick swap if you have to. Ingram fits great with Embiid as well because he isnt a ball dominant player. He can play off of Embiid and he can create his own shot with the ball as well. He would be the ideal #2 option to pair with Embiid. Just get the deal done.

Why do the Pelicans trade Ingram ?.

[michaelm]

I think to be fully honest, there's a 25% chance at the very least that Harden is on the market this off season for whatever it's worth. And if Irving is back to playing next year. Harden for Simmons + actually puts the nets in a great spot to win now.

We've seen Leonard move, Harden move, PG move all in a pretty short time. Oh AD moved as well. That's a lot of people in the past few years to use a number as low as 10%. History says there's an above 50% chance here.

Once again, if Harden (or another star such as Lillard) is on the market, there will be lots of bidders for his services and it is very highly likely that another team will be able to beat an offer by Morey where Simmons is the key guy coming back.

While your dream scenario of a Harden-Simmons as key players in a trade is theoretically possible, it is very unlikely to happen.

Historically Simmons is a better in and of himself than anyone gets for these types of players...unless a team only wants picks like OKC and brooklyn certainly wouldn't do that. Also Harden would have complete control there. He gets to pick where he plays next year, the nets have really no say.

What is Harden’s status next season ?.

I agree the Sixers’ owners who supported “The Process” are bloody minded enough to not let Simmons ‘win’ on principle. I suspect the stance on Simmons/Klutch is not unpopular with the fanbase, probably part of the reason he wants to leave. Harden for Simmons might well make sense for both parties, and maybe Morey does have an inside run at Harden, although if the Nets win it all why does Harden leave ?.

I don’t see much otherwise. What disgruntled stars are there on contenders ?, and what contenders are there who are prepared to overlook Simmons’ baggage and possible general disapproval from the owners’ group ?. Otherwise teams with a departing superstar are likely looking at a rebuild, and would be choosing to rebuild around Simmons on his current contract.

[kuclas]

Sixers have to add picks if they want Dejounte Murray. He's a much better player than Simmons at this point. Simmons has never had a year as good as Murray is now - Morey should have taken the Murray + White + picks offer in the offseason. Another blown opportunity as Ben's value keeps getting lower and lower...

Sorry. Murray isn’t that good. He’s just taking more shots. 17 shots to get 18 points And spurs aren’t exactly high in the nba win/lost column.

This is what people get when they stat hunt seeing Murray 18/8/8

Simmons does 17/8/8 and takes 10/11 shots a game and plays better defense and contributes to winning

If Simmons takes 18-19 shots a game. He’s at 24/8/8 easy.

He's basically on the same level as Simmons ever has been offensively right now. You saying "if Simmons took 18-19 shots a game" is laughable because we all know he's too scared to take that many. Simmons is a better defender but Murray is no slouch on that end. The most important part? Murray is actually improving, continually. Simmons, as we all know, has never improved since his first year. Murray's at least as good as Simmons ever has been right now and by next season it won't be close; Murray will be head and shoulders above Simmons.

Yeah right.

Simmons is 1-4 all world defender. Murray doesn’t guard 1-4

Murray usage rate is way up.

There is a reason pop wants Simmons. It’s cause Murray isn’t gonna to win a lot of games for pop.

Look at the games Simmons plays without embiid. His scoring is way up as well simply because he becomes the 2nd option (rather than 3/4th option). It’s that simple.

People will always have this image of Simmons in playoffs second round mental breakdown.

Let’s see Murray in a playoffs and how he handles the pressure. It’s gonna to be a long time unless you get a better team around Murray. And Murray won’t be the number 1 option.

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Hield barnes/Minnesota junk simply don’t move the needle.

Why do the trade. D Murray of spurs is horrible shooter (good defender). Spurs will need to add a lot more to the deal.

Why rush to trade a player under contract for 3.5 seaosn

Other players get traded for 20-30 cents on the dollar cause their team wants to start tanking (Houston trading James harden) and or less than 2 years on contract like Pg or aD (expiring deals)

So sixers are not tanking/rebuilding. Simmons is under long term contract. Why trade Simmons? He can sit and keep losing money (he’s lost 7 million so far). Only so much of the mental illness games he can play.

He spends far too much money and will be broke if he wants to continue sitting at home.

You are dealing with contract law here. Can’t cave into these players. Most sixers fans support Morey and the owners stance on Simmons.

Sixers have to add picks if they want Dejounte Murray. He's a much better player than Simmons at this point. Simmons has never had a year as good as Murray is now - Morey should have taken the Murray + White + picks offer in the offseason. Another blown opportunity as Ben's value keeps getting lower and lower...

Sorry. Murray isn’t that good. He’s just taking more shots. 17 shots to get 18 points And spurs aren’t exactly high in the nba win/lost column.

This is what people get when they stat hunt seeing Murray 18/8/8

Simmons does 17/8/8 and takes 10/11 shots a game and plays better defense and contributes to winning

If Simmons takes 18-19 shots a game. He’s at 24/8/8 easy.

Simmons is taking 0 shots per game and scoring 0 pts per game this year.

Somehow he isnt even getting any rebounds or assists.

But good for Morey for standing his ground! What an amazing GM! 4D Chess!