2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt. 1)

[SeniorWalker]

Someone may want to tell Giannis that he could win his third MVP this year if he cares even slightly, the race is wide open.

The thing is, I suspect after 2020 and the Bucks winning the title last year, all he cares about now is winning rings. And, thats great for sure. He doesn't appear to go all out every regular season game like he used to prior to the 2020 bubble. I honestly think he uses the regular season as a series of tune ups now. The Bucks lose to teams they shouldn't and it doesn't seem like a big deal to him.


Jokic and Embiid have a lot more to prove. Biid may even feel that the MVP was stolen from him by unfortunate circumstances last year. These two should be fighting the hardest down the stretch.

[AussieBuck]

Someone may want to tell Giannis that he could win his third MVP this year if he cares even slightly, the race is wide open.

The thing is, I suspect after 2020 and the Bucks winning the title last year, all he cares about now is winning rings. And, thats great for sure. He doesn't appear to go all out every regular season game like he used to prior to the 2020 bubble. I honestly think he uses the regular season as a series of tune ups now. The Bucks lose to teams they shouldn't and it doesn't seem like a big deal to him.


Jokic and Embiid have a lot more to prove. Biid may even feel that the MVP was stolen from him by unfortunate circumstances last year. These two should be fighting the hardest down the stretch.

Bucks are legit **** most of the time against teams they think they can just turn up to beat. Giannis is still trying in these games but on offense he's generally trying out all sorts of low % iso stuff that tends to set a bad tone for the rest of the team. Khris sleeps through a lot of these games too. Maybe it'll improve when we get Jrue on court a bit more to get things going. We also really need to stop **** around and get a third big guy into the rotation. Pat Conaughton isn't cutting it as third big.

[schnakenpopanz]

Suns could go 82-0 and still no one would consider anyone from the roster a top 5 mvp candidate.
But you all and the media didn't want it any other way

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[Kurtz]

Suns could go 82-0 and still no one would consider anyone from the roster a top 5 mvp candidate.
But you all and the media didn't want it any other way

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Most valuable player award - not best record award.

However, Monty would win coach of the year in a sweep. I'm sure he's the leading candidate for that award currently.

[SeniorWalker]

Suns could go 82-0 and still no one would consider anyone from the roster a top 5 mvp candidate.
But you all and the media didn't want it any other way

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I'll be honest, I too think this is a bit unfair. Same thing with the Jazz the last two years. But there's no dominant player on either roster. Gobert is a defensive stud in the regular season but many have soured on him and he doesn't really offer any narrative or glamor in his game. When's the last time you saw an MVP like that in the modern NBA?

But if you could give a Suns player the MVP who would it be? (Please answer, I don't know myself) That's kind of the problem I think.

Maybe if they had a clear separation at the top, someone would get it?

[AussieBuck]

Could have sworn there was another post here about Embiid not needing overtime to beat the nobody Clippers. Anyone want to confess anything?

[Statlanta]

40 13 and 6 on 60% FG from the best big in the East.

[Hussien Fatal]

Embiid and the Sixers with a horrible loss to the clippers despite Joel scoring 40 points. Morey is running his great season into the ground.

[eyeatoma]

Could have sworn there was another post here about Embiid not needing overtime to beat the nobody Clippers. Anyone want to confess anything?

Hussein forgot to account that we're the best team in the league at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Sixers have a doctorate in epic collapses.

[Hussien Fatal]

Could have sworn there was another post here about Embiid not needing overtime to beat the nobody Clippers. Anyone want to confess anything?

Worst loss on the season but he still had 40 and 13 with 6 assist which brings his record to 23-11 this season. But that’s 90 points in two games for the best big in the league.

[eyeatoma]

:cry:

Could have sworn there was another post here about Embiid not needing overtime to beat the nobody Clippers. Anyone want to confess anything?

Worst loss on the season but he still had 40 and 13 with 6 assist which brings his record to 23-11 this season. But that’s 90 points in two games for the best big in the league.

Bro, just let it go at this point. They're not going to be convinced. You and I both know the truth. Especially after a bad loss, when Jo wasn't great in the 3rd.

[Bobbcats]

Suns could go 82-0 and still no one would consider anyone from the roster a top 5 mvp candidate.
But you all and the media didn't want it any other way

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If the Suns would go 82-0 one of their players would almost certainly have the stats to be in the conversation. The problem with the Suns is the player most people think is their best player spends most of the game doing nothing on the stats sheet, and the player whose stats could potentially get high enough to get MVP for "best player on best team" (like Derrick Rose's MVP) by the end of the season doesn't get the "best player on the team" label from lots of people.

[Ballerhogger]

Gianni’s big winner of tonight 30 points in a win against the bulls .

[AussieBuck]

Gianni’s big winner of tonight 30 points in a win against the bulls .

Shaping up to be a terrible day if you're not Giannis or Ja.

[Ballerhogger]

Gianni’s big winner of tonight 30 points in a win against the bulls .

Shaping up to be a terrible day if you're not Giannis or Ja.

Yup

[eminence]

Suns could go 82-0 and still no one would consider anyone from the roster a top 5 mvp candidate.
But you all and the media didn't want it any other way

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I'll be honest, I too think this is a bit unfair. Same thing with the Jazz the last two years. But there's no dominant player on either roster. Gobert is a defensive stud in the regular season but many have soured on him and he doesn't really offer any narrative or glamor in his game. When's the last time you saw an MVP like that in the modern NBA?

But if you could give a Suns player the MVP who would it be? (Please answer, I don't know myself) That's kind of the problem I think.

Maybe if they had a clear separation at the top, someone would get it?

CP3 would be my pick for the Suns this season.

[Dutchball97]

Embiid's performance against the Clippers was great and definitely not the reason they lost but let this be an eye opener for the ones who keep talking down on Jokic because his team is struggling. You can't do everything on your own and wins and losses aren't indicative of an individual's performance. I get Embiid is on the 76ers so 76er fans are going to overrate him but that is still possible without making up narratives that somehow apply to everyone but Embiid.

[kuclas]

Embiid's performance against the Clippers was great and definitely not the reason they lost but let this be an eye opener for the ones who keep talking down on Jokic because his team is struggling. You can't do everything on your own and wins and losses aren't indicative of an individual's performance. I get Embiid is on the 76ers so 76er fans are going to overrate him but that is still possible without making up narratives that somehow apply to everyone but Embiid.

Most real sixers fans including me do not tear down Jokic. He’s like fine wine. I’ve learn learn to appreciate Jokic. I think he’s amazing. I for one. Think Jokic defense has gotten better. Defense is all about effort. Reading game film and tendencies. Sure Jokic is slow foot. But he’s a student of the game. So he’s gotten better. He’s not gonna to chase down blocks a lot but he doesn’t have to.

Someone like KAT who has all the foot speed in the world. Has been clueless on defense for years. He finally is playing better defense this year.

Saying that. Embiid is playing at an amazing level especially on the offensive player end. He’s not too clumsy trying to back down opponents taking 12-15 seconds to make a move. He’s much more assertive and quicker with the moves and his reads.

Last night horrible lost just a matter of sixers injuries piling up on them. They literally have been paying without 3-4 guys almost every night for a very long time since their hot 8-2 start. First it was 3 different time periods waves of Covid hitting the team with 3-4 guys out over a 2 month period. Now dealing with standard long season injuries.

Clippers went to zone after falling behind 24. Sixers have zero outside shooting with all their guys out including curry.

They have no perimeter defense with no
Thybulle and green out the last 2 weeks. I’m not even including Simmons perimeter defense. No bench scoring with shake Milton hurt half the season.

Embiid is just carrying the team. But they will linger in 5-6 slot for a while unless they get healthy.

[BelgradeNugget]

Could have sworn there was another post here about Embiid not needing overtime to beat the nobody Clippers. Anyone want to confess anything?

Hussein forgot to account that we're the best team in the league at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Sixers have a doctorate in epic collapses.

Nuggets lost to Clippers 10 days ago after leading 25 in the third same ****

[scrabbarista]

Jokic played nearly a perfect game last night, but DEN lost by four, with all four bench players having double-digit negative plus-minuses.

How well did Jokic play? So well that his league-leading WS/48 went up in a loss! And so did his all-time-record PER and BPM! He had an uber-efficient triple double (.751 TS%; 12 assists, no turnovers) in 40 minutes. This was one game after he scored or assisted on 25 of DEN's last 27 in an overtime victory against LAC. There's a reason people were crying to get him some help in last night's game thread. This team would be #1 pick material if not for Jokic's record-setting season keeping them above .500. He's clearly been the best player so far this season, and virtually all advanced stats attest to this.

The race is far from over - it could change in a week - but the only realistic case "against" him right now basically amounts to "his team sucks when he's not on the floor." He should be the clear leader right now.